Bertuzzi is nothing but a sucker punching, crybaby coward. Lets see he needs to attack a smaller player, from behind, to avenge a clean hit on an even more gutless loser.
Naslund was doing something stupid in the neutral zone and he paid the price. http://www.divealanche.com/imagefiles/moore_naslund.gif
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Whether or not Moore's original hit on Naslund was "clean" or not, his level of talent, and anything he has said since the incident are not relevant to the validity of his suit against Bertuzzi, the Canucks and NHL . But in any case, Naslund himself said it was a clean hit and that he got caught with his head down. He made that statement in interviews following that first game, and long before Bertuzzi's actions.
Fighting is part of hockey, and when you play in the NHL you are consenting to being hit, punched, and otherwise battered by other players. That's why fights in hockey do not normally subject the instigator to criminal assault charges. However, there are limits on that implied consent. Bertuzzi exceeded those limits when he chased, attacked, and sucker punched Moore from behind. That is why Bertuzzi was charged with, plead guilty to, and was convicted of assault.
There is no question at law that Moore is entitled to compensation for the injuries inflicted upon him by Bertuzzi. Bertuzzi committed a criminal act against Moore that caused serious and long term injuries, and in doing so showed a reckless disregard for the consequences of his actions. The only things to be determined will be how many dollars Moore gets, and how the responsibility is apportioned to the various respondents. Obviously, his claim for $15 million is a starting point for negotiations and not what anyone expects him to ultimately get. His potential earnings, on and off ice, and what he has done to mitigate the affect of the injuries will be negotiation points in determining his compensation. I doubt this case will ever see a courtroom; a settlement will be negotiated in the offices of some Bay St law firm and the award will not be made public.
As for Moore's parent's claim; unadulterated ambulance chasing.
Fighting is part of hockey, and when you play in the NHL you are consenting to being hit, punched, and otherwise battered by other players. That's why fights in hockey do not normally subject the instigator to criminal assault charges. However, there are limits on that implied consent. Bertuzzi exceeded those limits when he chased, attacked, and sucker punched Moore from behind. That is why Bertuzzi was charged with, plead guilty to, and was convicted of assault.
There is no question at law that Moore is entitled to compensation for the injuries inflicted upon him by Bertuzzi. Bertuzzi committed a criminal act against Moore that caused serious and long term injuries, and in doing so showed a reckless disregard for the consequences of his actions. The only things to be determined will be how many dollars Moore gets, and how the responsibility is apportioned to the various respondents. Obviously, his claim for $15 million is a starting point for negotiations and not what anyone expects him to ultimately get. His potential earnings, on and off ice, and what he has done to mitigate the affect of the injuries will be negotiation points in determining his compensation. I doubt this case will ever see a courtroom; a settlement will be negotiated in the offices of some Bay St law firm and the award will not be made public.
As for Moore's parent's claim; unadulterated ambulance chasing.
The hit on Naslund was a little late. But it was a hit on one of the games star players. To go after a team's top player is asking for trouble and this fact is well known by those who play the game and those who watch it closely.
What chaps my ass is Moore is, like a typical american, trying to get rich quick. 19.5 million? That was a missprint right? Insane. His parents are trying to cash in also. From juries paying idiots who spill coffee on themselves in a macdonalds to criminals who break into your home and fall down the stairs you can't blame the guy for trying. He did file in Canada though so he might get a more reasonable amount. Lifetime supply of Timmy's should do it. Moore go away...
What chaps my ass is Moore is, like a typical american, trying to get rich quick. 19.5 million? That was a missprint right? Insane. His parents are trying to cash in also. From juries paying idiots who spill coffee on themselves in a macdonalds to criminals who break into your home and fall down the stairs you can't blame the guy for trying. He did file in Canada though so he might get a more reasonable amount. Lifetime supply of Timmy's should do it. Moore go away...
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Sorry shitdisturber, but that was not a clean hit on Naslund. Wilbur. Hmm, I'm not aware that Naslund stated that he was hit clean - only that he had his head down. However, he did have a sore knee.
Both incidents happened during a scheduled NHL league game, and therefore does and should have something to do with the suit. No, Burtuzzi should not have done what he did, but the NHL and its lack of intervention prior to the incident should be ridiculed. They have let Burtuzzi hang. Moore has the right to seek compensation, but his parents?
