Instructor experience

[N2]

Do you feel it's sufficent to allow low time pilots to become flight instructors or should the flight experince level be raised? I.e. 500 hours PIC

PS In reference to class 4 rating.

[cyyz]

Since they'll all complain very shortly...

Mandate all schools to carry, 2 #1's, 2 #2s, 4 #3s and 2 #4s, and they need to increase 2s + 3s for every additional 4 they want to carry....

That way you won't go to a school where they're all class 4s... And the 1,2 and 3's would be getting paid more, since the school would be forced to keep them on staff..

[TenForTwelve]

It's all well and good to want to require instructors to have 500hrs or 1000hrs or whatever, but it won't change the fact that there's no $$ in instructing, and 1000hr instructors are gonna leave for charter jobs. People who are taking flying lessons most likely won't be willing to pay what it costs to keep good instructors; it's the whole Wal-Mart mentality, everything should be cheap.

[bizjet_mania]

How about give more money to the instructors and less to the owners.

[teacher]

More experienced instructors = Better wages to keep instructors = Less people training = Less pilots looking for work = More jobs opinings = Better job security = Better salaries for pilots

Will it ever happen, not a chance.

[w squared]

Most importantly:

If you require potential instructors to have enough hours that they CAN get another job, then the only folks that choose instructing will be the ones who WANT to be instructors. I think that we're fools if we ignore the effect that the motivation level and job satisfaction have on the quality of instruction. Look at the situation on the rotary wing side of the house when it comes to instruction - you can't get a job instructing right after you do your CPL. That means that the people who are instructing have some background in the industry, and they WANT to be where they are. They're also paid a wage that doesn't require becoming a Mr. Noodle expert.

[Dust Devil]

How about give more money to the instructors and less to the owners.

Because the instructors don't deserve it and the owners do.

[x-wind]

More experienced instructors = Better wages to keep instructors = Less people training = Less pilots looking for work = More jobs opinings = Better job security = Better salaries for pilots

Will it ever happen, not a chance.

Response: Star your own Contrails.

[cyyz]

But seriously lads, what's wrong with my idea? You need 5 other classes above 4 in order to employ a 4??? Or some other sort of ratio instead of 1 class 1 who looks after the schools 10 class 4s?

[Dust Devil]

But seriously lads, what's wrong with my idea? You need 5 other classes above 4 in order to employ a 4??? Or some other sort of ratio instead of 1 class 1 who looks after the schools 10 class 4s?

Because it just adds more TC mandated bullshit to the mix. The problem with schools is not the quality of flight instructors but the lie that there is jobs for everyone and the practice of mass producing pilots.

[sakism]

More experienced instructors = Better wages to keep instructors = Less people training = Less pilots looking for work = More jobs opinings = Better job security = Better salaries for pilots

Will it ever happen, not a chance.

More experienced instructors = Better wages to keep instructors = Less people training = Less revenue to flight schools = Lower wages to afford to stay in business = Less experienced instructors

It won't happen because it can't happen.

But seriously lads, what's wrong with my idea? You need 5 other classes above 4 in order to employ a 4??? Or some other sort of ratio instead of 1 class 1 who looks after the schools 10 class 4s?

What about the flight schools that have few aircraft? Instructor wages would still be low, only now they would not fly nearly as much.

What happens if no one of a higher class is available - is the school shut down?

[bob sacamano]

More experienced instructors = Better wages to keep instructors = Less people training = Less pilots looking for work = More jobs opinings = Better job security = Better salaries for pilots

Will it ever happen, not a chance.

More experienced instructors = Better wages to keep instructors = Less people training = Less revenue to flight schools = Lower wages to afford to stay in business = Less experienced instructors

It won't happen because it can't happen.

But seriously lads, what's wrong with my idea? You need 5 other classes above 4 in order to employ a 4??? Or some other sort of ratio instead of 1 class 1 who looks after the schools 10 class 4s?

What about the flight schools that have few aircraft? Instructor wages would still be low, only now they would not fly nearly as much.

Sakism you no longer belong in the flight training threads. Kindly guide yourself and your holier than thou attitude outta here.

P.S. Congrats on your.....200th post

What happens if no one of a higher class is available - is the school shut down?

You hire a hipster doofus.

[KAG]

The system in Canada is set up so once you get a license it’s a license to learn anyway. Chances are your not going to be flogging around in something beyond you ability right out of school. Between insurance mins, CARS mins, and the shear number of pilots in Canada, you’re unlikely as a new pilot to get onto something beyond your ability as PIC.
Less than 1000 hours, other than instructing, your limited to VFR and most likely single engine (unless your two crew and a copilot). Get some time and then you can venture into the SPIFR world or something more complex.

So why only have experienced instructors teach if it’s a license to learn anyway? With that in mind, as a new instructor your supervised by someone with experience – instructional experience. Sure it’s not “industry time” but if our system is set up to take numerous small steps and learn as you go, why is it so imperative that we have 1000-hour class 4’s running around? It’s not, nor will it change.


Cheers.

PS. I'm speaking of students who want to fly for a living. I think the REC permit is a license to kill yourself, and PPL's (with no intent to continue to the CPL) should be taught by someone with higher experience.

[duplicate2]

Shot in the dark here...

90% of the pilots on here were taught by someone with less than 1000 hours TT.

90% of the pilots on here think they are at least "above average" pilots.

Where are all the crappy pilots then?

[. ._]

I was gonna say...Naa.

Edited for stupidity.

[2R]

A similiar question is ' What happens when the lunatics run the loony bin ?'