New hire experiences

[JustHappyToBeHere]

Hey there, interested in hearing recent(ish) hires experiences. Considering applying and wondering how it has been for new hires. I have read through many of the forums and am hoping to hear some first hand experiences. General experiences, things you wish you knew before applying, goods, bads, etc. I would be commuting and would also gladly take any advice or insight on any aspects of this.

Thanks so much in advance

[7up]

Flying is good, people are nice but commuting sucks.

[AllthatJazz]

It can be a pretty tough start, especially if you’re commuting.

You’ll likely begin on reserve with nothing but short call, so you’re expected to be at base. Not exactly commuter-friendly—and one of the few places still doing it this way. Unfortunately not much improvement in the last contract. At least the union guys got their 90 hours to be at home and paid commutes when they have to go.

Starting pay is generally on the lower end compared to other major airlines also not improved from the last contract, and as a junior commuter you’ll get bumped a fair bit.

To be fair, there are positives. Most of the fleet is modern, training is solid overall, and the vast majority of people are great to fly with. Getting overseas flying early on as a relief pilot can also be a nice perk.

The bigger frustration is reserve life for commuters and a union leadership that doesn’t seem in a rush to bring things in line with where the rest of the industry has gone. This could improve as we enter negotiations next year but we are sending in the same union leadership so I wouldn't count on much change unfortunately.

Anyway, I just keep my head down and focus on the flying. Its pretty good but should be better.

[FL030]

I've found it a bit difficult interacting with the flight attendants sometimes. Maybe I'm too sensitive but negative experiences with people tend to stay with me afterwards. I'm often left wondering what I did to offend them or cause them to act passive-aggressively towards me. Sometimes it feels like walking on eggshells just to try to avoid them getting mad at me.

[yhz41]

They're mad because your union negotiated better meals for you and Boeing put more padding in the bunk mattress at the front. Apparently.

[LR2000]

Got hired in nov 2024, haven’t been here for very long. But everything has been very positive. I live in the GTA and am on the 320, yyz base. I’ve flown with some awesome people, the 320 route structure is kinda dull but there are some exciting places. Still can’t hold a block but I’m senior enough on reserve where I’m usually getting a trip every time.

Training was pretty solid, my only gripe with it is that there are a lot of contract instructors who have loads of experience from the Middle East and sometimes have their own way of doing things, not the “air canada way”. It wasn’t detrimental to me at all but I had to unlearn some things. Other than that, the entire type rating course was awesome.

It’s a really great place if you enjoy working. Best of luck with your decisions!

[yycflyguy]

I've found it a bit difficult interacting with the flight attendants sometimes. Maybe I'm too sensitive but negative experiences with people tend to stay with me afterwards. I'm often left wondering what I did to offend them or cause them to act passive-aggressively towards me. Sometimes it feels like walking on eggshells just to try to avoid them getting mad at me.

Yup. Welcome to the shitshow where respect vanished years ago.

I’d suggest that part of their passive aggressiveness is in part because pilots don’t push back on disrespect and some get off on bullying (especially more junior) pilots. You can be professional and still not accept crap. We do have a workplace policy against bullying, and that is a two way street.

[flyingcanuck]

I've found it a bit difficult interacting with the flight attendants sometimes. Maybe I'm too sensitive but negative experiences with people tend to stay with me afterwards. I'm often left wondering what I did to offend them or cause them to act passive-aggressively towards me. Sometimes it feels like walking on eggshells just to try to avoid them getting mad at me.

Yup. Welcome to the shitshow where respect vanished years ago.

I’d suggest that part of their passive aggressiveness is in part because pilots don’t push back on disrespect and some get off on bullying (especially more junior) pilots. You can be professional and still not accept crap. We do have a workplace policy against bullying, and that is a two way street.

meh, who cares what they think.

[Canadaflyer46]

I've found it a bit difficult interacting with the flight attendants sometimes. Maybe I'm too sensitive but negative experiences with people tend to stay with me afterwards. I'm often left wondering what I did to offend them or cause them to act passive-aggressively towards me. Sometimes it feels like walking on eggshells just to try to avoid them getting mad at me.

