Sky Service Business Aviation

[JHR]

I once had a 65hr year...I miss those days

[schnitzel2k3]

I once had a 65hr year...I miss those days

Were you on salary?

[JHR]

But of course

[Bug_Stomper_01]

I once had a 65hr year...I miss those days

That’s rough lol

[Bug_Stomper_01]

I have some friends at Sky who seem to be paid a reasonable amount and others seem a little low. It really boils down to what you negotiate with the company/owner.

I think it's the same all around, Chartright, Innotech etc. Most companies will usually offer bottom 25% of average pay during the interview stage. You need to know your value, and going rates for those seats before you walk into a final interview. Don't get blinded by the shiny metal light, because that blinding will usually cost you 2 years of your life on a bond.

Don't forget to negotiate salary increases - if you leave it up to the operators, they will AT BEST give you 2-3% (if you're lucky). Most will save re-negotiations until the 2yr bond mark because they know the financial penalties are so significant, you aren't going anywhere.

And no - skipping out of bonds isn't a thing. They will almost always take you to court - there is no defense against a signed pro-rated contract.

I know a guy that signed a training bond at one of those companies. A couple months after his endorsement was done and paid for, he realized he took on something that wasn’t as advertised. He repaid the remainder of the training bond and gave his 2 weeks notice. The president directed hr to fire him.

[schnitzel2k3]

I have some friends at Sky who seem to be paid a reasonable amount and others seem a little low. It really boils down to what you negotiate with the company/owner.

I think it's the same all around, Chartright, Innotech etc. Most companies will usually offer bottom 25% of average pay during the interview stage. You need to know your value, and going rates for those seats before you walk into a final interview. Don't get blinded by the shiny metal light, because that blinding will usually cost you 2 years of your life on a bond.

Don't forget to negotiate salary increases - if you leave it up to the operators, they will AT BEST give you 2-3% (if you're lucky). Most will save re-negotiations until the 2yr bond mark because they know the financial penalties are so significant, you aren't going anywhere.

And no - skipping out of bonds isn't a thing. They will almost always take you to court - there is no defense against a signed pro-rated contract.

I know a guy that signed a training bond at one of those companies. A couple months after his endorsement was done and paid for, he realized he took on something that wasn’t as advertised. He repaid the remainder of the training bond and gave his 2 weeks notice. The president directed hr to fire him.

Wow. That sounds both expensive and excessive.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

I think it's the same all around, Chartright, Innotech etc. Most companies will usually offer bottom 25% of average pay during the interview stage. You need to know your value, and going rates for those seats before you walk into a final interview. Don't get blinded by the shiny metal light, because that blinding will usually cost you 2 years of your life on a bond.

Don't forget to negotiate salary increases - if you leave it up to the operators, they will AT BEST give you 2-3% (if you're lucky). Most will save re-negotiations until the 2yr bond mark because they know the financial penalties are so significant, you aren't going anywhere.

And no - skipping out of bonds isn't a thing. They will almost always take you to court - there is no defense against a signed pro-rated contract.

I know a guy that signed a training bond at one of those companies. A couple months after his endorsement was done and paid for, he realized he took on something that wasn’t as advertised. He repaid the remainder of the training bond and gave his 2 weeks notice. The president directed hr to fire him.

Wow. That sounds both expensive and excessive.

He wanted out bad enough I guess, and to clarify he was an AME that took the type training. It’s a different scenario work wise but still the same 40k training bond that the company can leverage on most guys that don’t have the resources or wherewithal to fight back. I felt really bad for him

[CJ3PILOT]

SSBA is a great place to work. Ive done two tours of duty there over the years and they have always been great. Organized and crews are very well supported from senior management to flight ops.

The interview with the current CP (Mark) who is a great guy and certainly a "pilots chief pilot" is HR based with no tech questions that ive seen. The interviews ive done were for large corp bizjets and id say that maybe as a lower time F/O interviewing, you might see a few tech questions.

Bonds seem to be 1-2 years based on owner/lead captain direction. Pay is very dependant on owner/aircraft size and is generally industry standard+.

Good luck!

CP

few yrs ago when i was flying regional i applied and got an interview. they didn't even know what job i applied to that they were interviewing. cp was arrogant douche. i left the interview not wanting the job. this was in yyz. glad i didn't take it.

Yeah I had the same guy he came from Air Georgian so take it from there

[schnitzel2k3]

SSBA is a great place to work. Ive done two tours of duty there over the years and they have always been great. Organized and crews are very well supported from senior management to flight ops.

The interview with the current CP (Mark) who is a great guy and certainly a "pilots chief pilot" is HR based with no tech questions that ive seen. The interviews ive done were for large corp bizjets and id say that maybe as a lower time F/O interviewing, you might see a few tech questions.

