It's only a cartoon for f**k's sake

[charlie_g]

Note to Muslims around the world: if you want people to stop thinking your religion is full of crazy fanatics and insensitive philosophies, how about not burning down embassies because you don't like an editorial CARTOON.

Have any of them considered that maybe if they weren't responsible for suicide bombings and terror attacks to begin with, then maybe the satirists wouldn't be drawing cartoons to that effect?

I say long live freedom of the press, and to hell with those who would squash that freedom. It's not as though the cartoons were baseless.

[mellow_pilot]

First off, WTF? Hate crime is hate crime. Newspaper should have known better. If it had been about Jews or Christians, lots of people would have been pissed off, the paper would have retracted and apologised etc.

Now for the angry mob. I liked the video clips of ppl walking through London screaming about how freedom of speech has limits, you can't spread hate, while in the same breath screaming Jihad. I find it astonishing that people can be so deaf to their own rantings. As for the embassy burning and the mid-east reaction in general, well, what are ya gonna do? The people there are fed so much crap it's astounding that they can walk leta alone riot. Seeing 8yr-old school children burning a Danish flag that they made in class (for the purpose of buring on international television) kinda answers a few questions.

I say we lock the newspaper guys in a room with the protesters and any other fanatical nutbars (Pat Robertson comes to mind). We give them one granade. Whoever pulls the pin first, wins.

[Nightshiftzombie]

Where does anybody come off thinking they have some kind of right to go through life without being mocked, ridiculed or otherwise made fun of. So some guy calls Mohamed a terrorist. Big deal, if there actully is a big head-chopping god in the sky, odds are buddys going to hell for his cartoon. However if there is no big head-chopping god in the sky, then that means these people are morons for beliving in it, and deserve to be made fun of.
Whats next. Leaf fans demanding that we all stop making fun of them?

[...]

Yeah!!! Whats the fuss about?!?!

[Dust Devil]

Newspaper should have known better. If it had been about Jews or Christians, lots of people would have been pissed off, the paper would have retracted and apologised etc.

Jews and Christians would not have resorted to burning down embasies and all out violence. The fact that moderate muslems are not condeming this as loud as they should makes them just as guilty as the fanatics. I think it shows that there are alot of fanatical muslems diguised as moderates.

While these quacks are all gathered in one area it would be a good time to carpet bomb the works of 'em. I'm pretty sure Al Queda's recruitment boys are busy right now.

Besides how many people in the middle east read dutch or french news papers? These cartoons we're brought to the muslem world by muslems.

[CID]

The fact that moderate muslems are not condeming this as loud as they should makes them just as guilty as the fanatics.

Ahhh.....the old "you're either with us or against us" crap.

I don't take personal ownership for everything people of my faith, sex, or polictal leanings do and Muslims shouldn't either.

Having said that, unless you are totally deaf and blind or if you don't own a TV or radio or read a newspaper, you can't have missed the condemnation of the violence by Muslims.

Unless of course you are like many here who would just rather spread hatred against Muslims by dwelling only on the violence. I suspect the latter based on past posts.

[swede]

This supposed affront to Islam is psy ops placed to ramp up EU support for nuclear war against Iran. If the Zionist fanatics can scare the crap out of the peons, whom the Zionists are trying to dupe into believing that this garbage is just some random expression of free speech eminating from some conveniently heretofore obscure paper, obliterating Iran can be justified. The Zionist freaks who run the U.S. govt are behind this thing lock stock and barrel. Good try tho guys, have to give them an A for effort. The so called Islamic fanatics who are running around burning flags are agent provocateurs, well paid by U.S. tax dollars.

http://rense.com/general69/zz.htm

[Special K]

That's excellent propaganda swede!

.........and I bet anyone that supports the publishing of those cartoons is a spy for the U.S. who's only purpose in life is the distruction of Islam and world domination by the Zionist state.

.......I guess swedes post doesn't support hatred towards the Jews though does it CID?

CYA
K

[Scuba_Steve]

Yes another reason to get away from a Oil dependant economy, leave the gulf entirely and let them sort their own shit out.

Yes the cartoon was stupid and offensive and should not have been published, but going around burning embassies and flags just makes them look like a bunch of savages. As always we're only seeing the darker side of islam though, I'm sure for every 1 person acting like an idiot, there are 10 who really don't care.

Cheers

[Brewguy]

If it had been about Jews or Christians, lots of people would have been pissed off, the paper would have retracted and apologised etc.

