Hello, all. Long time reader, finally decided to post a ? to you in the know...
Well, Jazz interview coming shortly (yay!). It's nice to get a crack at an airline opportunity. I'm at a good place now, but I'm in a bit of a connundrum...
I've done a lot of research on here and other sites, scrounging the past forums for answers to my many questions. Still some unanswered ones, however, so thought I'd post a couple here to make the final decision easier.
Decision, you may ask? Well, I know about the pay, and for me it will be a large cut, with a long time until making equivalent. I have a very close family member whom needs special treatment that costs much $$$ (no, not covered under our decrepit health care system...). I am trying to figure how to budget this with the cut, possible move (though hopefully not; I would like to try to commute if able), etc.
So, no flamer idiots, please, just some honest answers if any of you chaps can, or any informed opinions may be helpful...
-Are rumors of more YYC spots opening soon true? I know at this time there are probably none left, but more expansion would be nice...
-How about YVR spots? And, yes, I know about being on reserve for a VEERRY long time either place. Would YVR-YYC be an easy commute? YYC-YYZ?
(Again, I am approaching this from a standpoint of budget, so the shorter the commute, the better..., or the shorter time I need to commute the better... this is preferable to selling my hovel and spending thousands to move, and uproot my close family member who needs the treatment.)
-Is there any rumor to Flt Ops allowing for point A to B passes just for commuting before the 6 mo. freeze being true? I heard this as a rumour, that flight crew can possibly ask for these. I am seeing if such an animal really exists.
-Those of you in YYZ, either commuting or living, what is accomodation like around the airport and prices? I just need a room or bunk. How about the commute from accomodation to airport? Is a car needed? (Forgive my ignorance on this topic, but I need a few tips to clear my lack of info...)
-How is commuting possible or feasible when on reserve at YYZ YVR, or any other base for that matter? I don't know the availablility requirements for reserve- yet.
-Finally, in your opinions, does the perdiems go someway to addressing the lower pay? I'm sure any new guys at Jazz can relate.
This late-nite posting has taxed both my mental credibility and endless aviation patience (Uh, what's that button do again? What? coffee?). So, again, go easy on me. Thanks for the replies.
Re: Jazz interview; questions for those of you in the know
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Not sure if I can answer all your questions but I'll do my best with the ones I do know.
First off congrats on your interview. Yes the starting pay here sucks but in my opinion its a FAR better job than most of the charter jobs out there.
We have a very good health plan at Jazz that may look after some of the costs of your familly member that is ill. (not sure about the pre-existing medical condition thing, but if you are buying medication on a regular basis it should be covered)
Right now the rumours of more expansion in the west are just that, rumours. There are alot of potential new runs that could be opened up but its still a wait and see game right now. The latest equipment bid has been delayed for a bit so it may be a while before we know for sure whats going to happen.
On the last bid there were some Dash slots in YVR but I'm not sure if they are still available. (there were 5 newhires on the Jan schedule)
I believe that YYC-YVR would be an easier commute as there are flights just about every hour, the flight is only an hour, and theres only one time zone change to play with.
Haven't heard anything about the point A-B passes. Maybe one of the new hires would know better.
In YYZ there are several crash pads located close to the airport. The ones I know about are all easily accessable by bus. The transit system in YYZ is very good, you can get just about anywhere for 2.50. It may take a bit longer than a car but it will get you there. I stayed at a crash pad in YYZ that was 160.00/month. For that you got your own bed in a 3 bedroom apt. The catch was there were 10 beds all together. (bunkbeds in the rooms) However there was rarely more than 2 or 3 of us there at a time, so it wasn't nearly as bad as it sounds. If you really need your privacy, I know of a few guys that were renting rooms in houses for around 400-500/month.
I've never commuted on reserve so I can't tell you for sure what its like, however lately the guys on reserve have been flying quite a bit so it might not be too bad.
I hold a full block of flying and bid mostly 3 and 4 day pairings. My perdiems average around 650-800.00/month. Your perdiems on reserve will obviously depend on how much you fly and what type of pairings you get. (the longer the pairing the more perdiems you get) Sorry I can't be more help there but again maybe some of the new hires on here can pitch in.