Yup. Welcome to the shitshow where respect vanished years ago.

I’d suggest that part of their passive aggressiveness is in part because pilots don’t push back on disrespect and some get off on bullying (especially more junior) pilots. You can be professional and still not accept crap. We do have a workplace policy against bullying, and that is a two way street.

meh, who cares what they think.

Agreed. They’re colleagues not your friends, and will take the first opportunity to report you for anything. Smile, be polite, and leave it at that.

[yycflyguy]

I've found it a bit difficult interacting with the flight attendants sometimes. Maybe I'm too sensitive but negative experiences with people tend to stay with me afterwards. I'm often left wondering what I did to offend them or cause them to act passive-aggressively towards me. Sometimes it feels like walking on eggshells just to try to avoid them getting mad at me.

Yup. Welcome to the shitshow where respect vanished years ago.

I’d suggest that part of their passive aggressiveness is in part because pilots don’t push back on disrespect and some get off on bullying (especially more junior) pilots. You can be professional and still not accept crap. We do have a workplace policy against bullying, and that is a two way street.

meh, who cares what they think.

Exactly my point. Who cares what they think. If they’re being disrespectful call them out on it.

[altiplano]

There are a number of very good SDs and FAs, just as many mediocre/indifferent, and just as many again varying levels of toxic.

Don't get baited, just keep your head up, ignore their bullshit.

[Dry Guy]

In the modern age nobody wants to serve you. Nobody wants to cook or deliver food to strangers. Nobody even wants to pour you a drink, or take your plate away. The modern world has told us this servitude is slavery. Anyone doing this is resentful. They're going to take it out on you eventually one way or another, 100% of the time.

[Stu Pidasso]

I've found it a bit difficult interacting with the flight attendants sometimes. Maybe I'm too sensitive but negative experiences with people tend to stay with me afterwards. I'm often left wondering what I did to offend them or cause them to act passive-aggressively towards me. Sometimes it feels like walking on eggshells just to try to avoid them getting mad at me.

Air Canada has a toxic relationship between FA's and Pilots, 100% unique to this nut house. Partly to blame is the hold over from the crown corporation days, even though there is nobody still working here the culture has continued. Secondly, CUPE is an insane asylum, thirdly as a department In-Flight is way too big for their britches and lastly we live in the "Peoples Republic of Canuckistan" where everyone is equal. AC is a hugely Woke Company, operating after 10 years of the boy Prime Minister who single handedly destroyed the place. Look no further than the tampon machines in the Mens Washrooms.

You are 2nd (or possibly 3rd if you are a RP) In Command of an Airliner, don't take any BS from the service staff. They are a bitter group with nothing but disdain and jealousy for Pilots (with a few exceptions.) Sadly, we have way too many Captains who are scared of their own shadow and don't stand up for their crew.

[Protonpilot]

I've found it a bit difficult interacting with the flight attendants sometimes. Maybe I'm too sensitive but negative experiences with people tend to stay with me afterwards. I'm often left wondering what I did to offend them or cause them to act passive-aggressively towards me. Sometimes it feels like walking on eggshells just to try to avoid them getting mad at me.

Air Canada has a toxic relationship between FA's and Pilots, 100% unique to this nut house. Partly to blame is the hold over from the crown corporation days, even though there is nobody still working here the culture has continued. Secondly, CUPE is an insane asylum, thirdly as a department In-Flight is way too big for their britches and lastly we live in the "Peoples Republic of Canuckistan" where everyone is equal. AC is a hugely Woke Company, operating after 10 years of the boy Prime Minister who single handedly destroyed the place. Look no further than the tampon machines in the Mens Washrooms.

You are 2nd (or possibly 3rd if you are a RP) In Command of an Airliner, don't take any BS from the service staff. They are a bitter group with nothing but disdain and jealousy for Pilots (with a few exceptions.) Sadly, we have way too many Captains who are scared of their own shadow and don't stand up for their crew.

If that's the attitude you have showing up at the airplane to start your day...

Might I suggest decaf?

