Boeing vs Airbus

[JACKASS]

What is the obsetion with boeing airplanes. Clearly Airbus has better technology more efficiant engines, and they have started to use carbon fiber on their A/C its stronger/Lighter and therefor an all around better material for aircraft. Also, they incorperated fly-by-wire into their aircraft close to thirty years ago. The side stick I'm sure make inflight allot more comfortable and they have more fail safes built into their aircraft. So why is it that no matter what either company produces people will believe that boeing is the better aircraft

[W5]

After a search and review of all your other posts I have come to the conclusion that you don't know what you are talking about.

The last time I checked there are more Airbus a/c in Canada than Boeing, and Airbus is outselling them worldwide. So what obsession are we talking about?
Your post smells of a windup, or else juvenile ignorance. Another poster to ignore.

[flyboeing]

The only reason Airbus is so popular because we are in a time where airlines must watch how much they are spending and save as much as possible even if it sacrifices quality. Airbus are a cheap plane, cheaply put together, and cheap to buy. If you want quality go boeing.
If its not boeing no one should be going!

[wallypilot]

I must say that as a passenger, (for I have not been so fortunate as to get behind the controls of one of these babies in flight) I have had good experiences in both makes of aircraft. I have found the new 330's and 340's to have every bit of comfort offered by the 747. Hard to classify it as comfort, though, when you are in economy class for 13.5 hours! Further, most of the choices mad by airlines when purchasing large numbers of passenger aircraft are usually political. each manufacturer has an aircraft that fits each major segment of the airline market. It comes down to politics people.

Having said that, I must say that my knowledge of the operating costs of these aircraft is fairly limited, so if there is a major operating cost advantage to Airbus, then that would put them ahead, but maybe someone can enlighten me as to whether the new generations 737's match up to the latest generation of the 320 family?

[R580XD]

And I suppose if you were offered a job on a Boeing right now you'd turn it down since its not an Airbus...

[W5]

Politics (and bias) might (and does)get involved with some countries and/or operators. When acquiring large a/c you have to look forward for quite a number of years, so there is an awful lot of stuff to consider. Operating costs is just one important driver, but they also have to be projected over a number of years. Over those years any type could develop nasty surprises or a "reputation".
Most commercial operators don't give a rat's a** about pilot comfort or preferences. They (the operators)usually end up changing the requirements during the type's lifespan anyway. In the end it comes down to the best deal that can be negotiated, at that particular time, in regards to price or leasing cost. This might include financing and support.

I have seen a lot of critical comments regarding a/c types, which in fact have nothing to do with that particular type; but reflect equipment, location, layout, operating procedures etc. of one particular operator.

FWIW. the A-319 and B737-700 are close in direct operating costs, but each has it's own advantages and disadvantages.

[JACKASS]

I flew down to cancun on airtransat's A319. Those things hold 300+ their a wide body. So if it cost's the same to operate a 700 series 737 then that would put a huge advantage to the airbus. Unless you mean on a per seat basis. Do you mean on a per seat basis?

[N2]

A 319 that holds 300? Did you mean the 330?

[flyboeing]

Wow, Jackass, I never knew Transat had 319's nevermind one that holds 300+......... i guess you do know your stuff

[JACKASS]

ya ya jokes on me I screwed up. It was an A330

[W5]

http://www.airtransat.com/en/7_3.asp

[JACKASS]

Ya we got the joke W5

man I'd love to meet you face to face

[W5]

And why would that be?

[flyboeing]

I'm flying transat this summer.......boy i sure hope i get to fly on their 319's(i want to see how they fit 300+ in them)

[Boeing Driver]

I fly a Boeing aircraft that will turn 40 next year. It is still a very reliable aircraft. Compared to today's standards, the instrumentation is steam driven, but works like a charm. We'll just have to wait and see what the Airbus fleet looks like when they turn forty. At least when my airplane goes to the junk yard, the aluminum will be recycled. Is all that new fancy dancy carbon fiber stuff recyclable?

Cheers!

