LOU 18 at Jazz?
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superpilot
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LOU 18 at Jazz?
Hey any Jazz or AC guys want to comment on what LOU 18 means in Jazz' contract? As far as I understand it, it means that once you are hired at Jazz, you can't be hired at AC for 2 years. Is that correct?
In a nutshell, YES. After your 2 years are up you will get an interview (if they are interviewing) and if you get a job at AC you get perks like top seniority in each GS goes to Jazz pilots, carry over years from Jazz towards pay etc... Ask WF9F, he will brief you on the Jazz perks that we so deservingly get.
It is a balancing act. Go to Jazz, wait 2 years and enjoy the perks, or try and go OTS now and get 2 years seniority. The catch is if AC doesn't call you, you might have missed your chance to go to Jazz and start burning up your 2 years.
Good luck!
It is a balancing act. Go to Jazz, wait 2 years and enjoy the perks, or try and go OTS now and get 2 years seniority. The catch is if AC doesn't call you, you might have missed your chance to go to Jazz and start burning up your 2 years.
Good luck!
Jazz guys only get top seniority in their own GS. They carry over seniority for pay and vacation purposes only. Previous post may be misleading in a sense because it's not like after 2 years spent at Jazz you're off to AC. You have to wait for your shot at an interview based on your seniority. Guys recently hired all had 7 to 9 years at Jazz.
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I've heard that AC has gotten to the 1100 mark for interviewing (ie only 400 or so from the bottom). I've also heard that even if you don't get to go to AC right away, you get a ACPA seniority number awarded. Anyone know if there's any truth to this one?
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Lost in Saigon
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Not quite correct. I think it goes like this:
Most JAZZ pilots (probably all so far) have more than 2 years in at JAZZ when they get interviewed at AC.
1) If they had less than 2 years....
OR
2) If they cannot be released from JAZZ (they just spent thousands on a aircraft conversion from DHC-8 to RJ)
Then he MAY get a reserved seniority number at AC until his freeze is finished.
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Most JAZZ pilots (probably all so far) have more than 2 years in at JAZZ when they get interviewed at AC.
1) If they had less than 2 years....
OR
2) If they cannot be released from JAZZ (they just spent thousands on a aircraft conversion from DHC-8 to RJ)
Then he MAY get a reserved seniority number at AC until his freeze is finished.
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LETTER OF UNDERSTANDING 18
between AIR CANADA
and the AIR CANADA PILOTS ASSOCIATION
TRANSITION OF CONNECTOR PILOTS TO THE
AIR CANADA PILOTS SYSTEM SENIORITY LIST
It is hereby agreed that the opportunity of orderly advancement onto the Air Canada Pilots’ System Seniority List shall be made available to all pilots employed by Air Canada Connector Airlines in accordance with the following provisions.
L18.01 It is acknowledged that the intent of this provision is for Air Canada to consider offering positions to pilots from the Air Canada Connector Airlines, while respecting the law and in particular the requirements of the Employment Equity Guidelines of the Government of Canada.
L18.02 Pilots in L18.01 above will be offered position vacancies in order of seniority from the Combined Seniority List of Air Canada Connector Airlines. This list will be compiled subject to the Labour Laws of Canada.
L18.03 A pilot will be required:
L18.03.01 To meet the published basic requirements and minimum’s that relate to employment with Air Canada as a pilot and to successfully complete the assessment process.
L18.03.02 To meet the performance standards established by Air Canada that apply to newly hired pilots.
L18.04 Pursuant to an agreement between the Air Canada Connector Airline and CALPA, a pilot who fails to qualify for a position on the Air Canada Pilots’ System Seniority List may have the option of returning to the position held at the Air Canada Connector Airline.
L18.05 Subject to L18.03, a Connector pilot who applies for a vacancy offered in L18.01 whose Combined Connector Seniority entitles him to such a vacancy but whose induction is delayed on the basis of L18.05.01 or L18.05.02 below, may have a seniority number reserved for him on the Air Canada Pilots’ System Seniority List. The respective time served as a pilot with the Connector Airline will be treated as Air Canada service (excluding pension) when he joins Air Canada.
L18.05.01 If the pilot has not been on the current equipment and/or status with the Connector Airline for 24 months Air Canada may delay his induction for up to the remainder of the 24 month period. Information required to verify the application of this provision will be provided in advance to the MEC Chairman, ACPA.
L18.05.02 Effective the date of ratification of this agreement, if a Management pilot at a Connector Airline is essential to that airline for operational reasons, Air Canada may delay his induction for up to six (6) months. This provision will be applied on a case by case basis with prior mutual agreement between Air Canada and the MEC Chairman, ACPA. Such agreement will not be unreasonably withheld.
LOU 18 - 2
L18.05.03 A Pilot joining Air Canada subsequent to the period of time specified in L18.05.01 and .02 above will be assigned a position, as determined by the CMSC, such that no Air Canada pilot will be displaced from his base nor furloughed as a result.
