New pilot Searching job

Fred Girardo · Post by **Fred Girardo** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:30 am

Hi, I am a professionnal pilot and I am searching for job. I have 240 hours, 150 PIC, twin and IFR rating. Does anybody have advice or know some compagnys that I could work for? I can work anywhere for any job excluding instruction.

thanx a lot

ciao

727driver · Post by **727driver** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:28 am

I think you have just insulted every instructor both past and present with that comment. At 240hrs don't be too picky. Being an instructor is a very demanding, challenging and rewarding position all at the sametime. By telling us your willing to do anything except instruct is truly a slap in the face of every hard working instructor who is doing what it takes to get ahead. Don't think at 240hrs your too good to be an instructor. I got my start there and traded by cessna for boeing. Show all little repect for your fellow aviators. Just because he/she not wearing bars on his shoulder doesn't make him less a pilot or a person.

Not a very good way to make a first impression. If insulting instructors was not your intent, please choose your words more carefully next time.

CAL · Post by **CAL** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:49 am

i think he said that because he doesnt have an instructor rating..me tinks...

Flying Low · Post by **Flying Low** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:58 am

727driver:

That's a wee bit harsh don't ya think!

Maybe they don't have an instructor rating. Maybe they don't want to instruct.

I decided I didn't want to instruct and found another route to biuld hours, not because I don't like instructors, but because I know I don't have the patience to instruct someone from scratch. I would have been miserable and I know my students would have suffered because of it.

I have no problem with people building their hours that way but I know it's not for everyone. If Fred decides he doesn't want to instruct that's his choice, don't get your back up about it.

Cargo Pilot · Post by **Cargo Pilot** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:53 pm

Why are you guys talking about instructing? He said he wanted to be a pilot...

727driver · Post by **727driver** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:55 pm

I am well aware that not everyone has the ability or desire to instruct. However, there is a way and a way not to say things. The manner in which the statement was posed disrespects all hard working intructors both past present and future. Its contradictory to be both desperate and discriminate at the same time. Would he be willing to cough up $5000.00 for a ppc on a navajo yet paying $4000.00 for and instructor rating be beneath him. We all are aware the opinions express here regarding purchased type rating for employment. If one does not have the ability or patience to teach, I respect that. However that should mentioned to qualify a statement such as "except instruct" as our dear friend has done. That is why if you read the last part of my post I pointed out that if there was no intent to disrespect others then words should be choosen more carefully.

2low · Post by **2low** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:59 pm

Instructing sucks

.....so does your Boeing.

727driver · Post by **727driver** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:00 pm

Cargo Pilot:

That was a beautiful demostration or your ignorance. How do you feel when people ask what you fly and when you tell them proudly "Cargo"; the response back is "so when are you going to be a real pilot and fly passengers". An instructor is every much a pilot you and everyone else. Don't forget it.

Juggs · Post by **Juggs** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:03 pm

How do you feel when people ask what you fly and when you tell them proudly "Cargo"; the response back is "so when are you going to be a real pilot and fly passengers"

Why do you need to have validation from others about what you fly? Does it make you feel like a better person?

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:10 pm

*walks into the room*

*Points at the guys location* QUEBEC!!!

Shut the fark up and leave him alone...

*walks out*

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:11 pm

Funny how some of you like ATC using french in Quebec, but take a shit and think he's trying to imply instructing sucks and is below him and he's insulting instructors...

727driver · Post by **727driver** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:13 pm

Not at all. However someone else here very elequenlty stated that instructors are not pilots. Its a shame that some don't respect others and what they do or what they fly. I was only trying to demostrate that someone who things intructors aren't pilots are as ignorant as the general public who think only those who fly the big iron with people on board are real pilots.

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:18 pm

727driver wrote:Not at all. However someone else here very elequenlty stated that instructors are not pilots..

LoL, I can't justify Cargo's comments, well maybe cause you attacked fred? but Fred just said

I can work anywhere for any job excluding instruction.

and you hastily replied

I think you have just insulted every instructor both past and present with that comment. At 240hrs don't be too picky. Being an instructor is a very demanding, challenging and rewarding position all at the sametime. By telling us your willing to do anything except instruct is truly a slap in the face of every hard working instructor who is doing what it takes to get ahead

I'm guessing he didn't write his "except instruct" comments to be insulting and if he's a real quebecer who has limited English, I'm gonna wager he really really didn't mean it as a slap in the face.