[Yoyoma]

Boeing & Airbus as well as all aircraft manufacturers use composite materials! All those new DOD toys you see flying around have composite in their structures. Composite material allows for long life cycles, fire & corrosion properties, low weight/cost, complex shapes and forms, low friction etc...(All these properties are benificial in boats as well...)

Boeing has mainly used hexavalent chromium plated composite which causes concern as to the disposal. HC is considered as hazardous waste. They have on the other hand, like Airbus, developped a scanning procedure to select and purify the carbon (99,8%) which will be recyclable.

As for Boeing Vs Airbus! They both have Pros & Cons and they both will need to Coexist because in today's Aerospace industry, no one will allow either one to take the market. Not even boeing lovers!!

If it isn't Boein' it isn't Goein' but if isn't Airbus, it's not worth the fuss...

Cheers

[Panama Jack]

I fly a Boeing aircraft that will turn 40 next year. It is still a very reliable aircraft. Compared to today's standards, the instrumentation is steam driven, but works like a charm. We'll just have to wait and see what the Airbus fleet looks like when they turn forty. At least when my airplane goes to the junk yard, the aluminum will be recycled. Is all that new fancy dancy carbon fiber stuff recyclable?

Cheers!

Ever heard that they are now considering used computers to be an emerging garbage disposal problem?

So Yoyoma, are you saying that in the year 2030 I'll be going to the local corner store to pick up a bag of briquettes and read on the label that it is recycled Airbus parts??? Man, Henry Ford would have been proud!

The cool thing about small Airbuses is that in the PAX cabin during the course of a flight they do more squeeks, bangs, and chainsaw noises than a haunted house at the amusement park

[Yoyoma]

So Yoyoma, are you saying that in the year 2030 I'll be going to the local corner store to pick up a bag of briquettes and read on the label that it is recycled Airbus parts??? Man, Henry Ford would have been proud!

Back when I was in BC, I got burned by family members for using briquettes...Ever since, I go out early in the morning and chop kindlings for the fireplace!! Lesson learned...

[chief]

Jackass, you sure that wasn't a 310. Didn't think TSC used the 330 for those routes. The 310 holds 260.

[Panama Jack]

Back when I was in BC, I got burned by family members for using briquettes...Ever since, I go out early in the morning and chop kindlings for the fireplace!! Lesson learned...

Careful there, don't chop off any body parts . . . then you'll go to natural gas until one day <BOOM> . . . then you'll switch to electrical eating until one day . . . .

Oh, the challenges of life!

[Yoyoma]

Oh, the challenges of life!

Tell me about it!! You ever seen those On/Off switches!!

[Mitch Cronin]

In addition to all the rest of the good commentary here, I'm surprised no one challenged this:

Clearly Airbus has better technology more efficiant engines,

I wasn't aware Airbus was making their own engines, can you tell us what types use them and what they are? I seem to recall seeing the same types of engines on both manufacturers machines.

also:

and they have more fail safes built into their aircraft.

Do you really believe that to be true?

Having worked on a variety of both Airbus and Boeing machines for a number of years now, I feel quite confident in saying they both have their good and not so good features. Boeing deserves some credit for finally abandoning their "that's just the way we do it" philosophy's in favour of a more "perhaps we can find a better way" approach... and they've evidently learned a thing or two by studying some of the Airbus products.

ECAM, for instance was initially leaps and bounds ahead of EICAS, yet Boeing has evolved EICAS into a much more useful tool.

When brand new, I'd have equal confidence in either manufacturers machines.... whether or not they remain sound is entirely up to those who maintain them.

[North Shore]

WRT 40-year old Boeing A/C, here is a recent article from KIRO News (Seattle). Agreed that they aren't dropping out of the sky on a regular basis, and we have to make allowances for journalists trying to make a story, but 40 years is a long time to be flogging around the skies. Are the planes as safe as they were a year after manufacture?

http://www.kirotv.com/news/3273758/detail.html

[cyyz]

As long as it ain't Commie Built..

[W5]

Thanks everybody for your comments, especially you Mitch.
At least thank heavens that there is still competition between manufacturers. Too bad they don't build structures like Douglas' anymore.