Both incidents happened during a scheduled NHL league game, and therefore does and should have something to do with the suit. No, Burtuzzi should not have done what he did, but the NHL and its lack of intervention prior to the incident should be ridiculed. They have let Burtuzzi hang. Moore has the right to seek compensation, but his parents?
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As much as I despise the Avalanche (I'm a die-hard Red Wings fan, and I've hated CO ever since Claude Lemieux' cheap-shot on Draper), I tend to be far more sympathetic with Moore. Bertuzzi got off really easy...far too easy, if you ask me.
How would you guys feel if some punk did something to you that caused you to lose your medical? Your career and lifelong dream would be destroyed. I'm sure every single person here would want justice and retribution (ie. not necessarily revenge). And imagine how much it would sting to find out that the punk that killed your career is still flying!!
How would you guys feel if some punk did something to you that caused you to lose your medical? Your career and lifelong dream would be destroyed. I'm sure every single person here would want justice and retribution (ie. not necessarily revenge). And imagine how much it would sting to find out that the punk that killed your career is still flying!!
"Never travel faster than your guardian angel can fly." - Mother Theresa
Again, Moore was a marginal 4th line player with not much potential at the NHL level.. His career would have been very short at best..
Shitdisturber says:
[/quote]I'm not going on the fact that no penalty was called; I'm going on god only knows how many replays that showed Naslund with his head
down and Moore stepping into him with his shoulder.
For his hit on Naslund, you people must be blind, to think it should not have been a penalty. Just watch the video, he had left his feet. That in my knowlege of the game is a charging penalty. It also appears to me that he made good use of his elbow in the hit. Don't tell me he is so clean.. He is a cheap shot artist trying to make a name for himself whether it be on the ice or off by screwing with the real hockey players..
He goes on to say..
[/quote]As for your "sucker punches happen all the time" comment; that is one of the more ridiculous statements, I've seen.
It shows that you do not know the game of hockey very well.. Now if you want rediculous statements, and I'm not trying to get into a pissing match.. look at some of your own posts..
Cheers
Shitdisturber says:
[/quote]I'm not going on the fact that no penalty was called; I'm going on god only knows how many replays that showed Naslund with his head
down and Moore stepping into him with his shoulder.
For his hit on Naslund, you people must be blind, to think it should not have been a penalty. Just watch the video, he had left his feet. That in my knowlege of the game is a charging penalty. It also appears to me that he made good use of his elbow in the hit. Don't tell me he is so clean.. He is a cheap shot artist trying to make a name for himself whether it be on the ice or off by screwing with the real hockey players..
He goes on to say..
[/quote]As for your "sucker punches happen all the time" comment; that is one of the more ridiculous statements, I've seen.
It shows that you do not know the game of hockey very well.. Now if you want rediculous statements, and I'm not trying to get into a pissing match.. look at some of your own posts..
Cheers
Regardless, he's been playing some phenomenal games for Canada in Torino!
Those who disagree with this topic should re-evaluate their knowledge of the game, it's nature and history. I myself believe Bertuzzi was appropriately punished. But don't take my word for it. After all, Gretzky and fellow NHL VIP's (Pat Quinn, Rob Blake, Joe Sakic to name a few), have personally vouched for Mr. Bertuzzi. You bleeding hearts should take note of "the Great One" and the rest of the NHL, I'm sure they know a thing-or-too about the game of hockey and the surrounding politics.
Otherwise go play baseball
Those who disagree with this topic should re-evaluate their knowledge of the game, it's nature and history. I myself believe Bertuzzi was appropriately punished. But don't take my word for it. After all, Gretzky and fellow NHL VIP's (Pat Quinn, Rob Blake, Joe Sakic to name a few), have personally vouched for Mr. Bertuzzi. You bleeding hearts should take note of "the Great One" and the rest of the NHL, I'm sure they know a thing-or-too about the game of hockey and the surrounding politics.
Otherwise go play baseball
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twotter was that creative editing or are you just dense and missed my point altogether with regards to sucker punches? If you did, I'll try to make it a little clearer. While sucker punches do indeed happen, they don't happen all the time; and the fact that they do happen doesn't make it any less wrong. Hence my analogy using murders; they happen all the time too, but news flash Einstein it's still wrong! You're right of course, I don't know the game at all; I've only been watching and playing it since the sixties, ie back when players would fight each other face to face and not from behind. It's interesting to note that while bench clearing brawls happened with regularity in the sixties and seventies; nobody ever suffered a broken neck in one of em. Coincidence? Or did they just find a partner and go at it face to face?
