Sonic Blue Owner - On tape

ScudRunner · Post by **ScudRunner** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:37 pm

Just caught the CBC news and they had a recording of Ranj Gill telling his pilots not to write up everything in the books. Was reportedly taped a week before the Accident, by one of the pilots.

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:49 pm

interesting that it took 2 months for this "tape" to surface....

and I think it would be an invasion of privacy so he can now sue the pilot, and it isn't admissable in a court of law... So, pretty useless....

Scuba_Steve · Post by **Scuba_Steve** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:53 pm

quite usefull in the court of public opinion and since I'm sure the CBC won't release the source, the pilot is pretty safe. Kudos to him.

Cheers

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:01 pm

Scuba_Steve wrote:quite usefull in the court of public opinion and since I'm sure the CBC won't release the source, the pilot is pretty safe. Kudos to him.

"kudos to him???"
"Public Opinion???"

Please, do go back to our thread where it stated how the pilot's "knew" they were flying unsafe machinery... And then 2 pages later they were all back tracking, "oh, no we didn't know, we just suspected."

This just goes to PROVE, the PILOTS were NEGLIGENT!

Boss - "Fly the plane, it ain't safe"

Pilot - to himself "what a loser I have him on tape"
to his pax "okay people all aboard, all will be safe"
to himself "sweet another hour and I can move on up"
--- Crashy Crashy----

PS. And the horse is dead, I bought us a Camal to flog...

groundtoflightdeck · Post by **groundtoflightdeck** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:03 pm

I don't know that it meets the criteria for invasion of privacy, it was a communication from him to several employees, he had no right to expect the contents not be repeated. It is prejudicial though, so I am sure the laywers will be working on keeping it out.

But is he being charged with anything at this point?

airliner · Post by **airliner** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:44 pm

good on the pilots for going this far. It took guts.

I look forward to hearing the news myself. Since i came from a company of similar maintenance practices (navair) and was also faced with the keep my job scare tactics. This will be a start to a pleasant end of tactics which have killed to many people recently

ramp_monkey · Post by **ramp_monkey** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 8:06 pm

I'll bite.

I watched the CBC show and nothing was said more than my flight instructors used to tell me when I was learning, don't write everything up. Every place is the same and I assume the pilots know when it should be written up.

Most people jump on this form to bitch because they are working on a ramp and people that worked there were flying. Get over it! I work the ramp too but its their choice, good pilots worked there and a good pilot was lost. don't forget that. The company is no longer operating so give it a break, go back to comparing your wage to mc donalds workers somthing just as stupid.

Playball · Post by **Playball** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 8:46 pm

Being an Ex-Sonicblue pilot I can tell you that none of the pilots here from sonicblue ever gave the company a break from maintenence, we always wrote everything little thing up that wasnt working properly on all the aircraft, and I can speak for all the pilots. Thats why you'll hear Ranj Gill asking us not to write up so much in the logbooks, because we always did. no one from the company ever flew the planes if we weren't satisfied with them on that flight. Even small things that seemed to glitch with the instruments or anything for that matter, we would turn back to base and park the plane around back. We stuck together like family. None of us cheated the rest of the pilots and did favors. You'd be surprised how close you bond with your fellow pilots in an industry and company like sonicblue. Some got reduced hours, some got fired, we didnt care, we did what we knew was right. This whole issue with the media is not a retaliation against the company, its a message that we're trying to send out as a group, and rest assured that all the pilots from SB are in this one together as well. We can't change the past, but we sure as hell are going to try and change the future of aviation. Thanks for the support and comments from all of you on here. Im sure most of you that have moved on from companies like this or are still in ones like this across Canada really know where were comming from. Please PM me if you have any suggestions or comments about this issue that may help in the near future. It will be greatly appreciated.
"United We Stand- Divided We Fall"

classiv · Post by **classiv** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:10 pm

How do you get fired from a "job" you bought and at which you work for free?