[TCAS RA]

I've found it a bit difficult interacting with the flight attendants sometimes. Maybe I'm too sensitive but negative experiences with people tend to stay with me afterwards. I'm often left wondering what I did to offend them or cause them to act passive-aggressively towards me. Sometimes it feels like walking on eggshells just to try to avoid them getting mad at me.

Air Canada has a toxic relationship between FA's and Pilots, 100% unique to this nut house. Partly to blame is the hold over from the crown corporation days, even though there is nobody still working here the culture has continued. Secondly, CUPE is an insane asylum, thirdly as a department In-Flight is way too big for their britches and lastly we live in the "Peoples Republic of Canuckistan" where everyone is equal. AC is a hugely Woke Company, operating after 10 years of the boy Prime Minister who single handedly destroyed the place. Look no further than the tampon machines in the Mens Washrooms.

You are 2nd (or possibly 3rd if you are a RP) In Command of an Airliner, don't take any BS from the service staff. They are a bitter group with nothing but disdain and jealousy for Pilots (with a few exceptions.) Sadly, we have way too many Captains who are scared of their own shadow and don't stand up for their crew.

Honestly, people like you (the loud, proud and deranged minority) should just quit if this is the fit you're throwing over it. Better yet, leave the country entirely. But we all know that's never going to happen!

[altiplano]

What did he say that was wrong?

He admitted there are exceptions, but it's generally a backwards culture with deep rooted issues in that department and they have gone after the pilot group and individual pilots multiple times.

They wanted full flight briefings from the pilots with a say and veto on operational decisions, they grieved it even.
They went after and grieved our pay rates.
They grieved the command structure of the crew.
They grieved our DH upgrade priority.
They grieved our pass travel.
They eat your meals if it looks better than what was boarded for them.
They will bait you and write you up.
In their training centre from the beginning they are told you are a letch. They are taught to disrespect you.

Despite all that, there are some good FAs, but the larger department and culture is garbage.

[digits_]

They wanted full flight briefings from the pilots with a say and veto on operational decisions, they grieved it even.

Do you have an example of such briefings and the requested vetos?

They eat your meals if it looks better than what was boarded for them.

I am surprised to learn pilots and cabin crew get different meals? There's no single "crew meal" category? Is there a distinct pilots / cabin meal?

[350driver]

This toxicity between employee groups at AC isn’t even unique to Air Canada. It’s basically a reflection of Canada as a whole.

Here’s a simple example that’ll showcase the deeper systemic issue.

Imagine sitting at a red light in a beat up Ford Pinto. Wife beside you looking fat and rough, obese kid in the back seat, life clearly not going according to plan.

Now imagine a Ferrari pulls up next to you. Guy driving it is relaxed, minding his own business, 10/10 woman in the passenger seat (or dude if you identify that way).

What’s your honest first reaction?

Probably not positive.

Maybe a scoff. Maybe a sarcastic comment. Maybe just resentment sitting quietly in your head while you convince yourself life is unfair.

My favorite reaction is the one who says "I wouldn't give a @#$!" which is such a passive aggressive Canadian comment when ALL they do is give a @#$! deep down inside, but convince themselves they don't, so they don't off themselves. Moving on...

So here’s the question.

Is the Ferrari guy the problem? Or is your reaction to him the problem?

Because if you ask the Pinto guy why his life looks the way it does, you’ll hear every excuse imaginable.

If you ask the Ferrari guy, he’ll tell you the Pinto guy is drowning in excuses and that’s exactly why he’s still sitting there bitter.

That dynamic plays out every single day in Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal at every other traffic light.

Now obviously Canadians love sympathizing with the Pinto guy.

“What if he didn’t have the same opportunities?”
“What if he has disabilities?”
“What if life wasn’t fair to him?”

That’s the default Canadian mindset. Endless justification for why someone isn’t succeeding.

But the part Canadians hate admitting is maybe the Ferrari guy clawed his way out of disaster. Maybe he was staring homelessness in the face at one point and decided he’d never live like that again.

Instead, people automatically hate the guy who has more than them.

That mentality is especially strong in Canada right now because people are watching their quality of life collapse in real time while a minority around them appears to be winning. Savings shrinking, housing exploding, morale dead, and nobody wants to openly say they’re sick of watching their neighborhoods inundated by foreigners and dalilwal dancing turban's.

