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Capitalism or Socialism
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Socialism is communism light. It won't work, people lose incentive, corruption goes rampant and everyone pays for the misdeeds and mistakes of the few. That is more or less the society we live in now. For example, look at your car insurance rates. If you have never had an accident claim, why are you paying $1200/yr for insurance? because you are paying for the minority, who are lousy drivers - that is the first tenet of socialism, no accountability. Capitalism has become fascism in a number of supposed democracies for the last number of years, particularly in the U.S. where they are headed for a full blown corporate, fascist dictatorship. The government does not answer to the people, they answer to multinationals. The U.S. govt. is sitting on a debt of 7 trillion. If you think GW and his cabal are paying you have another guess coming. It will come off the backs of the indentured slaves who call themselves citizens of that once great country. Any way you slice it, both systems are screwed, mainly because power corrupts and is way beyond too imbedded to stop any time soon. Thats ok tho, the Ted Turners and Bill Gates of the world have a little game plan to reduce the world pop. by about 75%, apparently everything will be fine after that. That I hear is what this much vaunted nwo is all about.
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Swede -------- I see that you're in the auto repair and auto insurance business now. The world would be so nice and simple to deal with if it was as simple and black and white as you portray it to be. You "paint" the insurance increases as the result ONE reason and forget about all the other factors involved. How about the price rise in auto parts eh? My so-called plastic "bumper" on my car costs $1500 to replace and it cracks much easier than anything steel. If I loose a headlight and it needs replacing that's $489 thank-you very much because I can't buy the light alone anymore. I don't have to have an accident to need those replaced either. I live in an area where there are alot of gravel trucks are travelling the highways and so far in the last 18 months I've replaced 7 windshields at $389 each and I used my $200 deductible for those replacements. Am I considered part of your "minority' for those claims?
You also need to find out how the US $7 trillion dollar debt came to be. How about the $1.9T in foreign debts and loans "written-off" in the last year?. How about the $52B loaned to Russia to stabilize the Ruble so that they could pay their debts at home and abroad that the US will never see again? How about the $55B loaned to Great Britian during WW2 and all they've ever recieved in re-payment to date is $750,000 USD? Care to figure out what the interest on those loans would amount to in today's dollars.........and that's just a short "starter". Start working on the foreign loans that Canada itself has "written-off" and all of a sudden we got "stink-all" for a National Debt. Foreign loans JUST to Carribbean countries that have been "written-off" by Canada over the last 10 years exceeds $1.2B alone.
Life ain't as simple as you'd like it to be Swede and even going for a shit these days can get complicated.
You also need to find out how the US $7 trillion dollar debt came to be. How about the $1.9T in foreign debts and loans "written-off" in the last year?. How about the $52B loaned to Russia to stabilize the Ruble so that they could pay their debts at home and abroad that the US will never see again? How about the $55B loaned to Great Britian during WW2 and all they've ever recieved in re-payment to date is $750,000 USD? Care to figure out what the interest on those loans would amount to in today's dollars.........and that's just a short "starter". Start working on the foreign loans that Canada itself has "written-off" and all of a sudden we got "stink-all" for a National Debt. Foreign loans JUST to Carribbean countries that have been "written-off" by Canada over the last 10 years exceeds $1.2B alone.
Life ain't as simple as you'd like it to be Swede and even going for a shit these days can get complicated.
The car insurance example is a good one to show how how screwed up things may become. My family lives on both sides of the Quebec-ontario border. I own a car business. I think I know how the systems work. Two of my family members got involved in auto accidents in Ontario in the past few years. Both were injured with permanent diabilities. I cannot fathom the amount of time they had to spend in court and visiting various specialists, etc.what a shame this is...
in qhebec, on the other hand, the "socialist' system takes care of everything, which it should.
Now if you want a comparison between capitalistic and socialist systems, the auto insurance is the best case to use. Ask any Quebecer who remembers the old fault system if he would go back to it, and you will get the same answer that the socialist state system is a hundred times better.
Period. Amen!
in qhebec, on the other hand, the "socialist' system takes care of everything, which it should.