Mr. North, you don't suppose Gretzky, et al have an agenda do you; such as winning a gold medal? Of course they're going to support him for more reasons than just that. The main reason being, they don't want to have cops looking over their shoulders every time they crack someone in the head with a stick. While I'll agree that whacking a team goon with a stick is not the same as injuring a human being; people like Bert and McSorley and their ilk need to understand that playing a kids game for lots of money doesn't mean you're above the law.
I tend to agree with Don Cherry of all people on this kind of garbage. Hockey players in the old days had a lot more respect for their opponents than is now the case. The incidents involving Bert and McSorley would never have happened a decade or two ago; leaving aside the odd nutcase like Eddie Shore.
Has the incident changed Bert and made him a better human being? From the reports I've read, yes it has. Should it make a difference? No, he has altered someone's life permanently as a result of his stupidity and he's going to have to pay the price for that. For those who believe the loss of salary he "suffered" while suspended is sufficient; give me a break. If you're walking down the street tomorrow and someone jumps you from behind and breaks your neck are you going to be satisfied with them being suspended from their mailroom clerk job for a year as a punishment? Of course not, so why is it any different for Moore?
Mr. North, you don't suppose Gretzky, et al have an agenda do you; such as winning a gold medal? Of course they're going to support him for more reasons than just that. The main reason being, they don't want to have cops looking over their shoulders every time they crack someone in the head with a stick. While I'll agree that whacking a team goon with a stick is not the same as injuring a human being; people like Bert and McSorley and their ilk need to understand that playing a kids game for lots of money doesn't mean you're above the law.
I tend to agree with Don Cherry of all people on this kind of garbage. Hockey players in the old days had a lot more respect for their opponents than is now the case. The incidents involving Bert and McSorley would never have happened a decade or two ago; leaving aside the odd nutcase like Eddie Shore.
Has the incident changed Bert and made him a better human being? From the reports I've read, yes it has. Should it make a difference? No, he has altered someone's life permanently as a result of his stupidity and he's going to have to pay the price for that. For those who believe the loss of salary he "suffered" while suspended is sufficient; give me a break. If you're walking down the street tomorrow and someone jumps you from behind and breaks your neck are you going to be satisfied with them being suspended from their mailroom clerk job for a year as a punishment? Of course not, so why is it any different for Moore?
Neither Bertuzzi or Moore are some sort of scumbags or bad guys. Bertuzzi criminally assaulted Moore and in doing so caused a serious injury. He didn't intend to injury him, and in the circumstances (a hockey game) the assault was not high on the criminality scale. That's why he was given a discharge by the judge. It was a minor crime, notwithstanding the serious injury caused to Moore, and he has been punished for it.
The next part in the legal process is for those repsonsible for Moore's injuries to pay compensation. The punitive portion of Moore's suit is small, and in Canada won't likely be given much attention by a judge. The civil action primarily allows Bertuzzi, et al, to essentially "make right" what they did to Moore. In our system it means you pay money to the person to harmed. Moore is not a bad guy for wanting to be compensated for a life altering injury. He may have only been a fourth line NHL player, but that still makes him an elite level athelete and amoung the best few hundred hockey players in the world at that time.
The next part in the legal process is for those repsonsible for Moore's injuries to pay compensation. The punitive portion of Moore's suit is small, and in Canada won't likely be given much attention by a judge. The civil action primarily allows Bertuzzi, et al, to essentially "make right" what they did to Moore. In our system it means you pay money to the person to harmed. Moore is not a bad guy for wanting to be compensated for a life altering injury. He may have only been a fourth line NHL player, but that still makes him an elite level athelete and amoung the best few hundred hockey players in the world at that time.
How about we all let this go...stick to flying Todd is a personal friend we grew up together and have been teamates for a long long time...Ever play the game? Sometimes you get caught up in the moment...Holly Christ ever do anything you regret..he feels badly what else do you want? An old fashion lynching... I'm out!!
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Joe Boy
cheers,
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Hey shitdisturber, if you think nobody got hurt back in those days, you should do a little research on guys like Wayne Maki, Rocket Richard etc..