So what happens?

Someone points out toxicity between departments at AC, which is honestly just a symptom of broader Canadian culture, and immediately the apologetic Canadian responses show up.

“You’re the problem.”
“If you don’t like it, leave.”
“Go fly for Emirates then.”

Sound familiar?

That’s the Canadian attitude in a nutshell. If you point out dysfunction, YOU become the issue. The system itself is apparently never allowed to be criticized. Funny enough, we are such an open society with desire for feedback to improve. RIGHT?!? Wrong. Just at face value. Deep down, we hate feedback.

Now before people twist this into some worship the rich bullshit.

No, not every idiot with a Ferrari and a gold digger is worth admiring. @#$! no. Been there, lived that life, had the fun, and it honestly means less than people think it does.

But here’s reality.

FA’s and pilots are not equal in marketplace value.

That doesn’t mean one group has less human worth. It means the marketplace values different roles differently.

The issue isn’t that FA’s don’t understand that deep down. The issue is a lot of them feel massively underappreciated because they were sold this fantasy that putting on the uniform made them “special.”

Usually a career pursued by people who don't feel special TYPICALLY due to messed up parents, upbringings, experiences, etc. So the concept of the UNIFORM and TRAVEL makes them think this could be THEIR win in their miserable lives.

Then reality hits.

They realize where they actually sit in the hierarchy, and some completely lose their minds over it. Especially when influencers and OnlyFans girls are flying around in Gucci and Birkins while some 50,000 seniority number FA is reusing the same thong because crew scheduling destroyed their month; staring down 25 years of Reserve in YVR.

People are not equal economically. That’s reality. Canadian's are trying to equalize the market place, but the reality is, you can't. Otherwise it's no longer a market.

Human rights wise? Yes, everyone is equal.

But those are two completely different conversations.

Should cabin crew getting J class deadheads be treated like some human rights issue? No.

Should cabin crew be able to bump pilots out of commutes through seniority pass systems? Also no.

Should cabin crew get the first access to hotel rooms instead of the pilots? No.

Yet AC treats a lot of that as perfectly acceptable.

And if you disagree with the system?

Well, according to the Canadian mindset, YOU are now the problem for noticing it.

“How dare you say anything, Stu.”



Thank @#$! I spent 25 years at EK, came back, grabbed the 12 month upgrade, and now I’m basically on the way out toward retirement.

Sure, younger guys will celebrate older guys like me leaving the industry.

But here’s the funny part.

I still got the Ferrari.
I still got the 10/10 flight attendant without an HR case.
I am married happily.
My one kid just got into Yale, the other just got scouted to hopefully hit the NHL draft... even if he won't, he has other successes brewing.
My wife is hot (15 years younger)
I've made millions from the disposable cash I've had.
I am leaving AC at 55 just to get my CWIPP and pad my family trust so that my kids have an even better life later
So many more experiences and memories I've made with my friends and family I can't even name. But I am in my 50's and look younger than most of my FO's in their 30's. So I like to think I lived a good life.

Now for AC, I dislike 10% of my colleagues in the right seat, I dislike 50% of my colleagues in the cabin. I dislike 80% of my colleagues at the gate.

But you keep celebrating your WIN by thinking I am the problem when all of you are terrified to even ask the girl at 3L out for coffee because you think HR is hiding behind the galley curtain waiting to end your career, only to find out that you even assuming the girl at 3L was a girl is now the ACTUAL hr case cause how DARE you ask ''her'' for ''her'' number when she's a non binary.

So keep celebrating guys like me retiring. What you're left with is much much worse than guys like me, Stu, and altiplano calling it out for what it actually is.

Stu is absolutely on point.

Like Altiplano says (even though we have a dislike for one and another on here), some FA's are absolutely great. 50% are not.

As a new hire, if you choose AC, it's not for the job satisfaction. It's for the other plays that come along with it if Canadian life is a life you still value. If not, go out and explore the world until you find a place you enjoy calling home. The risk? You'll maybe be sitting in a Ferrari at a traffic light while Iran sends a SHAHEED 214 into the Fairmont hotel you were about to go and bang that Russian escort at.

