WORKING DOCKHAND FOR FREE????????? YEAH THATS WHAT I THINK
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WORKING DOCKHAND FOR FREE????????? YEAH THATS WHAT I THINK
Hey fellow bush pilot's, i'm a young pilot wanting to go bush and have been offerd a position to work the docks for 5 months free, no money and in return i will have a cabin and live with other pilots and dockhands and we'll be feed. Plus nothing is for sure about the 50-100hrs on floats that we "MIGHT" get!!!! do you think this is worth it of should i just look else where????
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angry inch
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ScudRunner
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Hmm well I know its tough to get hours especially to start out on floats but jeees. At least their going to house and feed ya, id say keep looking there's got to be something better out there!
Couple Questions you should be asking is if anyone has "worked" for this particular company before post the name of the outfit and see what turns up. Better yet ask the employer for references of former "pilots" gotta love this indsutry when you ask the employer for references!!
Couple Questions you should be asking is if anyone has "worked" for this particular company before post the name of the outfit and see what turns up. Better yet ask the employer for references of former "pilots" gotta love this indsutry when you ask the employer for references!!
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Rudder Bug
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Please don'accept
Dear Mike,
Please do not accept that job. He's another one looking for a loser to make his money. Anybody would feel like a turhey there.
Many other ones will give you a little pay and even thank you after a hard peformance.
Please tell that miserable operator to go perform alone a biological function best made by a couple.
Cheers
Please do not accept that job. He's another one looking for a loser to make his money. Anybody would feel like a turhey there.
Many other ones will give you a little pay and even thank you after a hard peformance.
Please tell that miserable operator to go perform alone a biological function best made by a couple.
Cheers
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Is this operator by any chance based out of Ear Falls, Ontario, with those words as part of his company name. If so, like Driving Rain stated, run hard and run far!! You will never see an hours float time, but you will be real proficient on the end of a shovel from digging shit house holes.
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KenoraPilot
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Ya it's under fairly new management. I'm pretty sure I know the folks running it. I believe if i'm not mistaken the son use to fly skydivers for free out Ottawa way years ago. They were good people from what I can remember but trust me there are not many jobs more brutal than dockhand and to do it for free would be really shitty. 5am to 10pm 7 days a week for room and board. Pretty sure the lads pickin cotton back in the day got a better deal.
Why not try Kabeelo's. They were lookin for a dockhand about a week ago. They even pay you money on top of room and board and i'm sure you could work the "No guarantee of any flying time" into the deal as well.
Why not try Kabeelo's. They were lookin for a dockhand about a week ago. They even pay you money on top of room and board and i'm sure you could work the "No guarantee of any flying time" into the deal as well.
Ya it's under fairly new management. I'm pretty sure I know the folks running it. I believe if i'm not mistaken the son use to fly skydivers for free out Ottawa way years ago. They were good people from what I can remember but trust me there are not many jobs more brutal than dockhand and to do it for free would be really shitty. 5am to 10pm 7 days a week for room and board. Pretty sure the lads pickin cotton back in the day got a better deal.
Why not try Kabeelo's. They were lookin for a dockhand about a week ago. They even pay you money on top of room and board and i'm sure you could work the "No guarantee of any flying time" into the deal as well.
Why not try Kabeelo's. They were lookin for a dockhand about a week ago. They even pay you money on top of room and board and i'm sure you could work the "No guarantee of any flying time" into the deal as well.
Isn't it amazing how even new management in this game, quickly learn how to put the screws to the new guys. My nephew started out in the bush working for the previous owners of West Caribou Air. He received everything you have been promised plus $2500 per month in wages.
I'd tell the new owners to get stick the offer where the sun doesn't shine. You are very isolated at Stonton Lk. and to be up there for free would even make it more unbearable.
I'd tell the new owners to get stick the offer where the sun doesn't shine. You are very isolated at Stonton Lk. and to be up there for free would even make it more unbearable.