Now if you want a comparison between capitalistic and socialist systems, the auto insurance is the best case to use. Ask any Quebecer who remembers the old fault system if he would go back to it, and you will get the same answer that the socialist state system is a hundred times better.
Period. Amen!
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Auto insurance is a private industry in Canada. In Alberta the companies were making such obscene profits that the government had to "regulate" the system so no astronomical prices were being charged.
Auto insurance in Canada was Capitalism at its finest until it became regulated.
Auto insurance in Canada was Capitalism at its finest until it became regulated.
...'its finest? ... what are you smoking? When you are injured in an accident and have to hire a layer, and start a two year legal battle for your hospital fees?x-wind wrote:Auto insurance is a private industry in Canada. In Alberta the companies were making such obscene profits that the government had to "regulate" the system so no astronomical prices were being charged.
Auto insurance in Canada was Capitalism at its finest until it became regulated.
What is good with that system? I lived in it, and outside of it, and believe me the socialist government system we have in Quebec is far superior to whatever other provinces have. Remember that insurance premiums are so expensive in the rest of Canada and the US that at least 10% of the drivers do not bother to get any.
Right now I live in a country that has no insurance at all, and this is still better than Ontario's system!
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Well with all good ya gotta have some bad with some good, no matter which system you like. I live in a province with government auto insurance and nobody can sue anybody else no matter what. Therefore, although I have cheaper insurance than many others, if I loose a leg because of an accident that was completely someone else's fault...........I get $50,000. They have it all itemized what every part of the body is worth and if I don't like it I can stick it up my ass, no matter if the other driver was rich as hell and was horrendouly DUI. The law will see that he's driving again in 10 years and he'll serve 6 years MAX if he was DUI......that's the track-record. I love the "No Fault" deal where it's nobody's fault that I've lost a leg except mine for being in the wrong province at the wrong time. I'm kinda biased though because loosing my career and my leg is worth a tad more than $50,000 to me. Until I loose that leg, "Socialist" auto insurance is great because it's cheap..........loose a body part or loose my life and that's when I'll take the "Captalist" Right to sue.
I've lived under both systems and you wanna improve the rate of accidents and deaths on the and watch insurance rates decrease, then have re-testing every 10 years and watch the screaming that goes on and number of drivers that it takes off the highways. That would take a politician with real "balls" to put that into law. In my province the stats show that on any given day there are 1,449 "reportable" accidents and resultant claims on our highways..........and we got one of the lowest rates in the country supposedly.
I've lived under both systems and you wanna improve the rate of accidents and deaths on the and watch insurance rates decrease, then have re-testing every 10 years and watch the screaming that goes on and number of drivers that it takes off the highways. That would take a politician with real "balls" to put that into law. In my province the stats show that on any given day there are 1,449 "reportable" accidents and resultant claims on our highways..........and we got one of the lowest rates in the country supposedly.
I agree with the 50000 dollar leg, LH, but in Ontario it would take you years of legal battles to get more than (may be) 50k, but you would have huge layer fees, and many medical examinations, etc...
I have one sister who was involved in an accident in Toronto. it took eight years to get some money, and she did not get much! At one point, she wanted to give up on the lawsuit, because of the way she was being treated by the court, and the expert witnesses paid by the insurance company.
What a joke! It is big business protecting other big businesses.
Call it communist of socialist, in some areas, it is better to have a government. In others, things are better taken care of by the private sector.
Housing is in my opinion another are where the government should step in. My experience in communist countries tells me that it does a much better job than private companies, especially in the case of urban planning and housing for the poor.
I have one sister who was involved in an accident in Toronto. it took eight years to get some money, and she did not get much! At one point, she wanted to give up on the lawsuit, because of the way she was being treated by the court, and the expert witnesses paid by the insurance company.
What a joke! It is big business protecting other big businesses.
Call it communist of socialist, in some areas, it is better to have a government. In others, things are better taken care of by the private sector.
Housing is in my opinion another are where the government should step in. My experience in communist countries tells me that it does a much better job than private companies, especially in the case of urban planning and housing for the poor.
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I have a friend whose sister was in a serious car accident three years ago. While not fatal, the accident was quite serious, and has had two main consequences.
#1. She will never be able to hold a steady job again. Her health problems are now to the point that she spends so much time in doctor's offices and hostpitals that she can't reasonably expect an employer to hire her.
