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Can WJ afford to match CJ seat sale?


CanJet seat sale unlikely to spark fare wars, analysts


CanWest News Service; Calgary Herald
Published: Friday, March 17, 2006


No-frills carrier CanJet Airlines is slashing fares on many of its popular routes -- a temporary move unlikely to spark fierce seat sales from bigger rivals, industry observers said Thursday.

"We find there's generally a lull in traffic just before you get into the Spring season," said Wayne Morrison, a spokesman for Halifax-based CanJet. "It's about stimulating traffic during a traditionally slow period."

Airline tickets have steadily climbed in Canada since the collapse of Montreal-based Jetsgo, forced to shut down and put itself in court protection after offering customers $1 one-way fares.

WestJet and Air Canada _ no longer required to match Jetsgo's heavily discounted fares -- are on more stable financial footing and thus able to charge higher prices and offer fewer perks to offset the skyrocketing cost of fuel.

With Jetsgo out of the way, there is nothing forcing airlines to offer rock-bottom prices, said Doug Reid, a business professor at Queen's University in Kingston, Ont.

CanJet's seat sale is strictly temporary, he noted. "Do I think we can expect to see fare wars? Absolutely not.

"CanJet is not a sign of things to come. They are definitely going to raise prices back up in the summer season, which is when most airlines make their money."

There is simply too much demand in the market to sustain a lower fare structure, said Karl Moore, a professor at McGill University's faculty of management in Montreal.

"There are not enough competitors out there. The supply is bumped up a bit thanks to Air Canada, Jazz and WestJet, but it's nowhere near what it was when Jetsgo was around," he said.

Canjet customers who book before midnight March 22 can receive a discount on a number of domestic routes, including flights from Calgary to Halifax, Moncton and Toronto, if they fly before June 15.

Calgary Herald


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Post by 737 Mech »

Can WJ afford to match CJ seat sale?

Not after you guys gave your pilots that big raise...lol

Jokes aside I don't even think we are on WJ radar sometimes, maybe when we go public WestJet will start to take aim at CanJet but not to the point of the whole JetsGo era ....that was just gross.
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Not after you guys gave your pilots that big raise...
Exactly. WJ cannot survive another low-fare war. Hang tight Westjetters: Rough ride ahead..


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Post by Jer »

Westjet is doing a fabulous job. I travelled three times so far with them and the service is excellent.

I hope WestJet don't get involved in this war. I think it is better for them to keep the right price and let Canjet lose money.

To reduce the price is not really the solution to get new regular customers neither to make more money. It is only good for non-active travellers like me who are always looking for a low fare to travel. :D

I fly for a company that "competes" with Air Canada Jazz. We can't offer lower price than their "Latitude fare". But our flights are still full (of course we have smaller planes) because we have a different formula and offer a personalized service to our customers. We even get to become friends with the customers and being different from our competitor made our success.
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Post by cyyz »

funny how in the US the carriers have raised fares and you guys keep slashing them, say goodbye to all your jobs....
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Post by Flightlevels »

ok so what's cjets frequency? one or maybe 2 flt we have to match at that particular time. This doesn't mean we have to match every flt we have on that route. just the one that leaves at the same time and there are only a certain amount of seats available at that price anyway. Last I looked WJ had what 6 or 8 flt a day yyz to yyc and 3 or 4 to yhz.....you call it. Besides CJ is a fairly reasonable competitor paying the same price for gas, RIP mike the white. sous ma grene eh blast!
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Post by Flightlevels »

cyyz wrote:funny how in the US the carriers have raised fares and you guys keep slashing them, say goodbye to all your jobs....
US industry has to charge more...they are in far worse shape than the canadians...costs outof control,high fuel, pension plan deficites, labour unrest and a weak dollar. you judge.
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Jer wrote:To reduce the price is not really the solution to get new regular customers neither to make more money. It is only good for non-active travellers like me who are always looking for a low fare to travel. :D.
I'd have to disagree with that statement somewhat.....CanJet is still breaking into the market on a national scale and by getting people to try our product with low fares for a short amount of time is a good business practice before the summer season hits. CanJet is not slashing fares as stated in this article ...just lowering price buy about 20-25%. CanJets costs are MUCH lower than our competitors so we can afford this venture to attract business and get our name out there.
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Since WJ doesn’t have access to A/C flight loads anymore
Since WJ lost important founding members
Since WJ keeps turning out piss-poor profit share
Since WJ stocks have fallen and not recovered
Since WJ employees retention problem
Since WJ took a serious hit with Jetsgo
Since WJ took a serious hit with high fuel price
Since WJ took a hit with demand for higher pay
Since WJ is running out of Kool-Aid

WJ cannot afford to get involved in a long drawn out seat sale.
It’s their worse nightmare


All the power to CJ


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Post by Flightlevels »

Blastie http://www.angermgmt.com you have all the attributes to it...lol. Youve been saying the same stuff for the last 2 yrs..has it changed anything around here other than make you look more like an ass....you judge.
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Post by Jer »

I don't know if you guys are serious, but...