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coffeebreak
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any operator who asks for such a thing is degrading you and others and may set a precedent that other operators may try to follow.
please keep in mind what they are asking is illegal.
somehow there are people in this world who believe they have a right to make a profit regardless of what they may have to take from others. if they can't even pay minimum wage they don't have the right to operate.
tell me they are starving and this is a last ditch effort to try to feed and clothe themselves and then i might say go work in the name of charity to help the poor and destitute. take canned goods with you.
OR work all season, keep track of every hour, and collect a massive cheque after you have taken them to the labour board and sued them. it will look good on your resume, under 'book keeping skills/good with computers'
please keep in mind what they are asking is illegal.
somehow there are people in this world who believe they have a right to make a profit regardless of what they may have to take from others. if they can't even pay minimum wage they don't have the right to operate.
tell me they are starving and this is a last ditch effort to try to feed and clothe themselves and then i might say go work in the name of charity to help the poor and destitute. take canned goods with you.
OR work all season, keep track of every hour, and collect a massive cheque after you have taken them to the labour board and sued them. it will look good on your resume, under 'book keeping skills/good with computers'
Hey there again, look at there job post on pilot career center......
http://www.pilotcareercentre.com/JobLis ... JobID=1155
"We require one or more dockhands for the summer of 2006. Our dockhands could expect to accumulate between 50-100 hours on N6, and C-185 over the course of the season" And over the phone i was told we won't guarantee any flying time!!!!!!!! and there is no pay for the job either.... well WEST-CARIBOU-AIR CAN FLY AWAY ALONE!!!!!!!!
http://www.pilotcareercentre.com/JobLis ... JobID=1155
"We require one or more dockhands for the summer of 2006. Our dockhands could expect to accumulate between 50-100 hours on N6, and C-185 over the course of the season" And over the phone i was told we won't guarantee any flying time!!!!!!!! and there is no pay for the job either.... well WEST-CARIBOU-AIR CAN FLY AWAY ALONE!!!!!!!!
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coffeebreak
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When my nephew worked there for the previous owners, who are real great people and fun to work for, in his second year he was full time on the 185 and was told possibly some Norseman time if it worked out. No promises. Anyway he never did get any, so from what I have heard and read about these new owners, I would say that I smell a carrot dangling!!
Face it, nobody is going to give a rookie dockhand time on a Norseman!!
I also don't understand why they need "one or MORE" dockhands. It is a small operation with only 2 aircraft, so the only reason I can see why they would hire more than one, is first it apparently isn't going to cost them anything to have 10 or more and secondly they can play one against the other and make sure no one gets any time. Complain once and they will easily operate with one less dockhand.
Face it, nobody is going to give a rookie dockhand time on a Norseman!!
I also don't understand why they need "one or MORE" dockhands. It is a small operation with only 2 aircraft, so the only reason I can see why they would hire more than one, is first it apparently isn't going to cost them anything to have 10 or more and secondly they can play one against the other and make sure no one gets any time. Complain once and they will easily operate with one less dockhand.
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check this out!
my neighbour is a labour lawyer and i showed him this topic and the posts.
he emailed the company, west caribou, and brought the labour laws to their attention and challenged them on their policy of no pay for dock hands.
he got a reply from the owner that said they didn't mean to do anything wrong and didn't know they couldn't have people working for nothing. the owner was quite apologetic, seemed quite sincere, and promised he would see that dockhands receive a fair pay on top of room and meals. apparently the owner got his start working for free so he thought nothing of it.
i would be interested in hearing feedback from people who call west caribou looking for work to see that they keep to what they said with respect to fair pay.
my neighbour is a labour lawyer and i showed him this topic and the posts.
he emailed the company, west caribou, and brought the labour laws to their attention and challenged them on their policy of no pay for dock hands.
he got a reply from the owner that said they didn't mean to do anything wrong and didn't know they couldn't have people working for nothing. the owner was quite apologetic, seemed quite sincere, and promised he would see that dockhands receive a fair pay on top of room and meals. apparently the owner got his start working for free so he thought nothing of it.
i would be interested in hearing feedback from people who call west caribou looking for work to see that they keep to what they said with respect to fair pay.