#2. She will die in the next 10 years. She is a diabetic, and has been told by her doctors that the accident put so much strain on her system that it has worsened her pre-existing conditions to the point that they don't see her ever fully recovering.
The other driver was 100% at fault in the accident. My friend's sister has spent the past three years either in the hospital or in court. The only reason that she's been able to this is that her husband makes a very reasonable living, and has stood by her throughout.
She has yet to see a single dollar of insurance settlement. The tactic of the company that is responsible for paying the settlement seems to be "If we stall until she's dead, the executor of her estate won't be angry eough to keep chasing us, and will settle for a fraction of what she's owed."
In order to prevent this sort of blatant abuse, perhaps the concept of punitive damages should make an appearance. If an insurance company is demonstrated to have caused undue delay in payment or suffering to a claimant, then they should be assessed damages in an amount that is financially sufficent to cause that company to sit up and take notice of the consequences of their actions.
#1. She will never be able to hold a steady job again. Her health problems are now to the point that she spends so much time in doctor's offices and hostpitals that she can't reasonably expect an employer to hire her.
#2. She will die in the next 10 years. She is a diabetic, and has been told by her doctors that the accident put so much strain on her system that it has worsened her pre-existing conditions to the point that they don't see her ever fully recovering.
The other driver was 100% at fault in the accident. My friend's sister has spent the past three years either in the hospital or in court. The only reason that she's been able to this is that her husband makes a very reasonable living, and has stood by her throughout.
She has yet to see a single dollar of insurance settlement. The tactic of the company that is responsible for paying the settlement seems to be "If we stall until she's dead, the executor of her estate won't be angry eough to keep chasing us, and will settle for a fraction of what she's owed."
In order to prevent this sort of blatant abuse, perhaps the concept of punitive damages should make an appearance. If an insurance company is demonstrated to have caused undue delay in payment or suffering to a claimant, then they should be assessed damages in an amount that is financially sufficent to cause that company to sit up and take notice of the consequences of their actions.
Please don't tell my mother that I work in the Oilpatch...she still thinks that I'm the piano player at a whorehouse.
Since we're all discussing insurance, we are all aware that the government FORCES the people to "have" it...
and as many examples have stated, insurance is supposed to insure you get "insured" but they'll stall and delay every chance they get which negates the purpose of insurance....
People can't insure themselves with Bob's insurance because he needs to have 1.5 million to cover every person that he provides coverage for, and the gov't wouldn't let bob create his own insurance company "fine failure of capitalism" and they let shit bags like ING, State Farm et al get in the business and those fuckers don't just pay out their 1.5 and take you to court.... Fucking brilliant system....
and as many examples have stated, insurance is supposed to insure you get "insured" but they'll stall and delay every chance they get which negates the purpose of insurance....
People can't insure themselves with Bob's insurance because he needs to have 1.5 million to cover every person that he provides coverage for, and the gov't wouldn't let bob create his own insurance company "fine failure of capitalism" and they let shit bags like ING, State Farm et al get in the business and those fuckers don't just pay out their 1.5 and take you to court.... Fucking brilliant system....
True.Expat wrote:Call it communist of socialist, in some areas, it is better to have a government. In others, things are better taken care of by the private sector.
Housing is in my opinion another are where the government should step in. My experience in communist countries tells me that it does a much better job than private companies, especially in the case of urban planning and housing for the poor.
Point 1 - Housing
Housing better in a communist country? You must be nuts! Because of inefficiency, people had to wait years for housing or vehicles in communist countries. How would you like to live in somewhere where the best house you can ever own is a 400 sq ft. apt?
Point 2 - Insurance
Insurance companies making lots of money is not an example of capitalism. Contrary to popular belief, capitalism doesn't benefit existing corporations, it benefits future ones. In a truly capitalist society, the government would not have such onerous banking and insurance regulations, thereby drastically reducing the cost of entry to the industry. In this case, there would be true competition because anyone ticked off enough at an insurance company could get a few people together and start their own risk pooling.
The biggest friend of banks and other financial industries is government regulation; it prevents the little guy from starting at the bottom, and through good customer service, taking the existing banks customers.