I think it is a "loser" attitude to wish the worst for WestJet since this company is a good exemple of success in the Aviation Industry.

It is unbelievable to see how in 10 years, they grew fast and got through since the 9/11. I just read on their website that WestJet got 51 Boeing 737 and they started only with three Boeing. It is amazing to see how they succeeded in such a short period ot time.

I hope the best for CanJet, but please, have respect for your competitor !...
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Post by 737 Mech »

How are we disrespecting WJ ....our costs are lower therefore we can offer a lower price, you can argue you have a better product (point of view) and thats why you keep your price higher.


I think WestJet is a great airline by the way and I think a little seat sale in the slower months by an airline with 10 aircraft won't hurt them at all, it will just help us to establish market share.
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Hey I'm confused. Does Blastor work for WJ. His avatar seems to indicate that. Maybe he's an owner using reverse psychology. Naw. Didn't think so.
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Hey I'm confused. Does Blastor work for WJ. His avatar seems to indicate that. Maybe he's an owner using reverse psychology.
Whoa! Getting warmer……… :wink:
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Post by Flightlevels »

:wink: en francais, tout loser! eh mon frere? no psycology, just personal issues.
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737Mech wrote:CanJets costs are MUCH lower than our competitors so we can afford this venture to attract business and get our name out there.
As I said, I wish the best for CanJet, but all the people out West (And I mean from MB to BC...) knows WestJet and knows it is a Western Canadian Airline. I would be surprised that WestJet will lose a bit of its popularity because CanJet fly there offering approximately the same fares.

Maybe they will, but I don't see why WJ customers would try CanJet if "their" airline offers good fares (even at higher price than CJ) and good service.
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Post by 737 Mech »

Jer wrote:
Maybe they will, but I don't see why WJ customers would try CanJet if "their" airline offers good fares (even at higher price than CJ) and good service.
True....but if your talking the "average flyer" it's all about the buck for the most part, loyal/business customers will probably stay true to their regular airline because it fits their schedules and routine.....but that is what I am trying to point out CanJet is looking to establish a loyal traveller base in western canada therefore CanJet needs a system to try and attract customers ie. seat sales, routes, connections......so you see what I'm sayin.
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No-frills carrier CanJet Airlines is slashing fares on many of its popular routes -- a temporary move unlikely to spark fierce seat sales from bigger rivals, industry observers said Thursday.
Usually when one carrier launches a seat sale, the competition might match it depending on the length of the sale. If it's a short one like Westjet's overnight sales every now and then the competition generally won't but if its a week-long sale the competition probably will. When you "slash fares" you generally reduce the price of fares and the other carriers are forced to match them to remain competitive.
"We find there's generally a lull in traffic just before you get into the Spring season," said Wayne Morrison, a spokesman for Halifax-based CanJet. "It's about stimulating traffic during a traditionally slow period."
March has Spring Break, April has Easter weekend, and May has the long weekend (forget what it's called). Q2 is also traditionally the second most profitable quarter of the year. I have no idea how long the "slashed fares" are to last for but as long as it isn't into the summer... have at 'er.
Airline tickets have steadily climbed in Canada since the collapse of Montreal-based Jetsgo, forced to shut down and put itself in court protection after offering customers $1 one-way fares.
When Jetsgo was flying you could purchase one-way tickets YVR-YEG for as low as $49 and YVR-YYZ tickets for as low as $99. Those prices are now around $79 and $199 respectively. Anybody who thinks those prices are high needs to give their head a shake.
WestJet and Air Canada _ no longer required to match Jetsgo's heavily discounted fares -- are on more stable financial footing and thus able to charge higher prices and offer fewer perks to offset the skyrocketing cost of fuel.
Actually offering fewer perks is being driven by the thirst for the lowest possible fare. Fuel is obviously a problem but its hardly the issue it was during the last hurricane season when the crack spread had jet fuel at $120 bbl. With the price of oil staying pretty constant at ~$60 bbl the airlines should be able to better price their tickets.
CanJet's seat sale is strictly temporary, he noted. "Do I think we can expect to see fare wars? Absolutely not.
Agreed. I don't see a fare war whatsoever.
"CanJet is not a sign of things to come. They are definitely going to raise prices back up in the summer season, which is when most airlines make their money."
I hope so. This summer is shaping up to be an extremely profitable summer for all involved, I hope.
There is simply too much demand in the market to sustain a lower fare structure, said Karl Moore, a professor at McGill University's faculty of management in Montreal.

