Traf wrote:G The Rat, that would make too much sense. Each side seems to think that what just happened was a 1 time deal due to CCAA. If that is the thinking going into 2009, we are both sunk. The problem is, both sides see each other as the enemy and the threat. We are spending all our energy fighting between each other and putting stuff into our collective agreements that will ensure we get and they don't. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the company is raping our contracts and we are providing them with the vaseline to do it by fighting each other.
Will the internet banter ever stop? Probably not. What better way to spend some down time at work than pissing off some cyber dweebs. WF9F has to be the easiest troll in the world with balls as a close second. That is part of the game. What will really matter is the real world negotiations between ALPA-ACPA and each against the company. I know this is cliche, but together we stand divided we fall. If you don't believe me, look at your paycheck.
Righ now both sides are hiring and getting a bunch of new planes on the lawn. When the euphoria of all this wears off, the reality might set in. Take a look at the financial section of your paper. All indicators are pointing to a slowing US economy and you can bet ours will follow. Even after sept 11, our economy (not airline) recovered relatively quick and has been doing well since. Almost time in the cycle for a recession now isn't it? If we start into a downward trend, how much negotiatiing power does each side think they will have? Do you think the current state of affairs in the Middle East is going to help oil prices? Not after last week it won't.
As a pilot group, we need to start thinking outside our little shell and thinking big picture.
You are one funny dude. You started the wage comments. I was attempting to emphasize how erroneous they were. I am certainly not going to post my wage, aside from the snide and demeaning comments you made. I doubt you have the slightest clue about me, my life or my lifestyle.
You made nasty comments about me in at least two postings, and you say that I am the troll. You really do have to get a grip.
You fling stuff out, then call for peace. Sometimes even in the same posting. How does that work?
I'll stick with my original comments from some time ago. Repeating...
Most of the AC pilots don't spend a great deal of time dwelling on the Jazz situation one way or another.
A GS is a dead issue.
On point one about the Jazz/mainline relationship. Based on my personal experiences...This is quite important because I say hi to everyone in the airports and I've been very rudely treated by many Jazz pilots - except when they want a ride.
I've never denied a Jazz pilot the jumpseat based on their employment. I've commuted and personal traveled all over, and I have been denied by Jazz pilots in the jumpseat many, many, many times, solely based on my employment. I just deleted a couple of comments about some nasty encounters because the intention is not to inflame - as you imply.
So, if we are keeping score the ratio of denials to acceptance shows where the ill-will lies and I refuse to participate in that game. 10:1 is the denial rate for me in the Jazz j/s. We will see in the next few days if that goes even higher.
On point two about the GS, I attempted to explain why and the discussion got quite emotional, plunging back into the historical water under various bridges.
SO, why all the name calling on your part? Do you just not care for my point of view, and just figure that is the only attack that you have left?
little sensitive eh Tony...lol still lol...don't forget I worked there too..I know exactly the fun everyone is having and the party is just getting wound up again...lol....this isn't your regular complaints when you are dealing with tort law and so on....no koolaid and no pot stirring on my behalf take my word for it. I understand why you can get wound up with this. the mid 90's number doesn't work very well with the senior jazz guys...yes you would lose alot. human nature after all it only took you 10 yrs to get that seniority and to have it threatened...well...you won't convince me that this crap is not on your mind. I personally loved the terminal luv I felt with the Air Ontario pilots walking through T2.NOT...I tried to say hello but again human nature I guess. That's all. again not a WJ vs AC thing. just an eye opener for those reading. Did you notice the articles of late all dealing with labour? I'm not promoting...I couldn't give a rats butt...but AC is not the old boys club the 200 hr pilot has learned to believe. It's literally a mess. I could go on for days with this crap. Ya come to think of it since you brought it up wj is good with no troubles of that sort.
Whatever happens happens. Both groups will make their choices and go with them. If it turns out to be the wrong choice, well, such is life.
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