Jazz in the news this morning

KAG · Post by **KAG** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 8:30 am

It was on the news that Jazz is looking to expand it's opperation south of the border and get out from under AC thumb. I've heard the rumors in GS, but is this looking like it may become reality? Could mean more jobs if it's true?!?!

Traf · Post by **Traf** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 8:32 am

KAG, that one has been around since AC took over the Regionals. I won't say it is not true, but don't hold your breath.

thrust set · Post by **thrust set** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 1:29 am

They want to expand into some form of capacity agreement with the likes of US Airways or United on some of it's cross border flying. That does not mean for one second that they are trying to "get out from under AC's thumb". Just trying to develop other revenue streams to compliment it's operation. When you operate the number of flights a day that Jazz does for AC you just don't walk away from your cash cow.

My prediction is a signed agreement with US airways and more CRJ 705 will show up on their property. Teplitsky has said that he will entertain any reasonable business plan for more aircraft...re the additional 8 CRJ 200's last fall.

My feeling with talking to some of our union reps at ACPA is they are too consumed with the seniority fight to see the big picture. Case in point, a very high up union rep I was chatting with never knew Jazz operated Vancouver to San Diego/ Vancouver to San Fran/ Edmonton to LA (shortly) and Calgary to LA (shortly).

KAG · Post by **KAG** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 7:48 am

I know Jazz is going to walk away from AC there "cash cow", but diversify alittle so when AC wants to do more of the flying themselves, it won't hurt Jazz so bad.
Having more than 1 customer is always a good thing.
I heard this rumor when hired, and again while on course. Now thats it's in the news, and the media is always bang on with there facts, I just wanted some other opinions.

neophyte · Post by **neophyte** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:47 pm

I personally enjoy flying as a passenger with US Air but would not want to be affilliated with them directly as a pilot.

Speaking with pilots while jumpseating about I have heards stories of lost pensions after years of service while management builds properties on Caribbean islands, etc.

Also, US Air has switch their regional carriers mulitple times over the past 4 years of "in and out of bankruptcy protection". The regional market in the states is cut throat, everyone undercuts everyone else to get contracts.

socrates · Post by **socrates** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:33 pm

Would it not be illegal for Canadian cariers to sign contracts with american carriers to do there regional flying?

exbengal · Post by **exbengal** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:49 pm

probably no more than Americans coming here to do acpa's cargo flying

Jaques Strappe · Post by **Jaques Strappe** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:12 pm

I think that some sort of open skies agreement was signed a few months back too. Something Milton has been pushing for for a long time now.

I hope Jazz doesn't enter into the race to the bottom that the American regionals are going through right now. Comair is a classic example seeing their salaries dwindle so that management can undercut the competion when contracts with legacy carries come up.

It is no different from the sleazy 30 day escape contract of this countries overnight delivery business being awarded to who ever will do it for the cheapest price.

Gurundu the Rat · Post by **Gurundu the Rat** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 5:32 am

I don't think concessions will fly at Jazz. Nobody I fly with is interested in lowering the bar any more than it has been in the past. General feeling around here is that management can shove it if they want to hang a carrot in front of our noses. Pay up, then we'll fly. ...Were not too happy about getting screwed in the "profit sharing" fiasco either. Management better smarten up 'cause the honeymoon's over!

Traf · Post by **Traf** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:21 am

I hope Jazz doesn't enter into the race to the bottom that the American regionals are going through right now. Comair is a classic example seeing their salaries dwindle so that management can undercut the competion when contracts with legacy carries come up.

That was my 1st thought when I heard talk of this little venture. I could easily see our management trying to get us involved in a "pat to play" race.

KAG · Post by **KAG** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:26 am

Gurundu the Rat wrote:I don't think concessions will fly at Jazz. Nobody I fly with is interested in lowering the bar any more than it has been in the past. General feeling around here is that management can shove it if they want to hang a carrot in front of our noses. Pay up, then we'll fly. ...Were not too happy about getting screwed in the "profit sharing" fiasco either. Management better smarten up 'cause the honeymoon's over!

What and when was that?

neophyte · Post by **neophyte** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:47 am

Gurundu,

Sorry but I have to ask, how did you guys get screwed in the profit sharing?

Not too long ago I read that Jazzer's felt they were screwed wrt to layoffs after the company went into protection.

From an outsider, I sounds like you guys are always getting screwed, how does this happen?

Traf · Post by **Traf** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 9:47 am

We did get screwed. The company told us we would be a part of the distribution of the bonus just like all the employees. And, just like typical Jazz management, they are now excluding the pilots by giving us a bullshit song and dance. Not more than a week ago, Chaisson made it very clear that the pilots WERE going to be paid. Now it seems he was either lying (most likely) or he was lied to. Eithr way, they will bone us out of our bonus.

Is that clear enough?

neophyte · Post by **neophyte** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:59 pm

Crystal clear!

Thanks for filling me in Traf, I had no idea.

Sounds pretty corrupt to me. I guess this is a classic case of lack of accountability. Glad to hear you guys have learnt from it.

Regards,

N