JAR Conversion

Tomasz · Post by **Tomasz** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 5:47 pm

Hey my name is Tomasz, and I have decided that I want to convert my Canadian Licence to a JAR multi-engine IFR. I have picked two schools where I would like to convert. My first is Oxford and my second is Bristol. Could any body tell me which school is better? Thanks

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 5:55 pm

I would guess Oxford...

wha happen · Post by **wha happen** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:00 pm

I'd like to do that to. Hey can you loan me 15 grand. Thanks in advance

av8tor_assrope · Post by **av8tor_assrope** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:31 pm

yo tomasz,

well dude we’ll break this up into 2 categories. the expensive way and the cheap way.

the expensive way:

well for starters oxford no longer does direct conversions. you can only complete their groundschool…so all your rides need to be done elsewhere. But…having oxford on the ol’ resume doesn’t hurt. Plus oxford, Bristol, cabair and flight training Europe, all require you to attend their 2 week brush up courses before they sign you off to attempt your exams. This will result in several trips across the pond to England. As for the flight training part most guys that due their groundschool with Bristol also due their flight portion with Bristol.

The cheap way:

Dude seriously…do it with NAC in florida. A lot of guys recommend them and you can write your exams in florida and they only require a 1 week brush up course before the exams. Also a few flights down to florida is a lot cheaper than a few flights over to England. And you can do all your flight training in florida, including your cpl ride, except for the ir flight test and hours. So again…you’re saving a lot of cash doing it this way.

Keep in mind..no matter what school you attend…you’re always gonna be treated as a modular student and not an integrated student. So…don’t rely on the school to hook you up with a job…because these integrated kids are paying like 60,000 pounds (120,000 canadian) for that right seat in a 737 as oppose to you, only dishing out 20 000 canadian.

cheers

Walker · Post by **Walker** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:57 pm

So What would one expect to pay to convert from a Can CPL, IFR G1 etc.... to a frozen JAR ATPL IFR etc...
Then what about converting an instructor rating?

Then finally Is there a real advantage to this If I want to get a job flying REALLLY international like eventually get on with the UN doing Aid drops etc?

Tomasz · Post by **Tomasz** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:58 pm

To the guy that asked about doing the conversion, but has no money do what I do each year. I go north in Ontario and I tree plant, last year for 6 weeks I made 11000 dollars, this year I'm planning to go for 12 weeks.

To the person that asked I much it would cost, is that it all depends on the currency conversion. Right now you can get 1 pound for 2 canadian dollars, so to convert it will cost you between 25000 to 30000 canadian dollars. Remember if you want to work in europe you need an EU passport, but if you have the money to convert do it. The aviation industry is expanding so fast, you can get flying work with 250 hours. A friend of main went back to Romonian, and now he is flying a Saab 2000, and he has only 250 hours. Also, in Europe there is a greater demand for pilots then in Canada, the reason being is the to get a licence in Europe will cost you 3 times more then it would in Canada, and also there are a lot more airlines. That's why I'm going this year to europe and converting my licence because I'm see and tired of not being able to find work. All these companies want so many hours, how can you get those hours if no one wants to hire you, its a catch 22. And lets say you do get a job, a lot of companies want you to work the ramp for a year on two, and then you might fly. I think if you want to get a right seat in a jet, and you want it faster then if you stayed in Canada, go to Europe.

av8tor_assrope · Post by **av8tor_assrope** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 12:06 am

wow wow wow...hold on their cowboy. don't forget european pilot's are more likely (and willing to) whip out their wallets and pay for a type or even worse line training. i would say there's a better chance of getting on a decent size turboprop or jet because the possibility is there....but it's not that much easier. you'll find alot of these guys had to dish out for a type. the reason is that when you do your MCC course (mandatory for your fATPL) it costs you seversal thousand...so most guys just put in the extra throusands and get the type while their at it.

although i have heard of guys straight from flight school with 250 from a mom and pop modular school get on RHS 737 without dishing out a dime. but if you ask around in europe you'll find that alot of guys are looking for work. it all comes down to who you know.