Overall its a pretty good place to work. Its ALOT less work than flying charters, most of the guys and gals are really good to work with, and the benefits are very good. I left a good job as a charter captain to come here and I'm still not back to what I was making in 1999 but I don't regret my decision one bit.
Hope this helps. If you have any more questions feel free to ask away.
First off congrats on your interview. Yes the starting pay here sucks but in my opinion its a FAR better job than most of the charter jobs out there.
We have a very good health plan at Jazz that may look after some of the costs of your familly member that is ill. (not sure about the pre-existing medical condition thing, but if you are buying medication on a regular basis it should be covered)
Right now the rumours of more expansion in the west are just that, rumours. There are alot of potential new runs that could be opened up but its still a wait and see game right now. The latest equipment bid has been delayed for a bit so it may be a while before we know for sure whats going to happen.
On the last bid there were some Dash slots in YVR but I'm not sure if they are still available. (there were 5 newhires on the Jan schedule)
I believe that YYC-YVR would be an easier commute as there are flights just about every hour, the flight is only an hour, and theres only one time zone change to play with.
Haven't heard anything about the point A-B passes. Maybe one of the new hires would know better.
In YYZ there are several crash pads located close to the airport. The ones I know about are all easily accessable by bus. The transit system in YYZ is very good, you can get just about anywhere for 2.50. It may take a bit longer than a car but it will get you there. I stayed at a crash pad in YYZ that was 160.00/month. For that you got your own bed in a 3 bedroom apt. The catch was there were 10 beds all together. (bunkbeds in the rooms) However there was rarely more than 2 or 3 of us there at a time, so it wasn't nearly as bad as it sounds. If you really need your privacy, I know of a few guys that were renting rooms in houses for around 400-500/month.
I've never commuted on reserve so I can't tell you for sure what its like, however lately the guys on reserve have been flying quite a bit so it might not be too bad.
I hold a full block of flying and bid mostly 3 and 4 day pairings. My perdiems average around 650-800.00/month. Your perdiems on reserve will obviously depend on how much you fly and what type of pairings you get. (the longer the pairing the more perdiems you get) Sorry I can't be more help there but again maybe some of the new hires on here can pitch in.
Overall its a pretty good place to work. Its ALOT less work than flying charters, most of the guys and gals are really good to work with, and the benefits are very good. I left a good job as a charter captain to come here and I'm still not back to what I was making in 1999 but I don't regret my decision one bit.
Hope this helps. If you have any more questions feel free to ask away.
TeeKay,
Congrats on the interview. I was in a similar spot as you. I took Jazz, and I think it was an excellent decision. Remember, eventually you will probably desire more than your current 703 job, and it's a lot easier taking the cut now, than in 10 years. You will start at the bottom in 10 years too.
Good luck.
Congrats on the interview. I was in a similar spot as you. I took Jazz, and I think it was an excellent decision. Remember, eventually you will probably desire more than your current 703 job, and it's a lot easier taking the cut now, than in 10 years. You will start at the bottom in 10 years too.
Good luck.
I don't think he has a problem with the cut, the problem is her/his family member thats ill and this will be a difficult transition for the both of them if TK is stuck in Toronto.Bede wrote:TeeKay,
Congrats on the interview. I was in a similar spot as you. I took Jazz, and I think it was an excellent decision. Remember, eventually you will probably desire more than your current 703 job, and it's a lot easier taking the cut now, than in 10 years. You will start at the bottom in 10 years too.
Good luck.
BCflyer and Bede -
Thanks, those were the kind of answers I am looking for, helpful. YYC is best, but YVR would be a nice basing, and closer to the "special treatments". However, I have no illusions regarding bases - "ya pays yer money, ya takes yer chances". I like to work with objective probablilites, hence the ?'s about western bases and rumours.
BCflyer, cyyz & Bede- Thanks for the understanding.
- I don't want to make it sound like T.O. would be torturous; for many it is a great home. For me - simply different. With stuff like moving bills, more expensive living, less pay and such, it all comes into play. I do have more to consider than most flyboys when in this spot, however, and the family considerations are priority.
If YYZ is the only option for the foseeable future, and I knew this was the overwhelming probability, then no whining for me. As stated, "eyes wide open".
