North Wright

pogeypilot · Post by **pogeypilot** » Wed May 05, 2004 7:20 am

Could somebody please explain to me, in great detail, when having a college degree became a must to fly a 206 in bumble f$#k know where!? Sorry for my ignorance...must have been drinking that day!

Northern Flyer · Post by **Northern Flyer** » Wed May 05, 2004 9:29 am

pogeypilot, its alright, I don't have a degree either. I'm still the smartest guy I know though.

A 206 is a very complex aircraft...... for a twelve year old kid, you may need a degree to decifer the complex systems.

Tube Driver · Post by **Tube Driver** » Wed May 05, 2004 10:01 am

pogeypilot, I think some of your confusion comes from the fact that you recieve a degree from a university and a diploma from a college. Othe than that I have no idea why this is the case. An educated pilot can be a dangerous pilot to employ because the have the ability to think for themselves and may catch on when they are being screwed.

Tube Driver · Post by **Tube Driver** » Wed May 05, 2004 10:02 am

pogeypilot, I think some of your confusion comes from the fact that you recieve a degree from a university and a diploma from a college. Othe than that I have no idea why this is the case. An educated pilot can be a dangerous pilot to employ because the have the ability to think for themselves and may catch on when they are being screwed.

Tube Driver · Post by **Tube Driver** » Wed May 05, 2004 10:02 am

pogeypilot, I think some of your confusion comes from the fact that you recieve a degree from a university and a diploma from a college. Othe than that I have no idea why this is the case. An educated pilot can be a dangerous pilot to employ because the have the ability to think for themselves and may catch on when they are being screwed.

Tube Driver · Post by **Tube Driver** » Wed May 05, 2004 10:03 am

pogeypilot, I think some of your confusion comes from the fact that you recieve a degree from a university and a diploma from a college. Othe than that I have no idea why this is the case. An educated pilot can be a dangerous pilot to employ because the have the ability to think for themselves and may catch on when they are being screwed.

Tube Driver · Post by **Tube Driver** » Wed May 05, 2004 10:07 am

then again if I were educated I might not have sent so many replies.

ahramin · Post by **ahramin** » Wed May 05, 2004 11:42 am

I was going to clean those out for you tube driver but i think for once they look better where they are.

As for uni vs college, a university is actually a school that offers graduate degrees, as in a master or a doctorate.

Though i will admit that most college administrators do not know this, hence the current trend towards calling anything with a blackboard a university-college.

As for North Wright pogeypilot, i believe they said college diploma preferred, not required. Perhaps they simply hope to get someone with decent reading comprehenshun?

Either way i doubt they would take a 250 hour wonder with a diploma over an experienced 206 driver. They are just saying they will not bin your resume if you show up for the interview wearing a shirt and tie.

merlin · Post by **merlin** » Wed May 05, 2004 2:08 pm

What I don't get is why North Wright doesn't put one of the guys that is sitting on the ramp waiting to fly into the 206. Is the 206 really that hard to fly that you need 1000hrs with time on type. Why make the guys sit on the ramp for a year or whatever if there is movement and a opening.

Maybe there is a good reason but I don't get it.

Donald · Post by **Donald** » Wed May 05, 2004 4:01 pm

Maybe they need an insurance break and can't afford a 250hr pilot in the 206?

ahramin · Post by **ahramin** » Wed May 05, 2004 4:45 pm

If that was the case then why hire pilots as ramp agents?

Donald · Post by **Donald** » Wed May 05, 2004 8:21 pm

Cause they still make good slave workers and/or FO's? Just not instant PIC's?

groundtoflightdeck · Post by **groundtoflightdeck** » Wed May 05, 2004 8:29 pm

May be a break on insurance because everyone else has 250hrs. May be having a 1000hr guy on the 206 will help the premiums so other can do it with 250hrs.

Snow Monkey · Post by **Snow Monkey** » Wed May 05, 2004 10:08 pm

NWA likes college diplomas simply because it shows committment to their career, I'm not saying this to say that guys who paid for all their training aren't as committed. I worked briefly for them as a contractor and I ain't got no education. Overall it is a good company to work for lots of flyin'. They also have a very diverse fleet from the C206 thru to the twin otter. Although most start on the ramp and its seems to be alot of work its a great first position. Most of the 206/207 guys are also rh seat on the otter or the BE99 or B200. Great group of pilots to work with and I for one really enjoyed my time up there. Don't knock it until you tried it and remember right now it is an employeers market.

Snow Monkey · Post by **Snow Monkey** » Wed May 05, 2004 10:10 pm

One last thing. The 1000 hr min may very well be a forestry minimum for fire patrol.

groundtoflightdeck · Post by **groundtoflightdeck** » Wed May 05, 2004 10:13 pm

that right isn't the NWT minimum requirement 1000hr PIC?

Snow Monkey · Post by **Snow Monkey** » Wed May 05, 2004 10:20 pm

not sure of the NWT requirements it was just a wild ass guess. In "94" it was 1700 TT. Perhaps the 1000 hr is an oil company requirement. Another wild ass guess

R1830 · Post by **R1830** » Wed May 05, 2004 10:47 pm

The 1000 hrs is because they are looking for an isolated base pilot that is going to have to make their own deciaions with little or no company input. THe 207 may not be incredibly complex but weather and loads can be so they want someone that knows a bit about the airplane before they throw them in the fire.

The area is challenging as far as weather goes and there is lots of terrain, you want to know what you are doing. The airplane is not always the governing factor.

just curious · Post by **just curious** » Thu May 06, 2004 7:42 am

While I can see the outrage over someone choosing a college grad over a non avcollege grad, it all comes back to one of those really annoying ads on TV. "You never get a second chance to make a first impression" .

Over the years that I've watched NWA, Warren has hired college kids at the entry level, and off the streets ex flying club grizzeled veterans for contract on the medevac contract, Otter on Floats, the Helio, the Pilatus.

As a rule the college 'kids' have been uniformly polite, punctual and concerned for the well-being of their aircraft.

While most of the OTS guys were about the same, some were glaring visable and LOUD exceptions.

Ergo... pilot group causing minimal disruption vs pain in the ass to deal with... pretty easy to figure out.

I see a few of the newer guys daily. I expect they will be shifting off the ramp in about a month as the ice, well, maybe not breaks up, but gets too thin to drive on

. They'll drive 120 hours a month until labour days big snow storm and then slow down.

By then, we'll have stolen a couple of their senior drivers and everyone'll move up a notch.

On the whole, I wish they had been around 22000 hours ago, I would have given them a shot. ('course as I remember, back then Cessnas were still made out of wood so it wouldn't have been as warm)

groundtoflightdeck · Post by **groundtoflightdeck** » Thu May 06, 2004 11:00 am

So I am curious how many are respecting their "no phone calls please" request. I am, but then- the sqeeky wheel gets the grease. Just intertested to know how people show enthusiasm when you can't really show up and your not supposed to call.

Mad Dog · Post by **Mad Dog** » Thu May 06, 2004 11:01 am

On the whole, I wish they had been around 22000 hours ago, I would have given them a shot. ('course as I remember, back then Cessnas were still made out of wood so it wouldn't have been as warm)

If you ever feel badly about how old you are, just come here and read JCs posts.

I never heard anyone actually BRAG about being as old as dirt until I became a pilot!

What a funny business!

R1830 · Post by **R1830** » Thu May 06, 2004 12:52 pm

Besides who says a 207 is warm in -40....brrrr

PT6-114A · Post by **PT6-114A** » Sun May 09, 2004 10:08 am

planes with bleed air heat are the way to go. bootyshake the 1000tt is for both oil and fire.

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