Not true. Christians and Jews are often the target of satirists ... sure, people bitch about it (and the Jews sometimes scream "anti-semitism"), but it is very, very rare for a paper to retract / apologise for satirical cartoons.

However, apart from that - the rest of this thread is bang on target. Riots, destruction of property, people killed, all over the actions of a hand full of Danish cartoonists and an editor with the bad judgement to publish the works. Even if you count in the editors/publishers of other european papers who have reprinted them, and you're still only talking about the actions of maybe 50 people.

My question is this: These were published in a small, obscure Danish paper in September. Why is the Islamic world erupting in violent protest in February of the next year??? Obviously, some more sinister entity is inciting this violence. It has got to be some terrorist or political organization that's fanning these flames now, for some other purpose. I find it hard to believe that all of the rioters, in say Afghanistan, have seen these cartoons - or could even locate Denmark on a map.

No, there is defenitely something else behind the riots. Some other purpose. Everything is happening all at once, over too large of an area, too long after the initial incident for it to be about the cartoons themselves. Maybe something to do with the international reaction to the Palistinian elections? Or perhaps, the stink over Irans nuclear program?

This world is all screwed up!

[Driving Rain]

This supposed affront to Islam is psy ops placed to ramp up EU support for nuclear war against Iran. If the Zionist fanatics can scare the crap out of the peons, whom the Zionists are trying to dupe into believing that this garbage is just some random expression of free speech eminating from some conveniently heretofore obscure paper, obliterating Iran can be justified. The Zionist freaks who run the U.S. govt are behind this thing lock stock and barrel. Good try tho guys, have to give them an A for effort. The so called Islamic fanatics who are running around burning flags are agent provocateurs, well paid by U.S. tax dollars.

http://rense.com/general69/zz.htm

Swede have you been reading Strauss again

Prof. Strauss and the neocon takeover

By Jim Silva

02/06/06 "Lompoc Record" -- -- Have you seen the latest blockbuster? Like Star Wars, it's classic good verses evil - a power hungry dictator plotting to seize control of a goodly Republic. The twist is it's for adults. Ones who know reality is stranger than fiction. You guessed it! This epic thriller is actually your life, and it's called “The Fall of the Republic - Sleeping Through the Revolution.” Here's a behind the scenes look:

Bush Jr. came to power surrounding himself with far right “neo-conservatives” that his daddy called “crazies in the basement.”

Who are the crazies? A militant, anti-communist group of mainly Jewish intellectuals who studied the Trotskyite, Machiavellian political philosophy of Prof. Strauss at the University of Chicago. Wolfowitz, Ashcroft, Perle, Abrams, Chalabi, Bennett, Ho, Shulsky, Khalilzad, Schmitt, Kristol, are a few of the invasion architects, intelligence crafters, torture lawyers, Iraq ambassadors and U.S. puppets who studied under Strauss.

Together with Straussian devotees at neocon and pro-Israeli think tanks, they now control all powerful positions in our government.

What do neocons believe and want? They are anti-democratic, authoritarian, and they want power. Straussianism provides the intellectual framework and personal justification for their actions.

Strauss taught that an elite, wise ruling class must rule the unsophisticated masses by telling them noble lies for their own good.

Strauss loved Plato, interpreting his teachings to mean, “... true democracy is an act against nature and must be prevented at all costs.”

He wrote leaders must use religion to control the masses.

“Because mankind is intrinsically wicked, he has to be governed,” Strauss wrote. “Such governance can only be established, however, when men are united - and they can only be united against other people.” Leaders must always provide an enemy.

Straussian teachings spark delusions of grandeur in neocon intellectuals, who imagine themselves as the wise ruling elite, set free of the bonds of honesty and equality.

The Project for a New American Century think tank springs directly from this authoritarian power cult. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Bolton, Abrams, Libby, Perle, and others signed PNAC documents in 1997 advocating aggressive, militaristic world domination, domination of space, control of cyberspace (they don't want much), permanent bases in the Middle East, and employing troops in constabulatory (police) duties to enforce U.S. world empire, Pax Americana.

Neocon papers are thick with delusional paranoia like the following from Richard Perle, National Security Council: “No stages, this is total war. We are fighting a variety of enemies. There are lots of them out there. All this talk about first we are going to do Afghanistan, then we will do Iraq . . . this is entirely the wrong way to go about it. If we just let our vision of the world go forth, and we embrace it entirely and we don't try to piece together clever diplomacy, but just wage a total war . . . our children will sing great songs about us years from now.”