Sorry if this post came off classless. Those of you who understand the deeper meaning I'm conveying understand exactly what it is I am saying and appreciate the comedy behind it.

Does the 50 some year old me actually think I am better than anyone? @#$! no. But I took a lot of risks unlike my Canadian peers, and many of them paid off. I also just witnessed a friend take a DEC risk at EK only to have nukes land 10nm away from his house.

So the million dollar question, do you take a risk and go after what you have in your mind, or do you sell yourself to AC and ignore the BS as a means to stay happy and fulfilled? Neither is better than the other, it's all a personal choice based on your personality style.

Pick your lane, but don't scoff at the guy who doesn't, and ends up having everything you thought was impossible.

That last sentence could really help advance a lot of Canadian's out of their shitty mentalities.

Let's be real, no one will read this post so I am going to go and shine the sunlight on my ass hole here at Lake Simcoe for Test boosting. Try it, it works wonders on us toxic men post 50. Use discretion if you actually try it, I am a pilot, not a medical professional.

[altiplano]

They wanted full flight briefings from the pilots with a say and veto on operational decisions, they grieved it even.

Do you have an example of such briefings and the requested vetos?

Why? You don't believe me? Maybe you can look it up. I promise it's real. It was a policy grievance by CUPE to have a say on flight operations. They lost.

They eat your meals if it looks better than what was boarded for them.

I am surprised to learn pilots and cabin crew get different meals? There's no single "crew meal" category? Is there a distinct pilots / cabin meal?

That's right. Meals for all crew are not the same. Also pilots and FAs aren't always on the same pairing. Someone may not have a meal boarded for a given flight where the other does. Recently pilots negotiated an improvement to their crew meals, supposed to get same quality as passenger meals, I know that's a current point of contention. Then there are "special" meals that can be requested but must be justified to get. Special meals sometimes may have better aspects, better salad, better fruit tray, whatever, the person's name goes right on it, I've seen FAs eating a meal in the galley with a pilot's name right on the tray.

I'm not saying that's all of them, but it's not uncommon either.

[digits_]

They wanted full flight briefings from the pilots with a say and veto on operational decisions, they grieved it even.

Do you have an example of such briefings and the requested vetos?

Why? You don't believe me? Maybe you can look it up. I promise it's real. It was a policy grievance by CUPE to have a say on flight operations. They lost.

I don't don't believe you, I'm just curious about the context in which that happened. It sounds like a small thing that started out of a personal conflict between a FA and a pilot which then snowballed into a policy and us vs them fight. Or not. Which is why I'm curious about the details of the case, or some more background information.

[altiplano]

The back ground is a f#d up culture where the service director thinks they are the second in charge of the aircraft and they grieved that much and that they should get FO wages for the type they are on. And of course CUPE who complains the wage gap is because pilots are mostly boys and FAs are mostly girls.

[TCAS RA]

This toxicity between employee groups at AC isn’t even unique to Air Canada. It’s basically a reflection of Canada as a whole.

Here’s a simple example that’ll showcase the deeper systemic issue.

Imagine sitting at a red light in a beat up Ford Pinto. Wife beside you looking fat and rough, obese kid in the back seat, life clearly not going according to plan.

Now imagine a Ferrari pulls up next to you. Guy driving it is relaxed, minding his own business, 10/10 woman in the passenger seat (or dude if you identify that way).

What’s your honest first reaction?

Probably not positive.

Maybe a scoff. Maybe a sarcastic comment. Maybe just resentment sitting quietly in your head while you convince yourself life is unfair.

My favorite reaction is the one who says "I wouldn't give a @#$!" which is such a passive aggressive Canadian comment when ALL they do is give a @#$! deep down inside, but convince themselves they don't, so they don't off themselves. Moving on...

So here’s the question.

Is the Ferrari guy the problem? Or is your reaction to him the problem?

Because if you ask the Pinto guy why his life looks the way it does, you’ll hear every excuse imaginable.

If you ask the Ferrari guy, he’ll tell you the Pinto guy is drowning in excuses and that’s exactly why he’s still sitting there bitter.