cheers

Walker · Post by **Walker** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 4:37 am

ok so IE just like everyother place/industry in the world...

av8tor_assrope · Post by **av8tor_assrope** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 2:51 pm

well......do me a favour...buy a type rating, pay for some line training and than shoot a resume off to AC with about 500TT and 250 on type...and see what type of response they give you. a shitty job in europe is landing rhs in a turboprop. most guys don't look forward to getting a job on a turboprop while in canada most guys would blow their load at the sight of piston twin.

cheers

Tomasz · Post by **Tomasz** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 4:00 pm

Hey body where do you get your information. To get a your MCC will cost you about 6000 canadian dollars, and it doesn't come close of adding couple thousand dollars to get your type rating which costs between 30-40k. Although you are right that some airlines require you to pay for your type rating, not all airlines do, infact some companies in Canada what you to pay for your training too. Some countries in Europe will hire you with 250 hour, but you may have to pay for the type rating. I would would pay the 30k to have a 737, or 320. Where here in canada if you got a type rating and had 250 companies would laugh at you. I can't even get a job flying sky diving, because companies want 500 hours min, that's a fucking joke. And lets say you do get a job flying, your under payed, even if you fly a turbo, your making 20-25k. I rather pay for the type rating and get good pay right after my training then send 6-10 years in Canada making crap money, maybe thinking that I might get a right seat on a jet. There is to many pilots in Canada, that's why the pay is crap. If somebody complies, there a 20 people waiting for the job. Right now Europe is the place to be, they are hiring like crazy, a lot more airlines are expanding and being made.

Shtinky · Post by **Shtinky** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 6:08 pm

Tomasz wrote:...maybe thinking that I might get a right seat on a jet. There are too many pilots in Canada, that's why the pay is crap.

Tomasz we all understand how you feel. Aviation is a harsh mistress. The pay is usually not commensurate with your abilities. Although not everyone is the same there are some operators employing very ruthless business tactics. I'm sure that your brief stint at that 'mad house' last year didn't help the way you view aviation here in Canada. You did the right thing. Since you have an EU passport you're much futher ahead than anyone else here in Canada. I would encourage you to find out as much as you can about going abroad to further you career. If I had an EU or American passport I'd be already there.

Tomasz · Post by **Tomasz** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 5:07 pm

Thanks for the encourgment, a lot of people tell me to stay in Canada and give it a chance,but I just had enough. I tried for 3 years but nothing worked out, it's time to move on. Good luck to you too, in your aviation career. One thing that I learned is to never give up, I think aviation is the best career out there, and when you find that company, you are set.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 5:25 pm

" Right now Europe is the place to be, they are hiring like crazy, a lot more airlines are expanding and being made. "

That is wonderful, because when I go back in a few weeks all the pilots I know over there who have been trying for several years to get a job will be working...especially the guy in Rotterdam who paid for his 737 rating and was still driving the follow me truck the last time I talked to him in September of last yer.

Cat

av8tor_assrope · Post by **av8tor_assrope** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 8:09 pm

exactly. dudes get a twinkle in their eye and a devilish grin on their face when they think of the lucrative european scene.....almost like the asian myth of direct RHS on a 67 for china airlines!!!!!!

don't expect BA and the likes to be breaking down your door unless you went integrated at Oxford, Cabair, or FTE or CTC Wings scheme...and even these guys who pay 70 000 GBP get put in the holding pool from time to time. there’s no easy way, because if there was....…everyone could do it.

best of luck
cheers

Mornazinomoretuzzi · Post by **Mornazinomoretuzzi** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 11:01 am

Hey,

I am about 5 months into the Nac groundschool for the frozen ATPL, headed over to complete the medical in about 2 months. I hope you will enjoy it whatever school you decide to do it with. Keep in mind it is very difficult and requires a lot of your time and energy.

Not to be rude but make sure you are doing it for the correct reasons. If you have this picture in your head of completing all the requirements, buying your type rating and flying left seat in the 737, you may want to rethink your decision. If however you are doing it to gain knowledge and at the same time increase your international marketability then good choice. Anyways, enjoy and don’t get discouraged.

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