Michael Ledeen, American Enterprise Institute Fellow, former NSC, State, and Defense Department consultant and influential White House advisor writes, “We can lead by the force of high moral example ... [but] fear is much more reliable, and lasts longer. Once we show that we are capable of dealing out terrible punishment to our enemies, our power will be far greater. Š We are a warlike people and we love war.”

Perle, Wolfowitz, Bolton and others have a long history of calling for “winnable nuclear war.”

Henry Kissinger described the baffled response of established powers in the face of revolutionary challenge. “Lulled by a period of stability which seemed permanent, they find it nearly impossible to take at face value the assertion of the revolutionary power that it means to smash the existing framework. Those who warn against the danger in time are considered alarmists: those who counsel adaptation Š are considered balanced and sane.”

This movie will soon be over. Better wake up your congressman.

[2R]

Where can you get the T-Shirts ?

[Driving Rain]

Where can you get the T-Shirts ?

Right here.
http://www.cafepress.com/shop/probush

[swede]

That's excellent propaganda swede!

.........and I bet anyone that supports the publishing of those cartoons is a spy for the U.S. who's only purpose in life is the distruction of Islam and world domination by the Zionist state.

.......I guess swedes post doesn't support hatred towards the Jews though does it CID?

CYA
K

There is a vast gulf of distinction between a Jew and a Zionist. Check it out

[cyyz]

It defies logic and reason that entire mobs can be moved to raze buildings because someone dared depict a religious figure. What a joke.

The ridiculous intolerance of many Muslims has been brought to light by this event.

Either get over that, or go live under the repressive regimes that thrive on that kind of BS.

Just waiting to see what they do to the editor, and or what they conjure up next...

I'm sure for every 1 person acting like an idiot, there are 10 who really don't care.

Okay, you think that.. I think it's the other way around for that stat though, 10 idiots, 1 who is tolerant(in a non-western society) maybe 4-6 in a western nation...

[Dust Devil]

I suspect the latter based on past posts.

What past posts?

Oh by the way

[Guido]

I'm sure for every 1 person acting like an idiot, there are 10 who really don't care.

Okay, you think that.. I think it's the other way around for that stat though, 10 idiots, 1 who is tolerant(in a non-western society) maybe 4-6 in a western nation...

Prove it.

[cyyz]

Prove it.

I don't see any of our Danish embassies a blaze....

I do see 3rd world countries embassies on fire on the other hand...

But fine, you want to think that all the extremists are in Canada/US/EU, go right ahead....

PS. I was refering to "western standards" obviously, when you think beating your 6 wives is okay, and killing a few of them for cheating on you, then obviously, it becomes the norm and the majority of them in their home lands are "normal."

[CID]

Dust Devil,

Thanks for continuing the efforts of the site administrators to make this work friendly and family safe website.

[Dust Devil]

Dust Devil,

Thanks for continuing the efforts of the site administrators to make this work friendly and family safe website.

No problem

So did you manage to find the posts you we're refering too??

[shimmydampner]

And once again another intelligent debate turns f-ing stupid.

[...]

And once again another intelligent debate turns f-ing stupid.

I'm banning everyone..including ME

[shimmydampner]

Where will the comic relief come from then?

[swede]

This supposed affront to Islam is psy ops placed to ramp up EU support for nuclear war against Iran. If the Zionist fanatics can scare the crap out of the peons, whom the Zionists are trying to dupe into believing that this garbage is just some random expression of free speech eminating from some conveniently heretofore obscure paper, obliterating Iran can be justified. The Zionist freaks who run the U.S. govt are behind this thing lock stock and barrel. Good try tho guys, have to give them an A for effort. The so called Islamic fanatics who are running around burning flags are agent provocateurs, well paid by U.S. tax dollars.

http://rense.com/general69/zz.htm

Swede have you been reading Strauss again

Prof. Strauss and the neocon takeover

By Jim Silva

02/06/06 "Lompoc Record" -- -- Have you seen the latest blockbuster? Like Star Wars, it's classic good verses evil - a power hungry dictator plotting to seize control of a goodly Republic. The twist is it's for adults. Ones who know reality is stranger than fiction. You guessed it! This epic thriller is actually your life, and it's called “The Fall of the Republic - Sleeping Through the Revolution.” Here's a behind the scenes look:

Bush Jr. came to power surrounding himself with far right “neo-conservatives” that his daddy called “crazies in the basement.”

