Any info on a YYJ incident...?

teacher · Post by **teacher** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:21 am

Have they been doing the SB or NavAir work?

Tibor · Post by **Tibor** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:46 am

And yet this company is receiving butt-loads of resumes everyday from pilots, half of which probably read these forums and know better than to pay for their training or work for these companies.....but whatever gets you ahead right????

I hate people.

1LostPilot · Post by **1LostPilot** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:24 pm

Yes they have expanded out to Vancouver with two Navajos and 1 C310. Apparently the operation wasnt too bad to work for until they went to Vancouver and all the pilots quit on the same day

So what does that say? Judging by the official looking guys in the blue jackets talking to them the other morning, it seems that TC is taking an acute intererst in them too.....

Timone123 · Post by **Timone123** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:51 pm

bizjet_mania wrote:Yes they have expanded out to Vancouver with two Navajos and 1 C310. Apparently the operation wasnt too bad to work for until they went to Vancouver and all the pilots quit on the same day

Apparently they were always bad to work for. I never worked for them, but know a few that did. From what I've heard a very shady operation with an even shadier owner. Also heard that many people got taken for the PPC and surprise surprise - no flying. If you do get to fly then expect to be pushed to break the regs on a regular basis. Why people subject themselves to this level of abuse is beyond my comprehension. I know how bad the hunger can be, but you have to draw the line somewhere and these guys seem to be miles past the line. You might as well flush your career down the toilet I suppose.

170 to xray · Post by **170 to xray** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 7:57 pm

That's K9's second C310 down. KBL was written off in Thompson quite a few years ago.

V1 · Post by V1 » Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:30 pm

I have heard that many people have taken jobs with this company, but quite right away. I have heard some very shady stories, and i am glad TC is taking an interest because i don't want anymore of my friends dying out of YVR. This year has been hard enough.

Canus Chinookus · Post by **Canus Chinookus** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:42 pm

AHhh, the memories. Back in the late 90's, Lockhart tried to scam me into paying $5000 for a 310 check-out. I decided he could go to hell and found a captain job on a chieftain at no charge to me. These jackasses are everywhere.

1LostPilot · Post by **1LostPilot** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 2:31 am

The west coast needs to wake up to these cowboys...

Rocks and sketchy operations do not go hand in hand...if S.B. was ever half good, these guys are bad....please TC ramp these idiots out of BC............

marktheone · Post by **marktheone** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 9:10 am

What company are they hauling for here? It's gotta be DHL. What actually happened at YYJ? Did they land gear up or break a wheel off??

Mark

Edit, whoever said that rocks and shady don't mix is absolutely right. Especially not low time guys from Ontario trying to fly the interior here. March thru to mid May is the worst for ice.

Recipe for disaster.

unregistered · Post by **unregistered** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 9:53 am

1LostPilot wrote: The west coast needs to wake up to these cowboys...

Rocks and sketchy operations do not go hand in hand...if S.B. was ever half good, these guys are bad....please TC ramp these idiots out of BC............

Yes, I know this operation as well, and I agree 100%.

They are an accident looking for a place to happen in Ontario - I can't imagine how they're planning on operating out there.

Blueskies · Post by **Blueskies** » Sun Mar 05, 2006 9:53 am

Does Transport really do anything about these types of problems. I'm wondering how many guys must have stepped up and had something to say about this and still nothing. I'm becoming more and more convinced that TC doesn't really do anything except dictate CARs and try to weasle out of the 'interpretation'. Ever tried to get a TC guy to put his/her interpretation on paper?!!

Peace in the middle-east is easier!!

wha happen · Post by **wha happen** » Sun Mar 05, 2006 10:03 am

These guys actually called me for a job around x-mas. I flew out to toronto-buttonville a week later, on my own dime for the record, only to show up and the guy that i had been talking to wasnt there, and nobody in the place knew who the hell i was.

So after the $750 ticket, i was informed that they had just hired three guys. And I thought I heard something about HRDC paying for those PPC's. I cant confirm the salary as we never talked about it, but 18,000, shove that up your ass. All in all not impressed, although knowing now what i didnt know then, im glad i never hopped on board

ei ei owe · Post by **ei ei owe** » Sun Mar 05, 2006 2:19 pm

Anything with some old Skyward blood would seem dodgy to me.
SJP eh.... Good on the flatlands but how well would it perform in the rocks on a crap day?

gonefishin' · Post by **gonefishin'** » Sun Mar 05, 2006 5:50 pm

Ne><jet out of Buttonville, lost their Ford / GM runs so they thought they could take a run out West... Good LucK!

Were doing the BDC runs for a couple of weeks, then had the YYJ incident and pilots quit and TC ramped them... no de-ice equip to run to the interior.. Ravi and Kostas the CP are morons!!!!

Send them packing!