Incidents Resulting in Charges
1922 - Sprague Cleghorn injured three Ottawa Senators’ players in a brawl, leading Ottawa police to offer to arrest him.
1955 - Maurice “Rocket” Richard of the Montreal Canadiens was hit on the head by Boston Bruins player Hal Laycoe. Richard retaliated by hitting Laycoe with his stick. When a referee attempted to stop the fight, Richard hit the linesman, too. The NHL suspended Richard for the rest of the season and playoffs. Canadiens fans rioted.
1969 - In a pre-season game, Ted Green of the Boston Bruins and Wayne Maki of the St.Louis Blues were embroiled in a stick-swinging fight that resulted in a fractured skull for Green. Both were acquitted in court. The NHL suspended Maki for 30 days and handed a 13-day suspension to Green.
1975 - Dan Maloney of the Detroit Red Wings attacked Brian Glennie of the Toronto Maple Leafs from behind. Maloney was charged with assault causing bodily harm, but was acquitted.
1975 – Police charged Bruins player Dave Forbes with aggravated assault after a fight with Henry Boucha of the Minnesota North Stars. After a nine-day trial ends with a hung jury, charges against Forbes are dropped.
1977 - Dave "Tiger" Williams of the Toronto Maple Leafs hits Pittsburgh Penguin Dennis Owchar with his stick. He was charged with assault, but acquitted.
1982 - Jimmy Mann of the Winnipeg Jets left the bench and hit Pittsburgh Penguin Paul Gardner, breaking Gardner's jaw in two places. Police charged Mann, who was fined $500 and given a suspended sentence in Winnipeg.
1988 - Dino Ciccarelli hit Leafs defenceman Luke Richardson with his stick. Charged and convicted of assault, he is sentenced to one day in jail and fined $1,000.
2000 - Marty McSorley of the Boston Bruins hit Vancouver Canuck Donald Brashear in the head with his stick. McSorley was convicted of assault and given an 18-month conditional discharge.
2004 - Todd Bertuzzi of the Vancouver Canucks sucker-punched Steve Moore of the Colorado Avalanche, knocking Moore unconscious, and then drove Moore head-first into the ice. Moore sustained two chipped vertebrae, a concussion, and facial lacerations. Bertuzzi was charged by police, and given a conditional discharge after pleading guilty to assault causing bodily harm. His suspenion resulted in a loss of $500,000 in pay and the Canucks were fined $250,000.
http://www.answers.com/topic/violence-in-ice-hockey
Todd's far from the first guy to be involved in an incident like this but he is sure taking more heat than the others ever did..
Incidents Resulting in Charges
1922 - Sprague Cleghorn injured three Ottawa Senators’ players in a brawl, leading Ottawa police to offer to arrest him.
1955 - Maurice “Rocket” Richard of the Montreal Canadiens was hit on the head by Boston Bruins player Hal Laycoe. Richard retaliated by hitting Laycoe with his stick. When a referee attempted to stop the fight, Richard hit the linesman, too. The NHL suspended Richard for the rest of the season and playoffs. Canadiens fans rioted.
1969 - In a pre-season game, Ted Green of the Boston Bruins and Wayne Maki of the St.Louis Blues were embroiled in a stick-swinging fight that resulted in a fractured skull for Green. Both were acquitted in court. The NHL suspended Maki for 30 days and handed a 13-day suspension to Green.
1975 - Dan Maloney of the Detroit Red Wings attacked Brian Glennie of the Toronto Maple Leafs from behind. Maloney was charged with assault causing bodily harm, but was acquitted.
1975 – Police charged Bruins player Dave Forbes with aggravated assault after a fight with Henry Boucha of the Minnesota North Stars. After a nine-day trial ends with a hung jury, charges against Forbes are dropped.
1977 - Dave "Tiger" Williams of the Toronto Maple Leafs hits Pittsburgh Penguin Dennis Owchar with his stick. He was charged with assault, but acquitted.
1982 - Jimmy Mann of the Winnipeg Jets left the bench and hit Pittsburgh Penguin Paul Gardner, breaking Gardner's jaw in two places. Police charged Mann, who was fined $500 and given a suspended sentence in Winnipeg.
1988 - Dino Ciccarelli hit Leafs defenceman Luke Richardson with his stick. Charged and convicted of assault, he is sentenced to one day in jail and fined $1,000.