Who are the crazies? A militant, anti-communist group of mainly Jewish intellectuals who studied the Trotskyite, Machiavellian political philosophy of Prof. Strauss at the University of Chicago. Wolfowitz, Ashcroft, Perle, Abrams, Chalabi, Bennett, Ho, Shulsky, Khalilzad, Schmitt, Kristol, are a few of the invasion architects, intelligence crafters, torture lawyers, Iraq ambassadors and U.S. puppets who studied under Strauss.

Together with Straussian devotees at neocon and pro-Israeli think tanks, they now control all powerful positions in our government.

What do neocons believe and want? They are anti-democratic, authoritarian, and they want power. Straussianism provides the intellectual framework and personal justification for their actions.

Strauss taught that an elite, wise ruling class must rule the unsophisticated masses by telling them noble lies for their own good.

Strauss loved Plato, interpreting his teachings to mean, “... true democracy is an act against nature and must be prevented at all costs.”

He wrote leaders must use religion to control the masses.

“Because mankind is intrinsically wicked, he has to be governed,” Strauss wrote. “Such governance can only be established, however, when men are united - and they can only be united against other people.” Leaders must always provide an enemy.

Straussian teachings spark delusions of grandeur in neocon intellectuals, who imagine themselves as the wise ruling elite, set free of the bonds of honesty and equality.

The Project for a New American Century think tank springs directly from this authoritarian power cult. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Bolton, Abrams, Libby, Perle, and others signed PNAC documents in 1997 advocating aggressive, militaristic world domination, domination of space, control of cyberspace (they don't want much), permanent bases in the Middle East, and employing troops in constabulatory (police) duties to enforce U.S. world empire, Pax Americana.

Neocon papers are thick with delusional paranoia like the following from Richard Perle, National Security Council: “No stages, this is total war. We are fighting a variety of enemies. There are lots of them out there. All this talk about first we are going to do Afghanistan, then we will do Iraq . . . this is entirely the wrong way to go about it. If we just let our vision of the world go forth, and we embrace it entirely and we don't try to piece together clever diplomacy, but just wage a total war . . . our children will sing great songs about us years from now.”

Michael Ledeen, American Enterprise Institute Fellow, former NSC, State, and Defense Department consultant and influential White House advisor writes, “We can lead by the force of high moral example ... [but] fear is much more reliable, and lasts longer. Once we show that we are capable of dealing out terrible punishment to our enemies, our power will be far greater. Š We are a warlike people and we love war.”

Perle, Wolfowitz, Bolton and others have a long history of calling for “winnable nuclear war.”

Henry Kissinger described the baffled response of established powers in the face of revolutionary challenge. “Lulled by a period of stability which seemed permanent, they find it nearly impossible to take at face value the assertion of the revolutionary power that it means to smash the existing framework. Those who warn against the danger in time are considered alarmists: those who counsel adaptation Š are considered balanced and sane.”

This movie will soon be over. Better wake up your congressman.

Could not agree more - this movie will soon be over one way or another. Straussian philosopy aside, these guys (perle, wolfowitz, rice etc.) seem to be under the spell of collective criminal insanity. The doctrine of winnable nuclear war, for one, is right out the bowels of a asylum, or actually Hell. There is also very, precious little in the mainstream media to do with the notion that the nuking of Iran is a distinct scenario, coming sooner than we think. this is in itself, criminal negligence by the fourth estate. If anyone can prove me wrong I would love to see the proof. This abscense of information reflects how totally the media is now controlled by government, or more rightly put, the gov'ts handlers. The only media source now available for any insight as to what the neocons have up their sleeves is here, not for much longer either at the rate things are headed.

[swede]

That's excellent propaganda swede!

.........and I bet anyone that supports the publishing of those cartoons is a spy for the U.S. who's only purpose in life is the distruction of Islam and world domination by the Zionist state.

.......I guess swedes post doesn't support hatred towards the Jews though does it CID?

CYA
K

Here is some more excellent propaganda for you. Does anyone think for one millissecond that if the NSA had actually thwarted a Islamic terror attack on L.A. in 2002, that the bush regime would not have used that as a total justification for the ensuing war on Iraq - COME ON, exactly how stupid does this dictatorship think people are?? Rhetorical question, extremely stupid! Once again and for the umteenth time, we get to watch chicken little play his infamous Terror Card...oooohhhhh, be afraid, be very afraid...

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/fe ... orcard.htm