Ggordd, right on! Maybe if more people to the initiative like you instead of just bitching about it, we could actually make some positive changes to this industry.
Now if we could just get your neighbor to spend a few days calling about 500 other operators in this country!!
Now if we could just get your neighbor to spend a few days calling about 500 other operators in this country!!
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slowflight
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This is the info I received from the company. I have left the names out for privacy and I will not talk negative as I do not know the company and therefore I should not judge them. For all I know the pilots flying probably get a wage but I personally do not like the way they expect to get dockhands for free. I don't know any pilot who stands on the sidewalk in downtown Vancouver or Toronto who is holding a sign which says 'I will work for food'.
Anyway, thought I should share this with the few people who are interested.
Quote by West-Caribou Air:
"I have reviewed your resume, and have determined that you may be qualified for the C185 position.
We need to hire a fully qualified Norseman Pilot/Chief Pilot, and a fully qualified C185 Pilot.
Generally when we hire a C185 pilot, we are looking for 250 hours on floats, and the insurance company asks for 100 hours on type. We also hire a Dockhand or two every summer to help with the float base duties. These Dockhands work in exchange for room and board, and 50-100 hours on empty legs on the C-185, and if they are doing well, the Norseman as well.
You may be interested in the C185 position. Over the course of the summer we could get you some Norseman time and qualify you on both types. This way you can kind of be next in line for the Norseman when an opening comes up. Its those forsaken insurance companies that are making things difficult and expensive.
If your interested, you can view our website at http://www.caribouair.ca and we have a new website under construction at http://www.westcaribouair.com you'll get to see some hunting, fishing, and airplane pictures.
I look forward to talking to you about your future with us. We are conducting interviews in the New Year, so we will give you a call for an interview when the time comes. "
Anyway, thought I should share this with the few people who are interested.
Quote by West-Caribou Air:
"I have reviewed your resume, and have determined that you may be qualified for the C185 position.
We need to hire a fully qualified Norseman Pilot/Chief Pilot, and a fully qualified C185 Pilot.
Generally when we hire a C185 pilot, we are looking for 250 hours on floats, and the insurance company asks for 100 hours on type. We also hire a Dockhand or two every summer to help with the float base duties. These Dockhands work in exchange for room and board, and 50-100 hours on empty legs on the C-185, and if they are doing well, the Norseman as well.
You may be interested in the C185 position. Over the course of the summer we could get you some Norseman time and qualify you on both types. This way you can kind of be next in line for the Norseman when an opening comes up. Its those forsaken insurance companies that are making things difficult and expensive.
If your interested, you can view our website at http://www.caribouair.ca and we have a new website under construction at http://www.westcaribouair.com you'll get to see some hunting, fishing, and airplane pictures.
I look forward to talking to you about your future with us. We are conducting interviews in the New Year, so we will give you a call for an interview when the time comes. "
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slowflight
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slowflight
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Slowflight,
Received the same email! Only a little different...lol
I have reviewed your resume, and have determined that you are more than
qualified for the C185 position, and you can use your training skills to
help out a junior pilot who is green and eager.
We need to hire a fully qualified Norseman Pilot/Chief Pilot, and a fully
qualified C185 Pilot.
Generally when we hire a C185 pilot, we are looking for 250 hours on floats,
so your time is plenty. The insurance company asks for 100 hours on type. We
also hire a Dockhand or two every summer to help with the float base duties.
These Dockhands work in exchange for room and board, and 50-100 hours on
empty legs on the C-185, and if they are doing well, the Norseman as well.