Windatmyback · Post by **Windatmyback** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:13 pm

Quote: "This just goes to PROVE, the PILOTS were NEGLIGENT!" - CYYZ

Just another lame ass post from CYYZ. I guess he 'knows' what's the what and who's negligent or not??

I hope to God you're not working in our judicial system. I've heard a lot about Ranj and how he operates long ago. It's unfortunate that guys like CYYZ are out there trying to defend him.

ziggy · Post by **ziggy** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:51 pm

Playball
First of all, this is not to defend Ranj at all

In this post, you say Ranj told you to not write up "as many" things in the log book, backing it up by saying you snagged everything.

But in another post, you stated Ranj told you not to write anything in the logbook

Which is it?

748 ho · Post by **748 ho** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:07 pm

F-OFF YOU PUSSEYS WHO WORK FOR SONIC BLUE WHILE MEN ARE GOIN IN THE PANG THROWIN DRUMS GETTIN PAYED COIN TO FLY YES BOYS ITS A JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"IT BRINGS ME AND THE MEN !!!!!!!!!!!"

@#$! OFF YOU PPC BUYIN BAG LICKIN WORKIN FOR FREE PUSSEY!!!!!!!!!

LostinRotation · Post by **LostinRotation** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:38 pm

If you say the pilots wrote everything up...then why did this pilot feel compelled to record this ?

If the A/C and maintenence were all up to snuff, he wouldn't need the damn recorder.

Oh and don't tell us all you bought a job, work for free, screwed the rest of us...then come looking for solidarity and support while you only worry about your ass once again.

" None of us cheated the rest of the pilots and did favors " Bullshit, you screwed us all when you bought your job...now you expect us to believe you give a crap ?

" Some got reduced hours, some got fired, we didnt care, we did what we knew was right. "

Do you read this crap you write ? Is the Ironey lost on you here ? If you didn't care about hours...then why did you work for free ! ?

Hipocrites like you are the type of scum that can justify anything in their mind as long as its self serving.

-=0=LIR=0=-

Playball · Post by **Playball** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:00 pm

[quote]How do you get fired from a "job" you bought and at which you work for free?

When you first buy your ppc into the company in hopes to build your hours and move on, its not until you actually get into it that you see first hand the way it's really run. You get fired from a job, or get your hours reduced when you refuse to fly the aircrafts in the condition their in sometimes. Thats how you get fired. Hope that answers your question.

As for all the other comments being posted on here with all the trash language used bashing sb pilots, i figure your an owner/operator of a company like sb, or your a pilot still flying for a company like sb that has the vocabulary of a 14 year old and still havent hit that brick wall to open your eyes. Maybe fearing you'll be out of a job soon if things are heading in the direction to change the industry and shut down other operators like sb. I wont even bother replying to people like you, becuase i'd only be feeding into your joy of sitting at home trying to spark an arguement over the internet that wont even lead to anything. We all know a part of life is learning from your past mistakes, some live through it, and some don't. I for one obviously did live through it, and in return I can only try to help others from making the same mistakes before it may one day cost them their life. Nothing wrong with that is there? It seems like a couple replies on here seem think otherwise...

ziggy · Post by **ziggy** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:18 pm

Playball, meet 748Ho. One of our most admired contributers.

And as per my question..................................please explain

Playball · Post by **Playball** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:34 pm

Hey Ziggy.. sorry I missed your question.. but in regaurds to what I said about 'not writing things up in the log book', Ranjit came across with mixed messages in the meetings. In some cases, he asked that we dont write up what he concidered 'small snags' in the log book, and instead on a seperate defect sheet. This apparently reduced the paper work for maintenance, making it sound like the problems would be looked after as if they were being written up in the logbook, and he was trying to lessen the work load for the maintenance guys. It was only the 'major problems' that were okay to write in the logbook, even though his idea of 'small snags' should really ground the airplane. It was his way of keeping the planes flying each day so that he wouldn't lose business/contracts the next day. Hope I cleared that up. make sense?