2000 - Marty McSorley of the Boston Bruins hit Vancouver Canuck Donald Brashear in the head with his stick. McSorley was convicted of assault and given an 18-month conditional discharge.
2004 - Todd Bertuzzi of the Vancouver Canucks sucker-punched Steve Moore of the Colorado Avalanche, knocking Moore unconscious, and then drove Moore head-first into the ice. Moore sustained two chipped vertebrae, a concussion, and facial lacerations. Bertuzzi was charged by police, and given a conditional discharge after pleading guilty to assault causing bodily harm. His suspenion resulted in a loss of $500,000 in pay and the Canucks were fined $250,000.
http://www.answers.com/topic/violence-in-ice-hockey
Todd's far from the first guy to be involved in an incident like this but he is sure taking more heat than the others ever did..
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Geez twotter, you really need to learn to read. Did I say no one ever got hurt? Of course not, I even made specific mention of Eddie Shore as a nutcase did I not? You didn't even mention his attack on Ace Bailey which resulted in permanent and eventually fatal injuries to Bailey. As for the other incidents in your little report; I remember most of them or at least have read about them.
Going through your list: 1) never heard of Cleghorn but that was the only incident you found between the inception of the league and the fifties.
2) the Rocket by all accounts was a complete nut, gifted but vicious
3) the incident between Maki and Green was at least between two consenting adults, if you're going to get into a stick swinging fight you have to expect the other guy to try to nail you one since you're trying to do the same, where's the relevance to an attack from behind?
4) I watched that game and remember the incident well, does anybody not think Maloney was nuts? The guy was dribbling Glennie like a basketball, and go figure, it started with a sucker punch on an unsuspecting victim.
5) I don't remember too much about that one but at least it was supposedly a fight, implying the guy knew he had an opponent, not like you know who
6) The Tiger, does anybody not think he was crazy?
7)Don't remember too much of the details on that one but go figure, another blind side, and that's the era where helmets and visors started making an appearance and people started to have less respect for their opponents
If memory serves Dino snapped, and didn't hit Richardson once but a bunch of times for no apparent reason, there's another nutcase which seems to me I mentioned, and another point in my argument of a lack of respect
9) McSorley, seems to me I've mentioned him as an example of a lack of respect.
Why is Bert paying such a price? Keep in mind that incidents like that are far more visible nowadays than they were in the 60's 70's or 80's. As for the size of his fine, so what, to him it's reasonably peanuts. I'm willing to bet the amount of money the Rocket lost as a result of his insanity hurt him more than Bert's been hurt. It certainly didn't help his case that it seemed to be premeditated. Had various individuals on the Nucks not beaked off after the initial incident about how they were going to "settle the score" up to and including Crawford's inflammatory remarks, he probably wouldn't have gotten the penalty he did. Even the eventual civil settlement he's looking at would probably be considerably less. Since those stupid remarks were made; it looked planned, and it's going to cost him, bigtime. The other incidents in your list at least were spontaneous, even if Bert's was as well, it's not going to be seen as such; and no I don't think for a second he meant to hurt the guy, I actually believe his remorse after the incident was genuine. But it doesn't change the fact that he permanently injured the guy one bit.
Going through your list: 1) never heard of Cleghorn but that was the only incident you found between the inception of the league and the fifties.
2) the Rocket by all accounts was a complete nut, gifted but vicious
3) the incident between Maki and Green was at least between two consenting adults, if you're going to get into a stick swinging fight you have to expect the other guy to try to nail you one since you're trying to do the same, where's the relevance to an attack from behind?
4) I watched that game and remember the incident well, does anybody not think Maloney was nuts? The guy was dribbling Glennie like a basketball, and go figure, it started with a sucker punch on an unsuspecting victim.
5) I don't remember too much about that one but at least it was supposedly a fight, implying the guy knew he had an opponent, not like you know who
6) The Tiger, does anybody not think he was crazy?
7)Don't remember too much of the details on that one but go figure, another blind side, and that's the era where helmets and visors started making an appearance and people started to have less respect for their opponents
If memory serves Dino snapped, and didn't hit Richardson once but a bunch of times for no apparent reason, there's another nutcase which seems to me I mentioned, and another point in my argument of a lack of respect9) McSorley, seems to me I've mentioned him as an example of a lack of respect.