Bonds seem to be 1-2 years based on owner/lead captain direction. Pay is very dependant on owner/aircraft size and is generally industry standard+.

Good luck!

CP

few yrs ago when i was flying regional i applied and got an interview. they didn't even know what job i applied to that they were interviewing. cp was arrogant douche. i left the interview not wanting the job. this was in yyz. glad i didn't take it.

Yeah I had the same guy he came from Air Georgian so take it from there

Dudes north end YYZ now on a Challenger, non management.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

few yrs ago when i was flying regional i applied and got an interview. they didn't even know what job i applied to that they were interviewing. cp was arrogant douche. i left the interview not wanting the job. this was in yyz. glad i didn't take it.

Yeah I had the same guy he came from Air Georgian so take it from there

Dudes north end YYZ now on a Challenger, non management.

Good for him

[schnitzel2k3]

Good for him indeed. At least he can't negatively influence peoples careers.

[PitchLink]

Good for him indeed. At least he can't negatively influence peoples careers.

Is sky service decent with schedules for maintenance do you know?

[schnitzel2k3]

Good for him indeed. At least he can't negatively influence peoples careers.

Is sky service decent with schedules for maintenance do you know?

Not sure exactly what you mean, but as far as service, they are a heavy maintenance organization. They suffer like most operators at keeping AME and pilot talent, particularly in a short supply market.

[PitchLink]

Good for him indeed. At least he can't negatively influence peoples careers.

Is sky service decent with schedules for maintenance do you know?

Not sure exactly what you mean, but as far as service, they are a heavy maintenance organization. They suffer like most operators at keeping AME and pilot talent, particularly in a short supply market.

Badly written post sorry. I meant to ask if they have decent shifts or work schedules for the maintenance staff.

[schnitzel2k3]

IIRC Yes. Not sure exactly what it is these days but they were scheduled.

Is sky service decent with schedules for maintenance do you know?

Not sure exactly what you mean, but as far as service, they are a heavy maintenance organization. They suffer like most operators at keeping AME and pilot talent, particularly in a short supply market.

Badly written post sorry. I meant to ask if they have decent shifts or work schedules for the maintenance staff.

[PitchLink]

IIRC Yes. Not sure exactly what it is these days but they were scheduled.

Not sure exactly what you mean, but as far as service, they are a heavy maintenance organization. They suffer like most operators at keeping AME and pilot talent, particularly in a short supply market.

Badly written post sorry. I meant to ask if they have decent shifts or work schedules for the maintenance staff.

I don’t know much about that side of the industry but I’ve heard it’s almost like you’re on call 24/7 at some management companies

[schnitzel2k3]

IIRC Yes. Not sure exactly what it is these days but they were scheduled.

Badly written post sorry. I meant to ask if they have decent shifts or work schedules for the maintenance staff.

I don’t know much about that side of the industry but I’ve heard it’s almost like you’re on call 24/7 at some management companies

I have heard of one that is a basic 40 hour work week. My question is, how do you run an on-call flight side with a 40 hour mx work week?

[PitchLink]

IIRC Yes. Not sure exactly what it is these days but they were scheduled.

I don’t know much about that side of the industry but I’ve heard it’s almost like you’re on call 24/7 at some management companies

I have heard of one that is a basic 40 hour work week. My question is, how do you run an on-call flight side with a 40 hour mx work week?

That’s just it, you can’t. I think I know the one you’re talking about. They let potential ames know in the interview process it’s a Monday to Friday gig then flip conditions on its head once you pass probation and or sign a training bond, at that point they have you on a leash. I’ve been doing my research diligently in corporate maintenance as I was thinking about trying it out for a better schedule than rotary. It actually sounds worse to me. You’re on call but not being paid to be on call from what I’ve heard, sounds like hell.
There is a solution, hire more guys licensed on type, but why pay two guys to do a 1.76 man job when you can just pay one and burn him out. That’s the equation I think…..

[Gear_Down]

How does the training bond work at SSBA? Do you serve an initial two-year bond and then become unbonded, or is the bond renewed annually for recurrent training?

[oneL]

I believe it may depend on the individual owner, but I've heard of 2 yrs, prorated, with no added bond for recurrent.

[Gear_Down]

Thanks for the info.

Cheers!

[Heretowork]

I have a Global 5000tr I applied for the last three global jobs at Skyservice never heard a peep. Looks like they are doing a lot of hiring for the heavy Iron.

[Gear_Down]

Does anyone know what current pay is like on the Global XRS / 6000 / 6500 / 7500 for both left and right seat?

[Heretowork]

250/300k is what I have heard for Left seat. No idea on right. I suspect most jobs are captain and co-captain.