That all having been said, it certainly sounds positive; despite all the wrangling between Team Green, big Red, little red etc.(I have read most of the postings), when it comes down to going to any "big airline", very few pilots regret it.
As for reserve, how does that work when you bid it? how long does a reserve block last, and generally how long from the call to flight?
And as for the "A to B" passes, well, that is simply what I called them for simplicity, they may be called something else completely. This confirms my suspicions, however, that they are more rumours than verifiable...
If any of you commute to YYZ via mainline, what are the odds of success, if you give yourself at least 3 chances ahead of time? All of the pass priorities between teams, pilots vs. other members are a bit vague to me...
Any other opinions / answers are helpful, thanks ladies and gents.
Thanks, those were the kind of answers I am looking for, helpful. YYC is best, but YVR would be a nice basing, and closer to the "special treatments". However, I have no illusions regarding bases - "ya pays yer money, ya takes yer chances". I like to work with objective probablilites, hence the ?'s about western bases and rumours.
BCflyer, cyyz & Bede- Thanks for the understanding.
- I don't want to make it sound like T.O. would be torturous; for many it is a great home. For me - simply different. With stuff like moving bills, more expensive living, less pay and such, it all comes into play. I do have more to consider than most flyboys when in this spot, however, and the family considerations are priority.
If YYZ is the only option for the foseeable future, and I knew this was the overwhelming probability, then no whining for me. As stated, "eyes wide open".
That all having been said, it certainly sounds positive; despite all the wrangling between Team Green, big Red, little red etc.(I have read most of the postings), when it comes down to going to any "big airline", very few pilots regret it.
As for reserve, how does that work when you bid it? how long does a reserve block last, and generally how long from the call to flight?
And as for the "A to B" passes, well, that is simply what I called them for simplicity, they may be called something else completely. This confirms my suspicions, however, that they are more rumours than verifiable...
If any of you commute to YYZ via mainline, what are the odds of success, if you give yourself at least 3 chances ahead of time? All of the pass priorities between teams, pilots vs. other members are a bit vague to me...
Any other opinions / answers are helpful, thanks ladies and gents.
BCflyer and Bede -
Thanks, those were the kind of answers I am looking for, helpful. YYC is best, but YVR would be a nice basing, and closer to the "special treatments". However, I have no illusions regarding bases - "ya pays yer money, ya takes yer chances". I like to work with objective probablilites, hence the ?'s about western bases and rumours.
BCflyer, cyyz & Bede- Thanks for the understanding.
- I don't want to make it sound like T.O. would be torturous; for many it is a great home. For me - simply different. With stuff like moving bills, more expensive living, less pay and such, it all comes into play. I do have more to consider than most flyboys when in this spot, however, and the family considerations are priority.
If YYZ is the only option for the foseeable future, and I knew this was the overwhelming probability, then no whining for me. As stated, "eyes wide open".
That all having been said, it certainly sounds positive; despite all the wrangling between Team Green, big Red, little red etc.(I have read most of the postings), when it comes down to going to any "big airline", very few pilots regret it.
As for reserve, how does that work when you bid it? how long does a reserve block last, and generally how long from the call to flight?
And as for the "A to B" passes, well, that is simply what I called them for simplicity, they may be called something else completely. This confirms my suspicions, however, that they are more rumours than verifiable...
If any of you commute to YYZ via mainline, what are the odds of success, if you give yourself at least 3 chances ahead of time? All of the pass priorities between teams, pilots vs. other members are a bit vague to me...
Any other opinions / answers are helpful, thanks ladies and gents.
Thanks, those were the kind of answers I am looking for, helpful. YYC is best, but YVR would be a nice basing, and closer to the "special treatments". However, I have no illusions regarding bases - "ya pays yer money, ya takes yer chances". I like to work with objective probablilites, hence the ?'s about western bases and rumours.
BCflyer, cyyz & Bede- Thanks for the understanding.
- I don't want to make it sound like T.O. would be torturous; for many it is a great home. For me - simply different. With stuff like moving bills, more expensive living, less pay and such, it all comes into play. I do have more to consider than most flyboys when in this spot, however, and the family considerations are priority.
If YYZ is the only option for the foseeable future, and I knew this was the overwhelming probability, then no whining for me. As stated, "eyes wide open".