Why is Bert paying such a price? Keep in mind that incidents like that are far more visible nowadays than they were in the 60's 70's or 80's. As for the size of his fine, so what, to him it's reasonably peanuts. I'm willing to bet the amount of money the Rocket lost as a result of his insanity hurt him more than Bert's been hurt. It certainly didn't help his case that it seemed to be premeditated. Had various individuals on the Nucks not beaked off after the initial incident about how they were going to "settle the score" up to and including Crawford's inflammatory remarks, he probably wouldn't have gotten the penalty he did. Even the eventual civil settlement he's looking at would probably be considerably less. Since those stupid remarks were made; it looked planned, and it's going to cost him, bigtime. The other incidents in your list at least were spontaneous, even if Bert's was as well, it's not going to be seen as such; and no I don't think for a second he meant to hurt the guy, I actually believe his remorse after the incident was genuine. But it doesn't change the fact that he permanently injured the guy one bit.
Permanent injury my ass.. This clown seems, to me and many others, to be the same as the jackasses who milk insurance companies or WCB with their claims..
Anyhow, it appears that we will have to agree to disagree.. I've got better things to do than argue about this with you..
Anyhow, it appears that we will have to agree to disagree.. I've got better things to do than argue about this with you..
I'm afraid that there are a few facts being over-looked here, just for starters:
1) Steve Moore may well have been a marginal player, but that really misses the point. All he has to do is accumulate 400 games played in the NHL to qualify for the NHLPA Pension. He could have accumulated those games over a career spent between the AHL and the NHL. THAT is the very reason that many players stay with AHL teams for a career because they've played in the NHL on "call-ups" and are getting close to that 400 "mark". Once that pension "kicks-in" they receive that until age 55 and at that point get a one-time cheque "cut' for $250,000 USD and then continue on to receive the pension they were getting before that age.
2) The bottom salary that a player receives in the NHL is slightly in excess of $800,000 USD per year, so the statement of some "study" is incorrect.
3) The ONLY reason that there's a "hoopla" over Bertuzzi vs Moore is because Bertuzzi is a player of high profile and Moore wasn't. Let Bertuzzi be some unknown player and the "hoopla" would have died a long time ago. If Bertuzzi had done the exact same thing to a Sydney Crosby, he would have found out that the reaction of the NHL would have been even swifter and more severe AND the lawsuit from Crosby and his parents would have made the present lawsuit pale in comparison.
4) The lawsuit was made at this time because of the Statute of Limitations in Ontario and if they waited until the Olympics were over it would have been too late........and the lawyer for Moore explained that and apologized for the timing. The Colorado Judge would not hear it because he said it was a BC problem and the time for suing for that in BC had now elapsed. Moore is a resident of Ontario and that's why it was acted-on there. The amounts of lawsuits mean nothing because you always go for some exorbitant figure in order to get the figure you really want. That applies in all lawsuits and not just this only.........any lawyer will tell you that.
To me, it makes no difference about the "piling-on" after the punch that undoubtedly worsened Moore's injury. It was Bertuzzi who caused the whole event to take place and therefore the blame for ANY injuries to himself or anyone else lies with him......and ONLY him because it was HE who started the chain of events. The "piling-on" also resulted from what HE started and without him involved, it's highly unlikely that any "piling-on" of Moore would have taken place . It also makes no difference whatsoever whether beruzzi MEANT to cause that much harm to Moore. He wouldn't be the first person to stand in a courtroom and say the same thing, so in the eyes of the law, that statement means little. The fact that Moore had only played in the NHL for a short while and was considered at that time a "marginal player' by some reports also carries "little water". The records show that that statement also applied to other NHL players in the past and those same kind of statements were also made by so-called "experts" and "knowledgeable hockey people". The list is longer than one thinks and I'll start with two.......Maurice "Rocket" Richard and Mark Messier. Check back on the records of the WHA concerning the first two years of Messier's career and he's another "Moore" and they were saying the exact same thing about him. He did nothing until he joined a guy named Gretsky and Sather on a team called the Edmonton Oilers. Richard wasn't supposed to be big enough and was supposed to be "injury-prone". I guess the "experts' were wrong.........again.