L18.06 A pilot transitioning to Air Canada from an Air Canada Connector Airline will be paid in accordance with Articles 3 through 10, as applicable.
L18.07 If there is a total sale or divestiture of any Air Canada Connector Airline, then the pilots of that carrier will be removed from the Combined Seniority List of Air Canada Connector Airlines, subject to the Laws of Canada.
LOU 18 - 3
PAY CLARIFICATION TO TRANSITION/SENIORITY AGREEMENT
TRANSITION AGREEMENT/LOU 18 CLARIFICATION
The following list is provided to clarify how an individual’s benefits and employment conditions are affected by Flight Staff Employment Date or the implementation of LOU18.05:
LOU 18.05 Implementation Date
Flight Staff Employment Date
1. Seniority number & date 1. Job (Position) selection (equip/base)
2. Flat Salary duration & amount 2. Air Canada insurance & benefit coverage
3. Formula pay commencement
4. New Hire Freeze expiry (Article 25.17)
5. Pass Service date & entitlement
6. Vacation entitlement (includes up to 4 yrs.
connector credit)
NOTE: This date will also govern all items listed under
L18.05 for any pilot not subject to L18.05.
between AIR CANADA
and the AIR CANADA PILOTS ASSOCIATION
TRANSITION OF CONNECTOR PILOTS TO THE
AIR CANADA PILOTS SYSTEM SENIORITY LIST
It is hereby agreed that the opportunity of orderly advancement onto the Air Canada Pilots’ System Seniority List shall be made available to all pilots employed by Air Canada Connector Airlines in accordance with the following provisions.
L18.01 It is acknowledged that the intent of this provision is for Air Canada to consider offering positions to pilots from the Air Canada Connector Airlines, while respecting the law and in particular the requirements of the Employment Equity Guidelines of the Government of Canada.
L18.02 Pilots in L18.01 above will be offered position vacancies in order of seniority from the Combined Seniority List of Air Canada Connector Airlines. This list will be compiled subject to the Labour Laws of Canada.
L18.03 A pilot will be required:
L18.03.01 To meet the published basic requirements and minimum’s that relate to employment with Air Canada as a pilot and to successfully complete the assessment process.
L18.03.02 To meet the performance standards established by Air Canada that apply to newly hired pilots.
L18.04 Pursuant to an agreement between the Air Canada Connector Airline and CALPA, a pilot who fails to qualify for a position on the Air Canada Pilots’ System Seniority List may have the option of returning to the position held at the Air Canada Connector Airline.
L18.05 Subject to L18.03, a Connector pilot who applies for a vacancy offered in L18.01 whose Combined Connector Seniority entitles him to such a vacancy but whose induction is delayed on the basis of L18.05.01 or L18.05.02 below, may have a seniority number reserved for him on the Air Canada Pilots’ System Seniority List. The respective time served as a pilot with the Connector Airline will be treated as Air Canada service (excluding pension) when he joins Air Canada.
L18.05.01 If the pilot has not been on the current equipment and/or status with the Connector Airline for 24 months Air Canada may delay his induction for up to the remainder of the 24 month period. Information required to verify the application of this provision will be provided in advance to the MEC Chairman, ACPA.
L18.05.02 Effective the date of ratification of this agreement, if a Management pilot at a Connector Airline is essential to that airline for operational reasons, Air Canada may delay his induction for up to six (6) months. This provision will be applied on a case by case basis with prior mutual agreement between Air Canada and the MEC Chairman, ACPA. Such agreement will not be unreasonably withheld.
LOU 18 - 2
L18.05.03 A Pilot joining Air Canada subsequent to the period of time specified in L18.05.01 and .02 above will be assigned a position, as determined by the CMSC, such that no Air Canada pilot will be displaced from his base nor furloughed as a result.
L18.06 A pilot transitioning to Air Canada from an Air Canada Connector Airline will be paid in accordance with Articles 3 through 10, as applicable.
L18.07 If there is a total sale or divestiture of any Air Canada Connector Airline, then the pilots of that carrier will be removed from the Combined Seniority List of Air Canada Connector Airlines, subject to the Laws of Canada.
LOU 18 - 3
PAY CLARIFICATION TO TRANSITION/SENIORITY AGREEMENT
TRANSITION AGREEMENT/LOU 18 CLARIFICATION
The following list is provided to clarify how an individual’s benefits and employment conditions are affected by Flight Staff Employment Date or the implementation of LOU18.05:
LOU 18.05 Implementation Date
Flight Staff Employment Date
1. Seniority number & date 1. Job (Position) selection (equip/base)
2. Flat Salary duration & amount 2. Air Canada insurance & benefit coverage
3. Formula pay commencement
4. New Hire Freeze expiry (Article 25.17)
5. Pass Service date & entitlement
6. Vacation entitlement (includes up to 4 yrs.
connector credit)
NOTE: This date will also govern all items listed under
L18.05 for any pilot not subject to L18.05.