That all having been said, it certainly sounds positive; despite all the wrangling between Team Green, big Red, little red etc.(I have read most of the postings), when it comes down to going to any "big airline", very few pilots regret it.
As for reserve, how does that work when you bid it? how long does a reserve block last, and generally how long from the call to flight?
And as for the "A to B" passes, well, that is simply what I called them for simplicity, they may be called something else completely. This confirms my suspicions, however, that they are more rumours than verifiable...
If any of you commute to YYZ via mainline, what are the odds of success, if you give yourself at least 3 chances ahead of time? All of the pass priorities between teams, pilots vs. other members are a bit vague to me...
Any other opinions / answers are helpful, thanks ladies and gents.
BCflyer and Bede -
Thanks, those were the kind of answers I am looking for, helpful. YYC is best, but YVR would be a nice basing, and closer to the "special treatments". However, I have no illusions regarding bases - "ya pays yer money, ya takes yer chances". I like to work with objective probablilites, hence the ?'s about western bases and rumours.
BCflyer, cyyz & Bede- Thanks for the understanding.
- I don't want to make it sound like T.O. would be torturous; for many it is a great home. For me - simply different. With stuff like moving bills, more expensive living, less pay and such, it all comes into play. I do have more to consider than most flyboys when in this spot, however, and the family considerations are priority.
If YYZ is the only option for the foseeable future, and I knew this was the overwhelming probability, then no whining for me. As stated, "eyes wide open".
That all having been said, it certainly sounds positive; despite all the wrangling between Team Green, big Red, little red etc.(I have read most of the postings), when it comes down to going to any "big airline", very few pilots regret it.
As for reserve, how does that work when you bid it? how long does a reserve block last, and generally how long from the call to flight?
And as for the "A to B" passes, well, that is simply what I called them for simplicity, they may be called something else completely. This confirms my suspicions, however, that they are more rumours than verifiable...
If any of you commute to YYZ via mainline, what are the odds of success, if you give yourself at least 3 chances ahead of time?
Any other opinions / answers are helpful, thanks ladies and gents.
Thanks, those were the kind of answers I am looking for, helpful. YYC is best, but YVR would be a nice basing, and closer to the "special treatments". However, I have no illusions regarding bases - "ya pays yer money, ya takes yer chances". I like to work with objective probablilites, hence the ?'s about western bases and rumours.
BCflyer, cyyz & Bede- Thanks for the understanding.
- I don't want to make it sound like T.O. would be torturous; for many it is a great home. For me - simply different. With stuff like moving bills, more expensive living, less pay and such, it all comes into play. I do have more to consider than most flyboys when in this spot, however, and the family considerations are priority.
If YYZ is the only option for the foseeable future, and I knew this was the overwhelming probability, then no whining for me. As stated, "eyes wide open".
That all having been said, it certainly sounds positive; despite all the wrangling between Team Green, big Red, little red etc.(I have read most of the postings), when it comes down to going to any "big airline", very few pilots regret it.
As for reserve, how does that work when you bid it? how long does a reserve block last, and generally how long from the call to flight?
And as for the "A to B" passes, well, that is simply what I called them for simplicity, they may be called something else completely. This confirms my suspicions, however, that they are more rumours than verifiable...
If any of you commute to YYZ via mainline, what are the odds of success, if you give yourself at least 3 chances ahead of time?
Any other opinions / answers are helpful, thanks ladies and gents.
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TeeKay,
If I was you, I would attend the interview and at the end ask your questions to the interviewers. They may know the answers, and if you are offered the chance to go for the sim eval take it. If you decide at that point you would rather stay at your present job, no harm done. The only problem with commuting is that you do not have passes for the first six months. However, the g/s will take approx. 3 weeks and then the sim will take another 2 weeks and then comes line indoc, that should take at the very least 3 to 4 weeks. The whole process may take a couple of months or more to complete, depending on how swamped the training department is at the time. All travel during training is positive space, with the company picking up the tab, along with the hotel and per diems.