You may be interested in the C185 position. Over the course of the summer we
could get you some Norseman time and qualify you on both types. This way you
can kind of be next in line for the Norseman when an opening comes up. Its
those forsaken insurance companies that are making things difficult and
expensive.
Could you please send me a breakdown of your time by PIC on type,
specifically your float time. If your interested, you can view our website
at http://www.caribouair.ca and we have a new website under construction at
http://www.westcaribouair.com you'll get to see some hunting and fishing pictures.
I look forward to talking to you about your future with us.
Sincerely,
President
West Caribou Air Service Inc.
Received the same email! Only a little different...lol
I have reviewed your resume, and have determined that you are more than
qualified for the C185 position, and you can use your training skills to
help out a junior pilot who is green and eager.
We need to hire a fully qualified Norseman Pilot/Chief Pilot, and a fully
qualified C185 Pilot.
Generally when we hire a C185 pilot, we are looking for 250 hours on floats,
so your time is plenty. The insurance company asks for 100 hours on type. We
also hire a Dockhand or two every summer to help with the float base duties.
These Dockhands work in exchange for room and board, and 50-100 hours on
empty legs on the C-185, and if they are doing well, the Norseman as well.
You may be interested in the C185 position. Over the course of the summer we
could get you some Norseman time and qualify you on both types. This way you
can kind of be next in line for the Norseman when an opening comes up. Its
those forsaken insurance companies that are making things difficult and
expensive.
Could you please send me a breakdown of your time by PIC on type,
specifically your float time. If your interested, you can view our website
at http://www.caribouair.ca and we have a new website under construction at
http://www.westcaribouair.com you'll get to see some hunting and fishing pictures.
I look forward to talking to you about your future with us.
Sincerely,
President
West Caribou Air Service Inc.
I sure hope the dockahnds end up getting paid. Its a lot of hours carrying bags (why they dont get a cart I dont know......) ANd living in, well, ok standards, cept for the absence of flushing toilets (which, i guess aint that bad....) I know for a fact that a dockhand that gets 50 hours will be doing good. Also, time in the N6 is likely, if you count right seat time as 'dual", unless the PIC is willing to let ya fly it from the left (while he has no controls, just pedals)
The new owners are really nice guys, they do mean well, just have lots to learn. The base manager is a hoot to work with, he can tell jokes till you're blue in the face. The guests tip very well if you can BS em right. But tips cant be relied upon, so that shoulent be considered in determining your salery!! (that learning thing again)
The new owners are really nice guys, they do mean well, just have lots to learn. The base manager is a hoot to work with, he can tell jokes till you're blue in the face. The guests tip very well if you can BS em right. But tips cant be relied upon, so that shoulent be considered in determining your salery!! (that learning thing again)
Promptly tell him to F$%K OFF!!!
Actually no. DO it like this. Tell him yes you are gonna do it for sure. Then spend the rest of the winter looking for a job. When you get one, wait until 2 days before he needs you on the dock to tell him to eat shit and get another free monkey.
I kow getting started seems impossible but if you take a job for ffree now, it will affect your future. Everytime these pricks get a wanna-be for free, the other ligit operators have a hrader time justifying your pay. Trust me, if you want to be in the business, this is no way to get started. I know of an operator that used to kick pilots off the property if they offered to work for nothing to get a start. Everyone who works for free should get a kick in the nuts IMHO!!!
Actually no. DO it like this. Tell him yes you are gonna do it for sure. Then spend the rest of the winter looking for a job. When you get one, wait until 2 days before he needs you on the dock to tell him to eat shit and get another free monkey.
I kow getting started seems impossible but if you take a job for ffree now, it will affect your future. Everytime these pricks get a wanna-be for free, the other ligit operators have a hrader time justifying your pay. Trust me, if you want to be in the business, this is no way to get started. I know of an operator that used to kick pilots off the property if they offered to work for nothing to get a start. Everyone who works for free should get a kick in the nuts IMHO!!!
