New Floatplane Training School in BC

twotterguy · Post by **twotterguy** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 10:35 pm

After careful consideration, I have decided to remove this post, thanks to those that appreciated the information within it.

I thought posting a notice that our school was open for business was reasonable. Some people were obviously interested and your moderators seemed to think it was reasonably appropriate. (Thanks to you as well)

Unfortunately, some people on your forum would rather 'flame' people than take their own advice and ignore postings that they aren't interested in. Amazing how people behave when they don't have to sign their names.

Good luck folks;

Damian McKevitt

Airtids · Post by **Airtids** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 7:13 pm

Wow, I thought you were talking about us!! Better make that TWO new float schools in BC.

http://www.highalpineair.com/float.htm

Also a shameless plug

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Good luck with your new venture.
Say hi to JM for me.

Robin Tidswell

buck82 · Post by **buck82** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 7:25 pm

make it three,

Pat Bay Air in Victoria.

SkyWolfe · Post by **SkyWolfe** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:03 pm

So, who wants my business?

Airtids · Post by **Airtids** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:54 pm

See next post.

Airtids · Post by **Airtids** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:55 pm

SkyWolfe,
I'm sure we all want your business. The question you should be asking is "What do I want to get out of the training?" and then take a look at the operations to see which best suits your situation. 7 hour or 50 hour is the first question.
I can't speak for the others, I'll let them do that for themselves, but we are a full service FTU, as well as 702/703 operation based out of one of the most spectacular locations on the planet. Our focus in addition to the float flying, is operations at high altitude, river work, and mountain flying considerations. Our 50 hour course will see you down on the coast for some experience with the unique considerations of that environment. Seeing as how you're at the coast, the location might be a big consideration for you. Regardless, it will be some of the best, most enjoyable, flying you will ever do, and your hands and feet will develop more than you can possibly imagine.
Good luck.

5x5 · Post by **5x5** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:59 pm

Airtids,

check your website. The link isn't working right. Only the background picture is showing up.

Airtids · Post by **Airtids** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 9:33 pm

I just clicked on the link posted and it took me right there. Try again and let me know.

cessnafloatflyer · Post by **cessnafloatflyer** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 10:42 pm

*We're not new and packed with experience!

Okay, so we can now add Ocean Air Floatplanes (http://www.oceanair.ca) in Victoria to the list of Seaplane schools that run 702 & 703 charter service... with the best scenery and the challenges of the Pacific coast, the mainland and Vancouver Island....

But really, this is shameless and this not what these forums are about...

We can argue the virtues of training in the 180 vs. the 172 and Nelson area lakes (aren't most of them frozen?) to the wild and rugged year round training of the West Coast with thousands of islands, docks, rivers and thousands of people who rely on daily seaplane service from the islands and villages... Harbour Air and other consider ';coastal flying án asset'
But really, these forums are not about promotion of business, but ideas...

***Moderator, where are you???

happy_flyer · Post by **happy_flyer** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 11:18 pm

Is it acceptable for a former student to shamelessly plug an operation then ? I came from England on vacation specifically to do my float training with the aforementioned Airtids in Nelson, almost 7 years ago and, well, I never left. Can't say enough good things about either the training I received or the location.

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 11:20 pm

But really, this is shameless and this not what these forums are about...

Funny how some operators(possibly those posted and possibly not, just a generalization) are happy go lucky about posting their "specials", but when a current/former student/employee comes and rants about how company X sucks, the operators whine and have the thread pulled. Just like skyw*ngs last year, hurray for PPC training, big spazz about someone mentioning their staff wear sleeping gear to work..

Cute...

Airtids · Post by **Airtids** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 12:32 am

We can argue the virtues of training in the 180 vs. the 172 and Nelson area lakes (aren't most of them frozen?) to the wild and rugged year round training of the West Coast with thousands of islands, docks, rivers and thousands of people who rely on daily seaplane service from the islands and villages... Harbour Air and other consider ';coastal flying án asset'
But really, these forums are not about promotion of business, but ideas...

While I happen to agree that the promotion of business is not the raison d'etre of this forum, (my initial reply to twotterguy's plug was actually intended as a bit of a fun poke at his blatant self-promotion, a poke I'm sure Mr. McKevitt can take with a smile) the truth is that promotion of one operation or another happens here at AVCANADA every day. Personally, I think there should be more because it would reflect a more positive attitude than what we normally get here; just not on the blatant scale that this was. No need to turn this into a "yeah, well my operation's better than yours" type discussion, though, 'cause we could be here all night (doesn't the wind always blow 60 knots on the coast anyways?).

I will agree that the thread should be pulled and advertisers should pay Joe for the service, as Ocean Air did. Pretty sure this is a violation of the guidelines, but that's just a guess.

Is it acceptable for a former student to shamelessly plug an operation then ? I came from England on vacation specifically to do my float training with the aforementioned Airtids in Nelson, almost 7 years ago and, well, I never left. Can't say enough good things about either the training I received or the location.

Absolutely acceptable, and I'm chuffed, really. Mrs. Airtids says I should set you straight, though!!