Hope this helps,
Flyer
If I was you, I would attend the interview and at the end ask your questions to the interviewers. They may know the answers, and if you are offered the chance to go for the sim eval take it. If you decide at that point you would rather stay at your present job, no harm done. The only problem with commuting is that you do not have passes for the first six months. However, the g/s will take approx. 3 weeks and then the sim will take another 2 weeks and then comes line indoc, that should take at the very least 3 to 4 weeks. The whole process may take a couple of months or more to complete, depending on how swamped the training department is at the time. All travel during training is positive space, with the company picking up the tab, along with the hotel and per diems.
Hope this helps,
Flyer
Flyer:
As Neil Armstrong once said, " I reserve my right to be wishy-washy". Good advice, that's rather what I had in mind.
I was not aware that line indoc was considered training and thus covered for travel.
For a schleb like me, the whole process is exciting, regardless of the outcome and my final decision. Gives me an excuse to cut my hair, and brush up on interview techniques. Should I be successful, but choose to decline (for some persuasive personal reasons), I can at least know that I have what it takes, so to speak; or perhaps delay the DOH until the situation becomes more favorable. Though I know this is not great, as it means a delay in getting my seat further on up the bus.
All replies are insightful and educational, thank you
As Neil Armstrong once said, " I reserve my right to be wishy-washy". Good advice, that's rather what I had in mind.
I was not aware that line indoc was considered training and thus covered for travel.
For a schleb like me, the whole process is exciting, regardless of the outcome and my final decision. Gives me an excuse to cut my hair, and brush up on interview techniques. Should I be successful, but choose to decline (for some persuasive personal reasons), I can at least know that I have what it takes, so to speak; or perhaps delay the DOH until the situation becomes more favorable. Though I know this is not great, as it means a delay in getting my seat further on up the bus.
All replies are insightful and educational, thank you
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last."
-Sir Winston Churchill
-Sir Winston Churchill
Just some clarifications here for you. All new hired are YYZ based pilot until they finish their training (usually end of line indoc) but company pay for your hotel and transportation until the day you pass your PPC. After that, you're by yourself wich means that you have to find your own accomodation. If you live at YYC or YVR, you'll be able to have pass to come back home on weekends during your entire training (PPC) but the day you begin line indoc, it's finish and you'll have to wait your 6 months in the company to have your pass. The training presently (first day to PPC) is about 2 months long wich means about 4 months without pass. If you're on reserve, you have to be at the airport within 2 hours. If you're based YYZ, forget living at YYC or YVR. There are still spots available in the west on the dash8 but I can't tell you how much but for sure less than 10 maybe less than 5. I hope it helps and that you'll understand my poor english. I was almost in the same situation of you the day I had to take my decision to join Jazz. I really don't regret my choice. Think about the future and see if you can afford this situation for a short period. Jazz is a great company to work for with very nice conditions. You can figure around 1000$ clear every 2 weeks as new hired plus around 600 to 900$ perdiem per month. You won't be on reserve for a long time (probably the first month) and our insurance cover 100% of most medical expense. I wish you the best for this new year and by the way, don't talk about commuting during your interview. It's just an advice 
Machtrim .:.
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I wouldn't be asking any questions like that at the interview. I have heard about a few people washing out of the AC mainline interview because they hinted they'd be commuting, wanting a certain base etc. I would do the interview, sim and medical. Once you have the job, ask again and perhaps someone in the preceeding GS knows if there's any western spots left. You can always say no the day before GS, but that will be the end of your chances at Jazz if you do that.
Good Luck.
Good Luck.
Machtrim -
Your command of written English is exemplory; as for the training process, thanks, I get it figured out now.
Seems that reserve is not condusive to commuting, obviously. When the time comes to be able to bid a block, then commuting seems to be an option. As for openings, I figured about the same, so thanks for confirming.
I would have applied to Jazz much earlier myself, but again, had some very persuasive reasons to hold off until now. Resultingly, I knew I would be further back on the bus. Not complaining, as stated previously, just wanting to go into it eyes wide open...
Bede, Mtrim:
Yes, I definately have no plans to bring up any of this, of course (yessir, happy to become a Leaf's fan!). After all, this is all gathering of info. Should I be successful, and get an offer, I expect fully to draw YYZ. Anything west would be a bonus considering where I live; however, I do plan to lose my western draaawwwlll... (y'hear, now?), sell m'hoss and saddle soap, and move into the shadow of the big blue Maple Leaf...