KISS_MY_TCAS · Post by **KISS_MY_TCAS** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:56 am

For crying out loud......Ranjit says "don't write up the small stuff", so you don't even though as you state "even though his idea of 'small snags' should really ground the airplane", who is to blame? Pilots accept an aircraft and expect it fit and safe for flight...period, including the crew after you who was too chicken shit to enter a defect in the log. Do you feel bad for the pile of paperwork mtce has to do? If it assures you a safe, airworthy aircraft is it not worthwhile, or does it take away from the ever important building of hours for little or no pay? If there was something that should be logged and snagged what is the worst that could happen? Be let go from your pro-bono employment?? If you feel it should be written up, write it up. When your employment gets to the point of covertly videotaping someone telling you not to write things up and you think yourself a hero for capturing it on tape, you don't belong in this industry period. The person holding the camera has proven himself one of the biggest jackasses in this industry. Playball, you and the rest of your collegues from SB need to grow a pair before you undermine this industry any further. If the plane shouldn't fly (for example: major defects, defects crews aren't comfortable with, flying without being compensated with a paycheque) then it shouldn't fly, pilots call.

i figure your an owner/operator of a company like sb, or your a pilot still flying for a company like sb

For the record, I am neither an owner/operator or a pilot. I also know when to throw the towel in.

1LostPilot · Post by **1LostPilot** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:20 am

Thats why you'll hear Ranj Gill asking us not to write up so much in the logbooks, because we always did. no one from the company ever flew the planes if we weren't satisfied with them on that flight. Even small things that seemed to glitch with the instruments or anything for that matter, we would turn back to base and park the plane around back.

Err...Kiss My TCAS, I think you need to re-read Playball's intial post. The point I believe he was trying to make is that they did exactly that - i.e. snag anything they thought was unsafe and therefore ground the a/c.

KISS_MY_TCAS · Post by **KISS_MY_TCAS** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:31 am

Err...Kiss My TCAS, I think you need to re-read Playball's intial post.

Oops, I stand corrected. My apologies to Playball, I overlooked his original post. But I still think there are more questions than answers here. Would be interesting to hear from one of the guys in mtce from SB. But I still do stand by this:

When your employment gets to the point of covertly videotaping someone telling you not to write things up and you think yourself a hero for capturing it on tape, you don't belong in this industry period. The person holding the camera has proven himself one of the biggest jackasses in this industry.

KISS_MY_TCAS · Post by **KISS_MY_TCAS** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:38 am

double post

2low · Post by **2low** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:38 am

Ya check it out...Navair killz. Company can rot in hell. (owner and son)

@#$! that company.....fuckin killerz .any questions? bring it!!!!!!!!!!!

Playball · Post by **Playball** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:56 am

np tcas. anyways, see what i mean, no joke here. sb pilots didnt do shit for the company. we didnt push limits or fly unsafe for them. funny enough were now finding out that their were so many things missed for inspections on the aircraft that we were flying them without knowing these things. but instead of taking the a/c up when something was wrong with it, we always grounded them and wrote it up in the logbook. u think if we really cared about keeping our jobs instead of flying with working airplanes, we would have flown them all the time and Ranjit wouldnt have given us that lecture about writing the planes up. Like we gave a shit about losing business or contracts, we wanted to fly a safe plane. even when they tried to scare us with firing someone, or cuting back hours, we didnt budge. thats why this whole oppertunity with the media and the issues with smaller carriers are now a bigger topic then before, we're keeping the story going to get a message across, allow people to see the side of aviation they dont see behind a ticket counter, you wont get a better view or understanding of the situation unless you hear it from the pilots themselfs.

Playball · Post by **Playball** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:59 am

hope im making sense, im sure theirs a lot of spelling and grammer errors in my last post, but im writting quick so i can sleep, a little late. anyways, take care guys.. have a good night.

2low · Post by **2low** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:15 am

Anybody know how I can get ahold of Ranj? Im looking where I can send my dozen lased Valentines roses.

2low · Post by **2low** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:22 am

edited cause it was edited