Funny how the operators are happy go lucky about posting their bs, but when a current/former student/employee comes and rants about how company X sucks, the operators whine and have the thread pulled...

Cute...

What is it? Oh bitch thirty in T.O.?

SkyWolfe · Post by **SkyWolfe** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:12 am

I was sorta joking, I will choose a flight school at my own accord....

Airtids · Post by **Airtids** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:19 am

As you should. It's your money. Do your research and have a great time wherever you choose.

cessnafloatflyer · Post by **cessnafloatflyer** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 8:04 pm

I want to apologise for any hard feelings out there. I did not intend in my post to put any operation down. Sorry for any misunderstandings.

My comment was purely to state that advertising like the original post did goes against the rules of the forum and are not what I assume is what members are interested in; especially if they are not contributors to the discussions here.
I meant no offense nor did I intend to put any of the operations mentioned down in any way.
I am surprised that the moderators did not nix this thread.

twotterguy · Post by **twotterguy** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:33 pm

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5x5 · Post by **5x5** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:39 pm

Double wow, Twotterguy. In your first post you state that you're "shamelessly plugging" your business. Then, when the excrement hits the fan (as should have been foreseen) you claim that you were merely trying to provide "helpful career advice".

Either you're the type who believes any publicity is good publicity or you don't have a very strong understanding of what a public internet forum is all about. Either way, it appears you were trying to pull a fast one. It certainly would make me think twice about using your company if I was looking for float training.

Perhaps you really do have lots and lots of float flying experience and if you want to share that with the rest of us - fill your boots. We can take it or leave it as we choose. But if you're looking for free advertising, please go elsewhere.

twotterguy · Post by **twotterguy** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:00 pm

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Airtids · Post by **Airtids** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:07 pm

Welcome to Avcanada!!

5x5 · Post by **5x5** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:07 pm

If you're into old, unfinished sayings how about "If the shoe fits...."

niko · Post by **niko** » Sat Feb 04, 2006 9:28 am

Is this the outfit that's part of IFR Pro?

angry inch · Post by **angry inch** » Sat Feb 04, 2006 11:08 pm

Twotterguy... saw the post when it came out. Being a neutral guy, I thought it was just fine and am happy to see a new float training outfit try to make a go. I think a small plug for a company is good as long as it doesn't get too loaded. Also, hats off to you for bowing out of a pissing match... see way too many already...

beaverpilot · Post by **beaverpilot** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 5:07 pm

cessnafloatflyer wrote:*We're not new and packed with experience!

Okay, so we can now add Ocean Air Floatplanes (http://www.oceanair.ca) in Victoria to the list of Seaplane schools that run 702 & 703 charter service... with the best scenery and the challenges of the Pacific coast, the mainland and Vancouver Island....

But really, this is shameless and this not what these forums are about...

We can argue the virtues of training in the 180 vs. the 172 and Nelson area lakes (aren't most of them frozen?) to the wild and rugged year round training of the West Coast with thousands of islands, docks, rivers and thousands of people who rely on daily seaplane service from the islands and villages... Harbour Air and other consider ';coastal flying án asset'
But really, these forums are not about promotion of business, but ideas...

***Moderator, where are you???

(Another quote from Ocean Air- the bush flying forum Nov. 2005)

I am the CP for Ocean Air Floatplanes @ Patricia Bay in Victoria, now in our 4th year. We teach on the C-180 beacause that is what they fly out there in the commercial world 180, 185 and 206. Lots of float time in a Champ, Cub or 172 doesn't mean much to insurace if you're going on to 300 hp 185 or 206, they want time on type! Insurace and operators. Gives us the confidence to send you out and as all is familiar. Build time on Cessnas, but not 172s! Everyone flys them on wheels even with 15 hours total time beacuse they are easy and forgiving, but on floats commercially they are useless with no useful load.

This is not the first time you have used these forums to both try and promote your business and bash others. The moderators should be watching you!

cessnafloatflyer · Post by **cessnafloatflyer** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:36 am

(oops, posted twice)

cessnafloatflyer · Post by **cessnafloatflyer** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:42 am

I'm not sure that I want to get into a tit for tat, however i beleive that forum was about should I train on 172s or 180s, or something along those lines.

We have paid to adveritse in the past and have respected this forum, I have been involved in its discussions and given my opinions and have by doing sdo have shown respect to its participants in. I have never started a thread bluntly plugging what we do.

The moderator comment was about actually putting on a post that "shamelessly plugs" a particular outfit, not a discussion about training, or aircraft or insurance requirements and the like. There are rules in these forums and I beleive that they were broken in this case.

Refering to myself and the post you mention, the company name is there as well as my position and it helps to back up my point by referencing my experience. If we thought it more beneficial to our students to train in a 172, then we would have one instead of the 180.

The reason for the 180 is that we are charter company too and a 172 is not as useful as a commerical floatplane with passengers and any baggage and any fuel. We feel that students to be successful should train on and experience the aircraft that they will most likely be flying in their first job, for little added cost, with pilots who fly 702 and 703, not just as instructors.

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