They just wrapped up pilot interviews for ramp positions in YYC. Anyone know how many rampies are on the current list for FO's right now? Thanks,
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gonnabeapilot
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WRX do you by chance know how long the most senior ramp guy has been rampin?
I am going to guess they will run a groundschool early FEB, as for how long the top rampie has been there, its a little over a 1 1/2 which is about what the wait time is now, and might even get a little longer unless a hole lot of pilots leave soon, which is possible. Its a bit of a long wait but still worth it, a lot worse places to be.
Yeah it's about 1 year and half roughly close to two now..
They usually only take 1 low timer for a ground school, everyone else comes from outside with 1000hrs plus.. so... I believe #5 guy has been working for 13 months now...
They have enough people interviewed for a few months.
Even if 20-30 pilots quit in next few months, which they expect to happen, i don't thnk anything will happen to the low timers.
They usually only take 1 low timer for a ground school, everyone else comes from outside with 1000hrs plus.. so... I believe #5 guy has been working for 13 months now...
They have enough people interviewed for a few months.
Even if 20-30 pilots quit in next few months, which they expect to happen, i don't thnk anything will happen to the low timers.
Its not that bad, I think they do try to take 2 per ground school, but sometimes they just can't. I am sure too that they will try to get a couple low timers in each of the next ground schools as well. not the quickest ramp wait, but in the end it could be much much much worse.
By the looks of it all I'm hearing about is low-time (i'm thinking 250-500 hour guys) having to wait on the ramp... or direct entry FO, only if 1000+.
What if you're between 500-1000 hours, still ramp? Would having minimal experience (500-1000) shorten the wait at all?
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What if you're between 500-1000 hours, still ramp? Would having minimal experience (500-1000) shorten the wait at all?
Thanks
There're only two groups.. Ones who doesn't have 1000 hr and ones who do. so the answer's no.. it's the same whether you have 900 hrs or 250 hrs.petey wrote:What if you're between 500-1000 hours, still ramp? Would having minimal experience (500-1000) shorten the wait at all?
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JA1,
I wouldn't count on any company having a laid out set of rules for every such scenario. I would bet that once guys start on the ramp, the order is set, regardless of hours. I also wouldn't count on 1001 hrs guaranteeing a job either. From what little I know about CMA, I can tell you that there is movement, inside references help, and recent direct hires had some industry experience. Good luck.
I wouldn't count on any company having a laid out set of rules for every such scenario. I would bet that once guys start on the ramp, the order is set, regardless of hours. I also wouldn't count on 1001 hrs guaranteeing a job either. From what little I know about CMA, I can tell you that there is movement, inside references help, and recent direct hires had some industry experience. Good luck.
To answer Jet-A1's question, snag is mostly right. There do not appear to be any concrete rules. Judging by this discussion, many feel that getting a job on the ramp and passing the pilot interview gives you a right to a flying job. This is not the case. It is a process by which low timers can get their foot in the door to a job/type of aircraft that is generally unavailable to others of similar experience in other parts of the country. Could the system be improved, of course.
For someone in your scenario with nearly 1000 hrs, you'd have to weigh the benefits of either a)flying in your other job full time to build hours quicker and thus bypass the ramp seniority system or b)noting that by working the ramp you increase your chances greatly of actually getting a job on the 1900D with only 1000 hrs.
As snag said, those hired from off the street have industry experience, recently in the range of 2500-4000 hrs many with multi turbine command. A 1001-hr skydive pilot or flight instructor is not necessarily competitive in that context and therefore may elect to stick with the ramp route.
For someone in your scenario with nearly 1000 hrs, you'd have to weigh the benefits of either a)flying in your other job full time to build hours quicker and thus bypass the ramp seniority system or b)noting that by working the ramp you increase your chances greatly of actually getting a job on the 1900D with only 1000 hrs.
As snag said, those hired from off the street have industry experience, recently in the range of 2500-4000 hrs many with multi turbine command. A 1001-hr skydive pilot or flight instructor is not necessarily competitive in that context and therefore may elect to stick with the ramp route.
Many may have noticed that I am not currently an advocate of 200-hr pilots pursuing ramp work at CMA as their only avenue into a flying position.
In the current state of the industry, it is clear that many companies the size of CMA will be forced to hire lower and lower time pilots (and promote lower and lower time Captains) as the Jazz, AC, and WJ (and others) recruiting push continues, and even increases. Perhaps this won't affect the minimums for copilots at CMA much, as they already have a history of hiring lower time pilots. But it will certainly reduce the Captain experience they require. Heck they just promoted a low-2000 hr pilot to Captain; evidently the 3000-hr minimum has already been chucked out the window.l
People starting on the ramp say, today, will finally be flying in give or take 18 months, and then have about 3-4 years from then until qualified for the ATPL. I think that given the current volume of job ads on this site and others it is clear that one would be able to significantly shorten that 4.5-5.5 yr timeline to more like 2-3 yrs if they first pursued a PIC job elsewhere. With that ATPL and 1500 hrs, 2 yrs from now, you'd more than likely be looking at a left seat quicker than one who'd already been there for the entire time. Yes, your seniority and schedule would suck at first. Of course if you're just DYING to work for CMA then a goal is a goal, fine.
The IDEAL situation for a pilot would be to get that ramp job and work part time while pursuing a PIC instructing or pipeline or skydiving job at the same time. That way you know your foot is in the door at a company with twin turbines, but you're also narrowing the gap to the ATPL much faster than you would as a copilot. Just something to think about.
In the current state of the industry, it is clear that many companies the size of CMA will be forced to hire lower and lower time pilots (and promote lower and lower time Captains) as the Jazz, AC, and WJ (and others) recruiting push continues, and even increases. Perhaps this won't affect the minimums for copilots at CMA much, as they already have a history of hiring lower time pilots. But it will certainly reduce the Captain experience they require. Heck they just promoted a low-2000 hr pilot to Captain; evidently the 3000-hr minimum has already been chucked out the window.l
People starting on the ramp say, today, will finally be flying in give or take 18 months, and then have about 3-4 years from then until qualified for the ATPL. I think that given the current volume of job ads on this site and others it is clear that one would be able to significantly shorten that 4.5-5.5 yr timeline to more like 2-3 yrs if they first pursued a PIC job elsewhere. With that ATPL and 1500 hrs, 2 yrs from now, you'd more than likely be looking at a left seat quicker than one who'd already been there for the entire time. Yes, your seniority and schedule would suck at first. Of course if you're just DYING to work for CMA then a goal is a goal, fine.
The IDEAL situation for a pilot would be to get that ramp job and work part time while pursuing a PIC instructing or pipeline or skydiving job at the same time. That way you know your foot is in the door at a company with twin turbines, but you're also narrowing the gap to the ATPL much faster than you would as a copilot. Just something to think about.
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flyinghigh
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So, are they stop hiring or on hold now, it seems not much news from CMA...WRX wrote:It looks like there isn't going to be any interview for a while. and yep, the next ground school is in march.flyinghigh wrote:Hi, anyone know the latest hiring status in CMA?! Is any groundschool coming up in Mar?! Anyone got call to interview?!
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flyinghigh
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to anyone who is waiting for a call (like me). JET A-1, are you waiting for a call too?!