Housing better in a communist country? You must be nuts! Because of inefficiency, people had to wait years for housing or vehicles in communist countries. How would you like to live in somewhere where the best house you can ever own is a 400 sq ft. apt?
Point 2 - Insurance
Insurance companies making lots of money is not an example of capitalism. Contrary to popular belief, capitalism doesn't benefit existing corporations, it benefits future ones. In a truly capitalist society, the government would not have such onerous banking and insurance regulations, thereby drastically reducing the cost of entry to the industry. In this case, there would be true competition because anyone ticked off enough at an insurance company could get a few people together and start their own risk pooling.
The biggest friend of banks and other financial industries is government regulation; it prevents the little guy from starting at the bottom, and through good customer service, taking the existing banks customers.
Well, the logic behind a "socialist" society is that all the whino's on welfare would have a home and all the rich bleeding hearts who "promote" all that BS in their suvs and mansions would be booted out and would be singing the same toon as the welfarites.... That's why it's great... I hate listening to people like Bono "canada should give more to africa," guess what bono you go ahead and give them all your money if you have such strong convictions for the cause.... Idiots(bleeding hearts)....Bede wrote:How would you like to live in somewhere where the best house you can ever own is a 400 sq ft. apt?
government would not have such onerous banking and insurance regulations, thereby drastically reducing the cost of entry to the industry. In this case, there would be true competition because anyone ticked off enough at an insurance company could get a few people together and start their own risk pooling.
The biggest friend of banks and other financial industries is government regulation; it prevents the little guy from starting at the bottom, and through good customer service, taking the existing banks customers.
Exactly, the little guy is king in a capitalist world.... MicroSoft wouldn't be selling for 1k a copy of Win NT, you'd go to bob's and buy the copy for 5 dollars...
We'd have 10s of thousands of air operators in canada because you wouldn't need an OC and anyone could have and run an operation...
That's where the little guy sticks it to the big guy, and we'd have MORE rich people.... So instead of the poor keep getting poorer like they do here in Canuckistan some would actually be able to move up.. Woohoo....
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A parent's only as good as their dumbest kid. If one wins a Nobel Prize but the other gets robbed by a hooker, you failed
Bede,
Appartment size is sufficient for the people living in it. And they own the flat! Even the poorest people in Russia own their flat. And at the end of the month, they still have a very small disposable income...The size of the appartments given the people in Russia was dependant on how many people in the household.
Public transport is so good that you do not need a car. People live in the city, close to everything, and do not need to travel to suburbs daily.
In Canada, people need to do personal bankruptcies to survive. The poor will never own his own appartment, and will pay half of his net income all his life for a flat. Students rack up so much loans that it is near impossible for the middle class to get a degree.
I believe that we live on credit, and everytime the economy slows down, the government takes steps to make people spend more, to boost the economy...
As for the corporations taking care of the people, take note that they are only concerned with their bottom line. If it means declaring bankruptcy to default on their pension obligations, they will. When the profitability is gone, they close the shop and move somewhere else.
Efficiency is the most important factor in a capitalistic system. Not in a socialist world. Yes, people complain about inefficiency, but the aim to make people work. And they do...
Cheers,
Appartment size is sufficient for the people living in it. And they own the flat! Even the poorest people in Russia own their flat. And at the end of the month, they still have a very small disposable income...The size of the appartments given the people in Russia was dependant on how many people in the household.
Public transport is so good that you do not need a car. People live in the city, close to everything, and do not need to travel to suburbs daily.
In Canada, people need to do personal bankruptcies to survive. The poor will never own his own appartment, and will pay half of his net income all his life for a flat. Students rack up so much loans that it is near impossible for the middle class to get a degree.
I believe that we live on credit, and everytime the economy slows down, the government takes steps to make people spend more, to boost the economy...
As for the corporations taking care of the people, take note that they are only concerned with their bottom line. If it means declaring bankruptcy to default on their pension obligations, they will. When the profitability is gone, they close the shop and move somewhere else.
Efficiency is the most important factor in a capitalistic system. Not in a socialist world. Yes, people complain about inefficiency, but the aim to make people work. And they do...
Cheers,
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