That dynamic plays out every single day in Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal at every other traffic light.

Now obviously Canadians love sympathizing with the Pinto guy.

“What if he didn’t have the same opportunities?”
“What if he has disabilities?”
“What if life wasn’t fair to him?”

That’s the default Canadian mindset. Endless justification for why someone isn’t succeeding.

But the part Canadians hate admitting is maybe the Ferrari guy clawed his way out of disaster. Maybe he was staring homelessness in the face at one point and decided he’d never live like that again.

Instead, people automatically hate the guy who has more than them.

That mentality is especially strong in Canada right now because people are watching their quality of life collapse in real time while a minority around them appears to be winning. Savings shrinking, housing exploding, morale dead, and nobody wants to openly say they’re sick of watching their neighborhoods inundated by foreigners and dalilwal dancing turban's.

So what happens?

Someone points out toxicity between departments at AC, which is honestly just a symptom of broader Canadian culture, and immediately the apologetic Canadian responses show up.

“You’re the problem.”
“If you don’t like it, leave.”
“Go fly for Emirates then.”

Sound familiar?

That’s the Canadian attitude in a nutshell. If you point out dysfunction, YOU become the issue. The system itself is apparently never allowed to be criticized. Funny enough, we are such an open society with desire for feedback to improve. RIGHT?!? Wrong. Just at face value. Deep down, we hate feedback.

Now before people twist this into some worship the rich bullshit.

No, not every idiot with a Ferrari and a gold digger is worth admiring. @#$! no. Been there, lived that life, had the fun, and it honestly means less than people think it does.

But here’s reality.

FA’s and pilots are not equal in marketplace value.

That doesn’t mean one group has less human worth. It means the marketplace values different roles differently.

The issue isn’t that FA’s don’t understand that deep down. The issue is a lot of them feel massively underappreciated because they were sold this fantasy that putting on the uniform made them “special.”

Usually a career pursued by people who don't feel special TYPICALLY due to messed up parents, upbringings, experiences, etc. So the concept of the UNIFORM and TRAVEL makes them think this could be THEIR win in their miserable lives.

Then reality hits.

They realize where they actually sit in the hierarchy, and some completely lose their minds over it. Especially when influencers and OnlyFans girls are flying around in Gucci and Birkins while some 50,000 seniority number FA is reusing the same thong because crew scheduling destroyed their month; staring down 25 years of Reserve in YVR.

People are not equal economically. That’s reality. Canadian's are trying to equalize the market place, but the reality is, you can't. Otherwise it's no longer a market.

Human rights wise? Yes, everyone is equal.

But those are two completely different conversations.

Should cabin crew getting J class deadheads be treated like some human rights issue? No.

Should cabin crew be able to bump pilots out of commutes through seniority pass systems? Also no.

Should cabin crew get the first access to hotel rooms instead of the pilots? No.

Yet AC treats a lot of that as perfectly acceptable.

And if you disagree with the system?

Well, according to the Canadian mindset, YOU are now the problem for noticing it.

“How dare you say anything, Stu.”



Thank @#$! I spent 25 years at EK, came back, grabbed the 12 month upgrade, and now I’m basically on the way out toward retirement.

Sure, younger guys will celebrate older guys like me leaving the industry.

But here’s the funny part.

I still got the Ferrari.
I still got the 10/10 flight attendant without an HR case.
I am married happily.
My one kid just got into Yale, the other just got scouted to hopefully hit the NHL draft... even if he won't, he has other successes brewing.
My wife is hot (15 years younger)
I've made millions from the disposable cash I've had.
I am leaving AC at 55 just to get my CWIPP and pad my family trust so that my kids have an even better life later
So many more experiences and memories I've made with my friends and family I can't even name. But I am in my 50's and look younger than most of my FO's in their 30's. So I like to think I lived a good life.

Now for AC, I dislike 10% of my colleagues in the right seat, I dislike 50% of my colleagues in the cabin. I dislike 80% of my colleagues at the gate.

