ATPL workarounds?

[Heisenberg666]

What about converting your TC CPL to FAA, attaining the FAA ATP (which would require an ATP-CTP course and a ride), after which you convert the FAA ATP back to a TC ATPL? That may be a potential workaround.

[digits_]

What about converting your TC CPL to FAA, attaining the FAA ATP (which would require an ATP-CTP course and a ride), after which you convert the FAA ATP back to a TC ATPL? That may be a potential workaround.

Why would TC issue an ATPL if you don't meet the requirements?

[Doggtown88]

Curious if anyone has applied to AC with a restricted ATPL yet

[B767bunkie]

What about converting your TC CPL to FAA, attaining the FAA ATP (which would require an ATP-CTP course and a ride), after which you convert the FAA ATP back to a TC ATPL? That may be a potential workaround.

Why would TC issue an ATPL if you don't meet the requirements?

Because the requirements for TC to issue an ATPL from an FAA conversion are different.

From what I see you need:

900 hours in aeroplanes
Pass the FAAAA written
Pass an FAA instrument proficiency check in the last 24 months

[digits_]

What about converting your TC CPL to FAA, attaining the FAA ATP (which would require an ATP-CTP course and a ride), after which you convert the FAA ATP back to a TC ATPL? That may be a potential workaround.

Why would TC issue an ATPL if you don't meet the requirements?

Because the requirements for TC to issue an ATPL from an FAA conversion are different.

From what I see you need:

900 hours in aeroplanes
Pass the FAAAA written
Pass an FAA instrument proficiency check in the last 24 months

Nice find. Very surprised that's possible but this circular seems to prove you right:
https://tc.canada.ca/en/aviation/refere ... no-401-001

It also implies we can have 900 hour ATPL holders in Canada. Strange! Especially with the recent push to be more ICAO compliant. I"m wondering if there's another catch hidden somewhere.

[ruffdeezy]

you can have 600 rotary, 900 fixed
nothing has changed

[B767bunkie]

Anecdotally, I know a couple guys in Canada that was successful in attaining the FAA ATP (FAA allows you to credit time as sole manipulator of controls towards PIC credit), then applied for a TC ATPL through this conversion process successfully.

[B767bunkie]

Anecdotally, I know a couple guys in Canada that were successful in attaining the FAA ATP (FAA allows you to credit time as sole manipulator of controls towards PIC credit), then applied for a TC ATPL through this conversion process successfully.

[Speedalive]

Quit your airline job to go fly a Beech to qualify for a better airline job? What an industry. And people wonder why that AC guy forged his ATPL. He was probably 0.1 hours short in some pointless category like night xc PIC and facing having to pay for it.

Exactly. TC is backwards. How does leaving an FO D8 classic to go fly even a navajo make any sense purely to get a licence signed off.

Even that won't work anymore... the way i understand it, the aircraft has to be a certified two crew airplane... king airs and navajos are certified single crew and operated two crew so that won't get you your ATPL anymore... need a PPC on a certified two crew airplane... so either your airline gives you a PPC ride with a CPL and you get a temporary exemption from TC, or you're stuck doing an IPC on a twin like a seminole.... truly the most backwards change possible. There are hundreds of pilots, if not thousands, flying around in 705 machines, even widebodies, with CPL's and now they can't get an ATPL even when they've met the requirements, and have to do an IPC in a dinky twin when they're landing into airports like EWR, to get a RESTRICTED ATPL, not even a full ATPL it is actually mind blowing

This describes my situation… I was flying a regional jet in Canada with an IATRA and then I was lucky enough (or so I thought) to be hired to fly a widebody overseas right before I qualified for my ATPL. I met all the requirements at the time except for total time. I even wrote the exams. Just needed ~200 more hours, so maybe 3 months of flying. But I made that choice in the interest of securing a seniority number after seeing how important that was during Covid. But had I known the ATPL requirements were about to change in Canada, I would’ve probably asked to delay my start date or reconsider, because I kinda screwed myself now.

At the time, I thought that If I didn’t like the gig overseas, worst case is that I’d have some great experience under my belt and all that I would have to do to return home was to do a flight test in a Seminole and rewrite the SARON/SAMRA for my ATPL conversion and then shoot an application to AC/WJ, but now I guess I’ve got to return to the regionals and hope for a quick upgrade to ride out the flow time. Or maybe go to Porter.

What’s ironic is that these changes were made to be more in line with ICAO, and yet I hold an ICAO state ATPL and can’t simply convert it to a Canadian one.

Oh well. Made what I thought was the best choice at the time. Have to live with the consequences. At least I can go back to the regionals with no student debt this time. Wasn’t fun needing per diems to survive back home.

[MaximumAmazing]

What about converting your TC CPL to FAA, attaining the FAA ATP (which would require an ATP-CTP course and a ride), after which you convert the FAA ATP back to a TC ATPL? That may be a potential workaround.

Anecdotally, I know a couple guys in Canada that was successful in attaining the FAA ATP (FAA allows you to credit time as sole manipulator of controls towards PIC credit), then applied for a TC ATPL through this conversion process successfully.

You realize this conversion requirement is based solely on you currently having the license and ratings you currently hold. You haven’t discovered any magical wormhole here. If you want to get an actual FAA ATP you have to acquire the license. The conversion is based on you maintaining the currency on your originating state license. You would have to acquire the FAA license by writing the FAA exams that are not conversion exams and complete all required flight tests and courses.

[Doggtown88]

What about converting your TC CPL to FAA, attaining the FAA ATP (which would require an ATP-CTP course and a ride), after which you convert the FAA ATP back to a TC ATPL? That may be a potential workaround.

Anecdotally, I know a couple guys in Canada that was successful in attaining the FAA ATP (FAA allows you to credit time as sole manipulator of controls towards PIC credit), then applied for a TC ATPL through this conversion process successfully.

You realize this conversion requirement is based solely on you currently having the license and ratings you currently hold. You haven’t discovered any magical wormhole here. If you want to get an actual FAA ATP you have to acquire the license. The conversion is based on you maintaining the currency on your originating state license. You would have to acquire the FAA license by writing the FAA exams that are not conversion exams and complete all required flight tests and courses.

It doesn’t work anyways- the bilateral agreement between Canada and USA is only applicable to people who started at the PPL level in United States. Any foreign license that was converted to obtain an FAA ATP cannot be then converted using the bilateral agreement between FAA and TC. This was confirmed to me by the FAA. So for anyone looking to do that- save yourself the time and money & don’t bother.