Of course, family situation permitting...
bob -
So then there is hope... thanks.
Your command of written English is exemplory; as for the training process, thanks, I get it figured out now.
Seems that reserve is not condusive to commuting, obviously. When the time comes to be able to bid a block, then commuting seems to be an option. As for openings, I figured about the same, so thanks for confirming.
I would have applied to Jazz much earlier myself, but again, had some very persuasive reasons to hold off until now. Resultingly, I knew I would be further back on the bus. Not complaining, as stated previously, just wanting to go into it eyes wide open...
Bede, Mtrim:
Yes, I definately have no plans to bring up any of this, of course (yessir, happy to become a Leaf's fan!). After all, this is all gathering of info. Should I be successful, and get an offer, I expect fully to draw YYZ. Anything west would be a bonus considering where I live; however, I do plan to lose my western draaawwwlll... (y'hear, now?), sell m'hoss and saddle soap, and move into the shadow of the big blue Maple Leaf...
Of course, family situation permitting...
bob -
So then there is hope... thanks.
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last."
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How does Jazz know how many opening are going to be available in the west. Until new planes, routes and plans are introduced, how do they really know who will upgrade and move on, either to TO or to different AC in their respective bases. Or is Jazz saying, hey, we don't have time to upgrade people so we'll just put new hires into these positions. I thought YYC and YVR wee senior bases, so how can they be held by Junior people?
Because senior guys don't want to bid on it. Due to the number of new hired pilots (30 to 40 per month), the senior guy who is based YYZ or YUL prefered to stay on his base rather than moving west. It's better to be number 200 on 300 (at YYZ) than number 60 on 65 (at YVR). 100 guys behind you on the base seniority list means better schedule. Other point, there is no RJ spots available at the present time in the west so the senior guy who wants to move on the jet won't bid on YVR or YYC. The senior guy who will bid on these bases is the one who really wants to live in the west, regardless of the conditions. We are all human and we take decisions regarding on what your heart says or regarding on your priority. Is it: familly, career, base, flying a jet, having nice schedule, etc... That's the reason why some spot in the west are available to new hired guys. I hope it answer your question.
Sincerely,
Machtrim.:.
Sincerely,
Machtrim.:.
Bede:
So then, does a new guy trying commuting just sit in his crack house...ooops, I meant to say Flop house, and wait for the tele to ring him?
joe to go-
That is the golden question I have been trying to figure out, along with a few others. While not part of Jazz (yet), I think part of the answer is this: Jazz know many months in advance who had bid where, and who is going where. my friend bid and got YYC, but not till late summer...
While being a born-and-bred westerner myself, I have been careful NOT to dis YYZ or T.O. If I am offered a job, sure, I would prefer a western base simply because I live in the west. However, if I don't, then that's the way the bid bounces...
For new hires, the only ones who want to bid west are those who can be closer to home or family; there really is no real advantage to it otherwise. The fact that there is no huge incentive for junior f/o's to go there is the reason there have been some spots in the 1st place...
Thanks, that is interesting considering I read this from a Nov. 14 post just now...You can still commute on reserve. Find a flop house. At Jazz, you're only on reserve 18 days/mo., so it is doable.
so the question is more appropriate to ask is this: is it really feasible to commute to YYZ while on reserve?I was talking to the Asst. CP for YYZ today about this issue. As of current, you CANNOT commute prior to six months. Crew sched. cannot give you a pairing if you are somewhere other than YYZ
So then, does a new guy trying commuting just sit in his crack house...ooops, I meant to say Flop house, and wait for the tele to ring him?
joe to go-
That is the golden question I have been trying to figure out, along with a few others. While not part of Jazz (yet), I think part of the answer is this: Jazz know many months in advance who had bid where, and who is going where. my friend bid and got YYC, but not till late summer...
While being a born-and-bred westerner myself, I have been careful NOT to dis YYZ or T.O. If I am offered a job, sure, I would prefer a western base simply because I live in the west. However, if I don't, then that's the way the bid bounces...
For new hires, the only ones who want to bid west are those who can be closer to home or family; there really is no real advantage to it otherwise. The fact that there is no huge incentive for junior f/o's to go there is the reason there have been some spots in the 1st place...
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