Or maybe he did, in which case, lol at this thread and all my replies. =(

altiplano · Post by **altiplano** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:01 pm

wallypilot · Post by **wallypilot** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:39 pm

yeah i think you're reading WAY too much into phraseology. talk about being over-sensitive. I came through the instructor route as well, and didn't see anything wrong with what he is asking. The guy's first language obviously isn't english. leave it at that.

as for responding to the original post, well Fred Girardo, the best way to start looking is to get onto a website like http://www.pilotcareercentre.com and look at the lists of companies from each region in canada that have single engine airplanes, and navajos and other light twins and start making some phone calls. then decide which ones sound promising, and get in your car and go meet the CP's face to face. If you want useful information in addition to this, you can PM me and avoid all the above crap.

cheers and good luck
wp

Cargo Pilot · Post by **Cargo Pilot** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:12 pm

Geez 727driver, take a pill man. Did you see the

in my message? You jumped all over good ol' Freddy quite unnecessarily.

I'm just playin' with ya - you deserve it.

Now go have a drink.

monkeyspankmasterflex · Tue Jan 10, 2006 7:42 pm

Fred, best of luck to you. Good for you for not wanting to instruct! Instructors are like a virus that slowly chokes the aviation labour market. The generation and regeneration of the student-to-instructor cycle exponentially floods the market with 200 hr pilots who can only be gainfully employed as instructors whose lifeblood is training equally unmarketable pilots.

raven54 · Post by **raven54** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:42 pm

Fred Girardo wrote:I can work anywhere for any job excluding instruction.

ciao

Wow, those are harsh words indeed. I can see how Instructors would be totally pissed off at this disrespectful little good for nuttin' bastard!!

Go grab a pitch fork nut job

av8tor_assrope · Post by **av8tor_assrope** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:44 pm

shit heraldo, not bad. u got 240 with 150 pic and an ifr

Fred Girardo · Post by **Fred Girardo** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 10:35 am

Hi guys, well, I did'nt want tell that instructors are nothnig and they don't work hard and they are miserable. No. I think instructors are very important. It's just that I don't have the capability to be an instructor. I'm a very good pilot and it's clear in my head, but when I have to explain something to somebody, it's goes out very badly. I respect instructors, but like I repeat I choosen to do not instructor. Instead to train badly a person and specially when this person spend alot of money, I prefer just pilot an airplane. That's my best quality. I still have alot to learn, so if somebody have some advices, please let me them.

Thanx

CAL · Post by **CAL** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:00 am

that requires one of these.....

oh my....

Pitts99 · Post by **Pitts99** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:01 pm

Hi Fred,
My better advice for your situation is, as “wallypilot” said, look on pilotcareercenter.com, and try to get a first flying job. You can find something on a single engine for Forest fire detection, paradropping, pipeline inspection, and small charter. If you are not afraid to go anywhere in the country you should find something. You also have the option to get a ramp job with a bigger company, to wait 1 or 2 years and get a right seat turbine job. But the problem for the ramp job and the right seat at 240 hours is that you will have a hard time to go on the left seat and to get your ATPL because you won’t have the PIC time.

For the instructor question, 727driver your are really touchy. I started as instructor, I enjoyed it a lot but I met a lot of other instructors that was really bad because they didn’t like it and they where unable to explain something well. That is a skill question. To be instructor it’s really good for a lot of reasons, but you MUST like it, and you must be good to explain and transmit your knowledge, otherwise it’s really hard to get through. It’s why I understand and respect somebody that knows him enough to say that he would not be good instructing.

And last advice for all instructors, the first hours as instructor are really good, but you should know when to stop. There is no point for your career to do more than 1000 hours of single, except of course if you want to do it all your life. If there is no possibility to get your ass on a twin after 1000 hours, get out of there and get some good twin hours, especially on the actual situation.
My 2 cents!

Good luck Fred.

Dust Devil · Post by **Dust Devil** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:04 pm

Personally I'd rather blow sand up my ass than instruct. but then that's just me.

pistonbroke · Post by **pistonbroke** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:13 pm

Instructing is not for everyone.I spent 5gs on my instructors rating and did it for 6 months and hated it.So I quit and went up north.I wish I never did it and saved 5gs.

Westbeach · Post by **Westbeach** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:27 pm

727 Driver, calm down you wanker! Don't get your pink panties in a bunch, instructing is brutal and it is not meant for everyone, what is the sense of getting a rating and doing somthin for a year you dont enjoy doing!? Right now a 240 hour guy can get a job flying somthing, not needing to instruct. You need to relax, dont be bitter because you were a class 4 instructor your whole instructing career!

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