"There are not enough competitors out there. The supply is bumped up a bit thanks to Air Canada, Jazz and WestJet, but it's nowhere near what it was when Jetsgo was around," he said.
Bullshit. There is enough domestic competition as it is.
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True....but if your talking the "average flyer" it's all about the buck for the most part, loyal/business customers will probably stay true to their regular airline because it fits their schedules and routine.....but that is what I am trying to point out CanJet is looking to establish a loyal traveller base in western canada therefore CanJet needs a system to try and attract customers ie. seat sales, routes, connections......so you see what I'm sayin.
If Canjet wants to establish a loyal customer base in Western Canada its going to have to try a lot harder at offering a real schedule. YVR-YYZ a seasonal route and daily YYC-YYZ?? :roll: I'm guessing that most of Canjet's customers that fly to YVR and YYC are Maritimers supporting the local airline. I doubt you'll see much Westerners supporting an airline they have probably never heard about.
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Post by 737 Mech »

Alot harder? this was the first year....CanJet isn't going aquire 25 aircraft, push out west , keep there fingers crossed and hope everything works out!! CanJet isn't looking to grab 30% of the market share like JetsGo was, we are simply looking at steady growth not domination..... Its a good thing too because we would all be back into rock bottom price wars again.
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Post by Jer »

Yeah I see what you mean 737mech, but I agree with CanadaEH that most of your passengers will be Maritime travellers that needs to travel west.

If you can get your plane full everytime you fly back and forth with maritime travellers, thats good. But I don't believe this seat sale will hurt a tiny bit WJ.

There is no need for Blastor to state : "WJ cannot survive another low-fare war. Hang tight Westjetters: Rough ride ahead.."
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Alot harder? this was the first year....CanJet isn't going aquire 25 aircraft, push out west , keep there fingers crossed and hope everything works out!! CanJet isn't looking to grab 30% of the market share like JetsGo was, we are simply looking at steady growth not domination..... Its a good thing too because we would all be back into rock bottom price wars again.
Slow and steady growth is what will be sustainable for Canjet. All I'm saying is that if you want to grow steadily you can't start by offering seasonal service between Canada's first and third most populated cities. Your strategy is losely based on that of Westjet's - launch service to capture the VFR traffic and build frequency to attract the business customer; the only difference being Westjet is more aggressive with its plans. I wish your company the best, I have no ill will towards Canjet whatsoever. All I'm saying is that strategically Canjet is going to have a difficult time gaining customers when Westjet and Air Canada have loyal customers out West with, in my opinion, more to offer. People were saying the same thing about Westjet five years ago so you just never know!
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Post by ... »

I flew on Ryan Air and Easy Jet in Europe in January...

Paris Venice...$30

Rome London $40

And they are brand new aircraft...not like the krap Jetsgo was barely keeping airborn.

The industry has changed. 300K a year livin' the dream haydays are over forever.

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Westjet Launches May Seat Sale.

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CanadaEH wrote:
No-frills carrier CanJet Airlines is slashing fares on many of its popular routes -- a temporary move unlikely to spark fierce seat sales from bigger rivals, industry observers said Thursday.
Usually when one carrier launches a seat sale, the competition might match it depending on the length of the sale. If it's a short one like Westjet's overnight sales every now and then the competition generally won't but if its a week-long sale the competition probably will. When you "slash fares" you generally reduce the price of fares and the other carriers are forced to match them to remain competitive.
"We find there's generally a lull in traffic just before you get into the Spring season," said Wayne Morrison, a spokesman for Halifax-based CanJet. "It's about stimulating traffic during a traditionally slow period."
March has Spring Break, April has Easter weekend, and May has the long weekend (forget what it's called). Q2 is also traditionally the second most profitable quarter of the year. I have no idea how long the "slashed fares" are to last for but as long as it isn't into the summer... have at 'er.
Airline tickets have steadily climbed in Canada since the collapse of Montreal-based Jetsgo, forced to shut down and put itself in court protection after offering customers $1 one-way fares.
When Jetsgo was flying you could purchase one-way tickets YVR-YEG for as low as $49 and YVR-YYZ tickets for as low as $99. Those prices are now around $79 and $199 respectively. Anybody who thinks those prices are high needs to give their head a shake.
WestJet and Air Canada _ no longer required to match Jetsgo's heavily discounted fares -- are on more stable financial footing and thus able to charge higher prices and offer fewer perks to offset the skyrocketing cost of fuel.
Actually offering fewer perks is being driven by the thirst for the lowest possible fare. Fuel is obviously a problem but its hardly the issue it was during the last hurricane season when the crack spread had jet fuel at $120 bbl. With the price of oil staying pretty constant at ~$60 bbl the airlines should be able to better price their tickets.
CanJet's seat sale is strictly temporary, he noted. "Do I think we can expect to see fare wars? Absolutely not.
Agreed. I don't see a fare war whatsoever.
"CanJet is not a sign of things to come. They are definitely going to raise prices back up in the summer season, which is when most airlines make their money."
I hope so. This summer is shaping up to be an extremely profitable summer for all involved, I hope.
There is simply too much demand in the market to sustain a lower fare structure, said Karl Moore, a professor at McGill University's faculty of management in Montreal.

"There are not enough competitors out there. The supply is bumped up a bit thanks to Air Canada, Jazz and WestJet, but it's nowhere near what it was when Jetsgo was around," he said.
Bullshit. There is enough domestic competition as it is.
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Post by Machiavelli »

I'm very curious about how CJ can have lower costs than WestJet. Specifically, I want to know what CJ's CASM is. WestJet's in 2005 was 12.04 and despite fuel will be lower in 2006. Can anybody find out?
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