But you keep celebrating your WIN by thinking I am the problem when all of you are terrified to even ask the girl at 3L out for coffee because you think HR is hiding behind the galley curtain waiting to end your career, only to find out that you even assuming the girl at 3L was a girl is now the ACTUAL hr case cause how DARE you ask ''her'' for ''her'' number when she's a non binary.

So keep celebrating guys like me retiring. What you're left with is much much worse than guys like me, Stu, and altiplano calling it out for what it actually is.

Stu is absolutely on point.

Like Altiplano says (even though we have a dislike for one and another on here), some FA's are absolutely great. 50% are not.

As a new hire, if you choose AC, it's not for the job satisfaction. It's for the other plays that come along with it if Canadian life is a life you still value. If not, go out and explore the world until you find a place you enjoy calling home. The risk? You'll maybe be sitting in a Ferrari at a traffic light while Iran sends a SHAHEED 214 into the Fairmont hotel you were about to go and bang that Russian escort at.

Sorry if this post came off classless. Those of you who understand the deeper meaning I'm conveying understand exactly what it is I am saying and appreciate the comedy behind it.

Does the 50 some year old me actually think I am better than anyone? @#$! no. But I took a lot of risks unlike my Canadian peers, and many of them paid off. I also just witnessed a friend take a DEC risk at EK only to have nukes land 10nm away from his house.

So the million dollar question, do you take a risk and go after what you have in your mind, or do you sell yourself to AC and ignore the BS as a means to stay happy and fulfilled? Neither is better than the other, it's all a personal choice based on your personality style.

Pick your lane, but don't scoff at the guy who doesn't, and ends up having everything you thought was impossible.

That last sentence could really help advance a lot of Canadian's out of their shitty mentalities.

Let's be real, no one will read this post so I am going to go and shine the sunlight on my ass hole here at Lake Simcoe for Test boosting. Try it, it works wonders on us toxic men post 50. Use discretion if you actually try it, I am a pilot, not a medical professional.

If only I could go back in time to before I decided to read all of this. Because this is truly the biggest pile of nonsensical bullshit I have seen on this forum in a pretty long time. You people need serious psychiatric help if y'all are unironically posting this.

Hard to believe you've ever been in a position requiring public trust. Your poor FOs.

[cdnavater]

If only I could go back in time to before I decided to read all of this. Because this is truly the biggest pile of nonsensical bullshit I have seen on this forum in a pretty long time. You people need serious psychiatric help if y'all are unironically posting this.

Hard to believe you've ever been in a position requiring public trust. Your poor FOs.

Funny, I stopped reading after a couple paragraphs, my reaction to a Ferrari beside me is, what an awesome car, likely wouldn’t even check out his girlfriend but I guess I can’t identify with pinto guy either.

[Mac08]

You losers still upset the FA turned you down?

Here's an idea - Who gives a shit? Do I care what inflight does? Nope. Only here could you have "professional pilots" complaining about flight attendants

[Stu Pidasso]

Do you have an example of such briefings and the requested vetos?

Why? You don't believe me? Maybe you can look it up. I promise it's real. It was a policy grievance by CUPE to have a say on flight operations. They lost.

I don't don't believe you, I'm just curious about the context in which that happened. It sounds like a small thing that started out of a personal conflict between a FA and a pilot which then snowballed into a policy and us vs them fight. Or not. Which is why I'm curious about the details of the case, or some more background information.

This is 100% true and says it all about CUPE and the mindset within the FA Group. One fine day a 320 was going YZ to Florida (forget which airport) with a Hurricane off the coast. The service staff tried a coup, not wanting to work the flight, claiming it was unsafe. This eventually grew into AC CUPE demanding they be included in the full pre-flight briefing and hold a right to have the flight cancelled. The Captain, First Officer and Dispatcher were all happy to depart, but the FA's (with their esteemed knowledge of Meteorology) want the flight cancelled.

This worked its way to the CIRB and on THE DAY of the hearing CUPE pulled the case. The Captain of the Florida flight is still here and was doing up his tie to drive downtown Toronto when he got called that the hearing was cancelled.

Ask yourself this, would this ever happen at United, Delta, British Airways, Lufthansa? The answer is absolutely not and the offending FA's would be fired.