Walker · Post by **Walker** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:57 pm

You see don’t come the airport for 2 weeks and look what you miss!!!
They parked it on my side of the field the same day:

Batt died before I could finish; but they have a 4x4 jamed into the right strut to keep it up...

Over the Horn · Post by **Over the Horn** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:34 pm

what a peice of shit that is!!

Just when you thought we had seen the last of the shitty operators on the coast we get Toronto's left over's. Dammit T.C. if your out there do like you did to Navscare in YYC and solve the problem before it becomes one!

unregistered · Post by **unregistered** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:16 am

Were doing the BDC runs for a couple of weeks, then had the YYJ incident and pilots quit and TC ramped them... no de-ice equip to run to the interior.. Ravi and Kostas the CP are morons!!!!

Send them packing!

I'll second that.

chokodori · Post by **chokodori** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 7:40 pm

who are u guys? All the pilots that quit?

1LostPilot · Post by **1LostPilot** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 7:49 pm

That would be them...word on the south side is that the Ontario guys all quit one morning.

I think they must be using some YVR guys now and the CP is flying one of the routes as well apparently...

station60 · Post by **station60** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:43 am

Hey all,

I used to work for this guy out of Buttonville (CYKZ) I have to say, without a word of a lie it was _the_ darkest time period of my life. The owner, in my opinion is a ruthless man who will stop at nothing to keep his ill-fated business alive.

Sadly enough when I started with him I was naive. I paid for my PPC and still regret it to this day.

On the day that I quit I went to Transport Canada to report all the wrong-doing's that he has been doing. I interviewed with Transport on many occasions in a "tell-all" format, so that he doesn't kill any of my fellow colleagues. Unfortunatly, we have nothing to be proud of when it comes to our regulatory body (Transport Canada). All they have done since the 2 years have passed is drag their collective asses on the ground. Trust me, they have AMPLE evidence to shut this guy down, but they continue to let him squeak by. At least 6 of the other pilots that quit from there have also gone to the TC, some of them are even involved in long-drawn out lawsuits.

I have since removed all entries of the flying I did there from my logbook, and set myself back about a year of my flying career. I want nothing to do with this man or his company. I have since been very fortunate to gain work as a pilot elsewhere on a heavy turbine as a First Officer. I am one of the lucky ones.

What is it going to take to stop this man, and all the others like him? A fatality? Maybe 2 or 3 fatalities? Who knows. All I know is that I did all I could. I told TC all I knew. I lost out on six thousand dollars because I was stupid, desperate, young and naive. I set myself back, I regret going to him at all. In my mind, he is the root of all evil when it comes to the aviation industry in Canada. The sad thing is that he is one of many.

There is a bright side to this. I now work for a very fair, stable and compassionate company that pays me well (upwards of 46k to start), so for those of you still in the game, don't give up. There are fair, decent companies out there who want you to succeed just as much as they want to prosper. It's unfortuante that we live in a society where this happens. Don't let it kill you.

Station60

charlie_g · Post by **charlie_g** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:55 am

station60 wrote:On the day that I quit I went to Transport Canada to report all the wrong-doing's that he has been doing. I interviewed with Transport on many occasions in a "tell-all" format, so that he doesn't kill any of my fellow colleagues. Unfortunatly, we have nothing to be proud of when it comes to our regulatory body (Transport Canada). All they have done since the 2 years have passed is drag their collective asses on the ground. Trust me, they have AMPLE evidence to shut this guy down, but they continue to let him squeak by. At least 6 of the other pilots that quit from there have also gone to the TC, some of them are even involved in long-drawn out lawsuits.

Someone should get the media involved in cases like this. Give them the goods and let them run with it. Transport would be forced to make some comment one way or another, and then there`d be something to grind them on. God knows how much the media loves aviation horror stories, or better yet, horror stories waiting to happen. It could be done anonymously.

might be · Post by **might be** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:37 pm

The aircraft are all on the ground in CYVR today and the contracter says they will not be flying for a while. Anybody have any more info on this. Is it going to be for a long time?

"ROGER" · Post by **"ROGER"** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 2:02 pm

...not too familiar with Nexjets past, however I do know that they are flying 500-600hrs guys as pic into the interior. I really hope that they are fully aware of what they are getting themselves into. But how could they with so little time on the A/C and knowledge of the terrain.

flyinhigh · Post by **flyinhigh** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 2:24 pm

looks like said operator is no more folks, about time if you ask me.
I just wish TC would buckle down so that accidents and incidents wouldn't happen.

The Ex · Post by **The Ex** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:11 pm

Sorry I'm new on here (back from the past), which Skyward planes have crashed since it's closure? SJP and what else? Haven't had a chance to read all the posts.

Any info on a YYJ incident...?

YYJ Crash. I used to work for him.

Re: YYJ Crash. I used to work for him.