u.s. maintenance on canadian airplane

helinas · Post by **helinas** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 5:15 am

Hi guys,
I am trying to find out if a canadian registered aircraft has maintenance performed on it down in the states should the work done on it be written in the canadian technical log of that particular aircraft?

thanks guys

helinas

Hedley · Post by **Hedley** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 6:58 am

Of course! A 337 should be prepared if required.

P.S. Where else should the maintenance be recorded?!

kilpicki · Post by **kilpicki** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 8:05 am

Lets take our Citation down to a U.S service center for a phase 5, do all the latest mods AD's and S.B's on the engines have a new weight and ballance done as it was painted but lets not enter anything in the tech logs.
Phew.

PITA · Post by **PITA** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 5:49 pm

No - record it in the technical records of another aircraft.

Eagle Eye · Post by **Eagle Eye** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 8:07 pm

To be more accurate than the rest of you....
The maintenance must be entered into the Journey log and certified by the A&P. The Tech log entry can be transcribed by the owner within the following 30 days.

Theman · Post by **Theman** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 9:10 pm

The reason of course is because CARs requires it.
Also depends on the capability of the repair organisation, make sure they can do the job legally, ie it is covered by the scope of their setup.

Billy · Post by **Billy** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:41 pm

Just for the hell of it lets tell him the place that allows it!!

http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/certi ... hed.htm#42

Eagle Eye · Post by **Eagle Eye** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:45 pm

Way to go Billy. Now for a little fine "tooning".

The Bi-Lateral Agreement doesn't authorize an A&P to certify the Annual Inspection on a Canadian registered aircraft, this must be done by a Canadian AME. In addition, a Commercially registered aircraft can not be certified by an A&P outside of an FAA approved repair station.

...and more. If you have modifications done, FAA Field Approvals ceritified on a Form 337 are unacceptable in Canada.

There you go helinas...some good free training to keep you on the level....and out of jail.

Hornblower · Post by **Hornblower** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:51 pm

Hedley wrote:Of course! A 337 should be prepared if required.

P.S. Where else should the maintenance be recorded?!

Hedley, what in the heck would you need a 337 for?

Hornblower · Post by **Hornblower** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:57 pm

Eagle Eye wrote:To be more accurate than the rest of you....
The maintenance must be entered into the Journey log and certified by the A&P. The Tech log entry can be transcribed by the owner within the following 30 days.

Wrong actually. The maintenance must be entered in the tech log, ... that is the tech log other than the journey log. Scheduled maintenance doesn't need to be entered into the journey log at all.

In any case, regardless of where or when the maintenance is entered in any log, a maintenance release will need to be signed for any maintenance performed prior to flight. Feel free to have the maintenance release signed on the back of your pack of smokes if you want. You will have to transcribe it to the tech log within 30 days however.

Hornblower · Post by **Hornblower** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 7:01 pm

Eagle Eye wrote:The Bi-Lateral Agreement doesn't authorize an A&P to certify the Annual Inspection on a Canadian registered aircraft, this must be done by a Canadian AME.

Wrong again, anyone in the States that is eligable to sign an annual on an American aircraft, can sign one on a Canadian aircraft.

I've told you before, ... do not believe anything in TC policy documents that are not supported by legislation.

Hornblower · Post by **Hornblower** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 7:14 pm

helinas wrote:Hi guys,
I am trying to find out if a canadian registered aircraft has maintenance performed on it down in the states should the work done on it be written in the canadian technical log of that particular aircraft?

thanks guys

helinas

The reality is they can enter the maintenance anywhere they want to, on any work report, piece of paper or log book. As long as you have a maintenance release that complies with CAR 571.10 before you take off, (and there are no outstanding snags, defects, or past due tasks), you are good to go.

Any major mods or repairs will need to be reported in accordance with 571.12, ... and no, not on an FAA 337 form.

Theman · Post by **Theman** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 9:18 pm

The 337 form is the US equivalent (kind of) of our Major Mod/Repair form. It supports maintenance done to an aircraft such as Repairs and Modifications.

A US maintenance entry can be done on 337s even on a Canadian registered aircraft, for example to describe a STC incorporation.

However, the owner/operater of the Canadian registered aircraft must submit the Major Mod form within 30 days.

The 337 (plus approved data packages) in this case would be the supporting documentation that would prove that the work was accomplished.

Hornblower · Post by **Hornblower** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 6:26 pm

Theman wrote:The 337 form is the US equivalent (kind of) of our Major Mod/Repair form. It supports maintenance done to an aircraft such as Repairs and Modifications.

A US maintenance entry can be done on 337s even on a Canadian registered aircraft, for example to describe a STC incorporation.

However, the owner/operater of the Canadian registered aircraft must submit the Major Mod form within 30 days.

Yes good point, as long as the 337 had everything that is required to be on the reporting form required by 571.12 and the associated standard. I am of the opinion however, that even if it meant copying the info to the 571.12 form (previously known as a 24-0045) you would be farther ahead. I think that if a TC inspector (one of the opinionated variety, of which there are many) would probably not accept it without a hassle. Best just submit the proper form, and make your life simpler.

CID · Post by **CID** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 7:03 am

The 337 form is the US equivalent (kind of) of our Major Mod/Repair form. It supports maintenance done to an aircraft such as Repairs and Modifications

You have to be a little bit careful. A 337 is just fine for documenting maintenance. However, as far as modifications go, it certainly can cause grief. An FAA field approval is normally recorded on a 337. The field approval process allows FAA repair stations to approve "one off" modifications without going through the often cumbersome STC process.

It is a policy driven process that is not recognized by the US/Canada bilateral. Therefore, modifications done under field approval must be subject to an airworthiness review by TC before they are accepted.

To make matters even more complicated, the FAA doesn't want to even see 337 forms issued to Canadian registered airplanes. This is in an effort to reduce the administrative burden on their regulators. So quite often, 337 forms doucmenting mods coming from the US have never had engineering oversight.

If you want to have maintenance done in the US, for the most part it's no problem. Mods however a quite a different issue. Make sure you are aware what you're coming away with when you consider modifying your aiplane in the US.

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