1) Steve Moore may well have been a marginal player, but that really misses the point. All he has to do is accumulate 400 games played in the NHL to qualify for the NHLPA Pension. He could have accumulated those games over a career spent between the AHL and the NHL. THAT is the very reason that many players stay with AHL teams for a career because they've played in the NHL on "call-ups" and are getting close to that 400 "mark". Once that pension "kicks-in" they receive that until age 55 and at that point get a one-time cheque "cut' for $250,000 USD and then continue on to receive the pension they were getting before that age.
2) The bottom salary that a player receives in the NHL is slightly in excess of $800,000 USD per year, so the statement of some "study" is incorrect.
3) The ONLY reason that there's a "hoopla" over Bertuzzi vs Moore is because Bertuzzi is a player of high profile and Moore wasn't. Let Bertuzzi be some unknown player and the "hoopla" would have died a long time ago. If Bertuzzi had done the exact same thing to a Sydney Crosby, he would have found out that the reaction of the NHL would have been even swifter and more severe AND the lawsuit from Crosby and his parents would have made the present lawsuit pale in comparison.
4) The lawsuit was made at this time because of the Statute of Limitations in Ontario and if they waited until the Olympics were over it would have been too late........and the lawyer for Moore explained that and apologized for the timing. The Colorado Judge would not hear it because he said it was a BC problem and the time for suing for that in BC had now elapsed. Moore is a resident of Ontario and that's why it was acted-on there. The amounts of lawsuits mean nothing because you always go for some exorbitant figure in order to get the figure you really want. That applies in all lawsuits and not just this only.........any lawyer will tell you that.
To me, it makes no difference about the "piling-on" after the punch that undoubtedly worsened Moore's injury. It was Bertuzzi who caused the whole event to take place and therefore the blame for ANY injuries to himself or anyone else lies with him......and ONLY him because it was HE who started the chain of events. The "piling-on" also resulted from what HE started and without him involved, it's highly unlikely that any "piling-on" of Moore would have taken place . It also makes no difference whatsoever whether beruzzi MEANT to cause that much harm to Moore. He wouldn't be the first person to stand in a courtroom and say the same thing, so in the eyes of the law, that statement means little. The fact that Moore had only played in the NHL for a short while and was considered at that time a "marginal player' by some reports also carries "little water". The records show that that statement also applied to other NHL players in the past and those same kind of statements were also made by so-called "experts" and "knowledgeable hockey people". The list is longer than one thinks and I'll start with two.......Maurice "Rocket" Richard and Mark Messier. Check back on the records of the WHA concerning the first two years of Messier's career and he's another "Moore" and they were saying the exact same thing about him. He did nothing until he joined a guy named Gretsky and Sather on a team called the Edmonton Oilers. Richard wasn't supposed to be big enough and was supposed to be "injury-prone". I guess the "experts' were wrong.........again.
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I'd forgotten about that with regards to Richard; if memory serves, the exact phrase was "brittle" after he had two or three broken ankles in a short period of time. In fact, had he not joined the Habs during WW2 when a lot of stars were overseas; he might never have made it off the farm team. By the time the war was over of course; he was a star. Sometimes timing is everything.LH wrote:
The records show that that statement also applied to other NHL players in the past and those same kind of statements were also made by so-called "experts" and "knowledgeable hockey people". The list is longer than one thinks and I'll start with two.......Maurice "Rocket" Richard and Mark Messier. Check back on the records of the WHA concerning the first two years of Messier's career and he's another "Moore" and they were saying the exact same thing about him. He did nothing until he joined a guy named Gretsky and Sather on a team called the Edmonton Oilers. Richard wasn't supposed to be big enough and was supposed to be "injury-prone". I guess the "experts' were wrong.........again.
It also works the other way also. The record shows that 13% of all "First Round Draft Picks" EVER turn-out to be anything near what they were supposed to be. So a "marginal player" with only two years under his belt means that he's never going to be anything or might live to play 15-20 years in the NHL and just take longer to develop. I'm tired of so-called "knowledgeable hockey people" and their forcasts of 10 years into the future. Ottawa Senators paid "the next coming" a big fancy salary before he'd even played one game and he fizzled real bad and that was Alexandre Daigle. Montreal Canadiens did the same for another "second-coming" by the name of Doug Wickenheiser and he did "diddley" and five years later was history. Montreal Canadiens had another defenseman that was also "marginal" and was up and down from their farm team because he couldn't skate well enough. He did okay though because the name Terry harper is in the Hall of Fame and he got 5 Stanley Cup rings.
