Getting rid of unsafe/incompetent pilots

Big Bird Anonymous · Post by **Big Bird Anonymous** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:04 pm

Frankly, I'm not that interested in discussing personal problems Cat Dude.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:11 pm

" Frankly, I'm not that interested in discussing personal problems Cat Dude. "

Of course Big Bird, when you have a myopic vision of the world around you you would feel that way.

It is your type that I hope gets a good reaming by some power abusing TC official.

Can you explain what you meant by " personal problems " or do you think that you are immune to TC bullies?

Cat

Beechball · Post by **Beechball** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 2:35 pm

Looks like a good "Cat" fight. Pardon the bad pun....
I have no idea what LOFT is. Can someone please explain????

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 2:48 pm

Naw,Beechball we ain't fighting..we are just having a discussion with different viewpoints.

We each form our opinions based on experiences and where we happen to be at a given time. I'm quite certain if Big Bird and I sat down and talked things would be better understood by both of us.

LOFT is line training whereby a pilot is monitered and given training on day to day operations.

Cat

ninjacrumb · Post by **ninjacrumb** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 3:07 pm

Okay, up to now I'm now clear on some points:

1. There are incompetent pilots.
2. The responsiblity and better training of these pilots may or may not lie with Transport.
3. Nanaimo has drug dealers.
4. Cat Driver may or may not be a drug dealer.

I may or may not have the picture. (May not )

I think the original idea was how to deal with these individuals. I vote for "the soggy cookie" method. Worked in University.

CID · Post by **CID** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 6:17 pm

Big Bird, don't mind Cat Driver. He's stuck in the past and just can't seem to get over it. He wishes ill will towards anyone who doesn't heed his chicken little warnings or anyone who challenges his absolute contempt for TC.

ninjacrumb, one more thing we learned is that to Cat Driver, a "discussion with different viewpoints" means hoping you get "reamed".

. ._ · Post by **. ._** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 6:36 pm

LOFT stands for Line Oriented Flight Training. Just so ya know.

PITA · Post by **PITA** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 7:02 pm

Good one CAT

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 7:23 pm

Thanks Pita, it is very difficult to express or defend a position regardless of how truthful the facts that you are presenting may be, when so many posters can with impunity say anyhing they wish to to discredit me.

A couple of months ago I quit posting for a short period of time for just this reason.

When you read all the other allegations of unethical behaviour by many within the regulator that are posted by others here is it possible that what I have to say is being trashed by anomymous people because of the fact that I do it using my own name?

If I am posting untrue alligations why does the regulator remain silent?

( Anyhow this thread is about incompetent pilots so enough of this.. )

Pratt · Post by **Pratt** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 7:30 pm

istp wrote:LOFT stands for Line Oriented Flight Training. Just so ya know.

And to expand on it abit more, LOFT training is only done in a simulator, as far as I know. The pilots are given a scenario, as in a normal line flight from A to B. The scenario is run in real time, as the flight progresses they are given some type of abnormality that they will have to deal with, using the resources at their disposal that they would normally have in day to day operations.

It is an exercise in CRM, to see how the crew interacts, uses their resources, prioritizes actions, delegates responsibilities etc. It is meant to be a learning experience, the debrief will cover if there were better ways to handle a situation, if not done properly, what could have been done to make that situation smoother etc.

I have done lots of them, they are a great way of training, also eliminates having to do a PPC ride on every trip to the sim!!

kavupilot · Post by **kavupilot** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:14 pm

Pratt...very nice you seem to be the only one who really knows what LOFT exercises are designed for

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:40 pm

Yeh, you guys are correct, about LOFT...to many acronyms in this world.

I got it mixed up with the insurance requirements I got approved in Holland.

I was thinking of what is in red..

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Reinsurers note and agree that with effect from 16th September 2005 (or date to be advised to Slip Leader), the following Open Pilot Warranty is included hereon in respect of Catalina aircraft:

Pilot-in-command as approved by the Insured with a minimum of Airline Transport Pilot Licence, 1,000 hours total time and attended the insured’s training programme.

Information:

The Insured’s training programme consists of
Type rating training = At least 6 hours training, 50 water landings and 10 land landings.
Line training = At least 25 hours training, 50 water landings and 10 land landings.
Captains are then restricted during their next 25 hours when the following is applied:
a)Only operating in Dutch air space.
b)Land landings with a maximum cross wind of 12 knots.
c)Water landings with a maximum wind of 15 knots and a maximum wave height of 2 feet

Subject to Policy coverage, terms, conditions, limitations and exclusions

London / 24 March 2006 /GH
AVS.100A

AGREED BY LDRS ONLY
AGREED BY LDRS, BUT ADV. TO ALL UWRS
TO BE AGREED BY ALL UWRS

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See nobody is perfect...

Cat

sky's the limit · Post by **sky's the limit** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:56 pm

cpl_atc wrote:

"...when flying an approach and had to be reminded to keep one hand on the throttles and to monitor his power gauges..."

I was on a turboprop commuter flight yesterday, and as the curtain was open I could watch quite closely what was going on. The f/o was flying the leg, and with the exception of a few power adjustments, his hand was never near the throttles during the entire approch.

Now, I realize I've been out of fixed-wing for a few years now, but is that the technique being taught now??? I know I would never have flown an approch that way, or tolerated an f/o, or Capt. for that matter, doing it either.

Anyway, I'm trying to be chairitable here in case something's changed in the last little while, so if someone can please explain it to me I'd appreciate it. But I suspect it's yet another flight school to right seater who's never learned to properly fly an airplane.

STL

CID · Post by **CID** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:03 pm

If I am posting untrue alligations why does the regulator remain silent?

Were you expecting a CAR named after you or just an advisory circular?

Unlike me, the persons involved at TC are smart enough to just ignore you Cat Driver.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:04 pm

" The f/o was flying the leg, and with the exception of a few power adjustments, his hand was never near the throttles during the entire approch. "

Maybe the autopilot was flying it and it had auto throttles?

ninjacrumb · Post by **ninjacrumb** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 5:57 am

Not having your hands on the throttles isn't a sign of incompetence, maybe he had a power setting that held the appropriate speed.

I think this thread is done.

Anyone else agree.

ninjacrumb · Post by **ninjacrumb** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 6:02 am

P.S. LOFT isn't neccessarily done in a sim. I do LOFT scenarios in lieu of the 6 month ride normally required for 705 ops. I guess it would be better to do it in a sim as you can't pull engines etc in a plane loaded with pax, however my plane has no sim.