Lost Logbook in 1989

[Justwannafly]

Hi, I’m looking for some advice. I PM'd TC Guy a couple weeks ago, but I don't think he check's his messages cuase my PM is still sitting in my "OUT" box SO...I'm going to ask the General Populous for advice.

Way back when I was a kid, my father got me interested in flying. He was a pilot himself, & I would occasionally go up with him. However he has since stopped flying Over the years we have moved all over the place. Unfortunately, during one of these moves, some baggage was lost that held all his flying info (logbooks ect) That was in 1989 (I think) As he no longer flew that often, he didn’t bother to renew his license now that he had no record of his flying. However whenever he talks about it, you can see that he does miss it.

Now as its been more then 5 years since he has flown I know it will be quite the process for him to get his License back. However I would like to do this for him as a birthday present. The first thing I would need, would be a record of his flying. His log books contained hundreds of hours of flying. Now if I were to loose my Logbook TC would have a record of my hours upto my last medical. Would that still be the case for him? I’m not sure how things have changed in the last 17 years. Also, How would I go about tracking it down?

PS last time he got a rating was in 1978 or 79

[Justwannafly]

ANYBODY?
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[TenForTwelve]

I'm too lazy to look for it, but I believe that in the case of a lost/stolen logbook, you are able to sign a document stating how many hours you have. Can anyone confirm this?

[kavupilot]

i take it he lost his licence as well?

[KAG]

I believe if you lose your log book you can go to a lawyer and sign a declaration stating that you in fact do have these hours and it's as binding as your original logbook.
I heard of these years ago, and may be incorrect.

[Brewguy]

ANYBODY?
120 Views...& no replys

Umm, maybe because nobody who has viewed this has been through it.... Can I assume you have been actively researching the matter for yourself too - or were you just waiting for someone else to do your research for you?

Now, after a very quick (2 minute) search I've found the answers for you:

Lost Logbook:

421.08 Personal Logs
(amended 1999/03/01; no previous version)

(1) Loss of Personal Log

An applicant for a flight crew permit, licence or rating who is unable to provide proof of flying experience by means of a personal log, due to extenuating circumstances such as the loss of records through fire, theft or other similar cause, may submit an Affidavit or Statutory Declaration sworn before a Commissioner of Oaths, to the Minister.

• (a) The affidavit or declaration shall contain a breakdown of flying experience claimed, appropriate to the permit, licence or rating applied for and shall include the following details:
  • (i) hours flown by day and by night on single and multi-engine aircraft as pilot-in-command, co-pilot and dual;
    (ii) hours flown cross-country by day and by night as pilot-in-command, co-pilot and dual;
    (iii) hours of instrument flight time and approved instrument ground trainer time;
    (iv) aircraft types and registrations; and
    (v) where applicable, names of employers and dates of employment.
  (b) The affidavit or declaration shall contain an explanation of the circumstances which prevented the submission of a personal log and a statement declaring that all attempts to reproduce and certify entries in a personal log have been unsuccessful.
  
  (c) Wherever practicable, the applicant shall obtain corroborating evidence, such as copies of journey log book entries.
  
  (d) Affidavits or Statutory Declarations submitted without corroborating evidence shall not be accepted by the Minister as evidence of flying experience beyond that required for the issue of a Commercial Pilot Licence.
  
  (e) The applicant shall, in addition, successfully complete all examinations and tests required for the permit, licence or rating applied for.

(2) Lack of Personal Log - Foreign Licence Holders

Holders of pilot licences issued by a Contracting State who are unable to provide a certified personal log may be credited by the Minister with the minimum flying experience specified in ICAO Annex 1 for the foreign licence held.

Now, as to what he has to do to get his licence back in good standing, here is some general information on Currency / Recency:
How to Stay Current

Based on what you've written, he has gone beyond his 5 year recency. So, the applicable CARs should be these:

Recency Requirements

401.05(1) Notwithstanding any other provision of this Subpart, no holder of a flight crew permit, licence or rating, other than the holder of a flight engineer licence, shall exercise the privileges of the permit, licence or rating unless

• (a) the holder has acted as pilot-in-command or co-pilot of an aircraft within the five years preceding the flight; or
  
  (b) within the 12 months preceding the flight
  • (i) the holder has completed a flight review, in accordance with the personnel licensing standards, conducted by the holder of a flight instructor rating for the same category of aircraft,
    (ii) the flight instructor who conducted the flight review has certified in the holder's personal log that the holder meets the skill requirements for the issuance of the permit or licence set out in the personnel licensing standards, and
    (iii) the holder has successfully completed the appropriate examination specified in the personnel licensing standards.

And therefore, to meet the requirement of this regulation (i.e. to meet the 5 year recency requirements), he would have to do this:

421.05 Recency Requirements

(1) In order to comply with the requirements of 401.05(1)(b)

• (a) the flight review shall include all items normally covered during the flight test for the issue of that permit or licence,
  
  (b) the flight instructor completing the flight review shall certify in the holder’s personal log that the skill requirement has been met, and
  
  (c) the holder shall successfully complete the written examination Student Pilot Permit or Private Pilot Licence for Foreign and Military Applicants, Air Regulations (PSTAR)
  
  (d) The certification in (b) above shall read:
  
  "This is to certify that the skill requirement for __________ (permit or licence) has been met" and shall include the date and the name, signature and licence number of the instructor.

So there you have it. Its pretty simple really.

• 1. He will need a sworn affidavit (from a Commissioner of Oaths) regarding his hours - and submit that to the minister;
  2. He will need a new logbook, and will need to put his totals in it (as sworn on the oath ... I may even suggest a 2nd (notarized) copy of that affidavit stapled to the 1st page / inside cover of the new book);
  3. He will need to write a PSTAR exam, and complete a flight review; and
  4. The instructor completing the flight review will need to certify his logbook with the statement listed above.

p.s. In the future, I'd suggest you either wait patiently for an answer (rather than posting one evening and then asking "ANYBODY? 120 Views...& no replys" the next morning); or try Google

[Justwannafly]

@neilblythin: I did some research...this wasn't post'd on a whim
The problem is that it was so long ago..he doesn't have any cooberating evidence...except I supose witness's that could say that he flew with them. We are talk'n 20 years here. Transport Canada's computer Medical records don't go back that far, Here-in lies the problem.

Also, without some sort of government record

(d) Affidavits or Statutory Declarations submitted without corroborating evidence shall not be accepted by the Minister as evidence of flying experience beyond that required for the issue of a Commercial Pilot Licence.

He's got a private license...but hundreds of hours, & no corroborating evidence...except for maybe tracking down people he use to fly with. Thats why I'm look'n for some sort of record that could be used to corroborate his claims.

[JOE BOY]

Kag.

That's a home run ya so true Transport will require a legal document...It will be an afadavit statting that all hours you can remember in the log are true to the best of your knowledge. Generally it is not a prob and this is the rout Transport will want you to take. Hope that clears it up a little.

Good luck i am sure all will work out!

Cheers,
JOE BOY

[Pratt]

" He will need to write a PSTAR exam, and complete a flight review"

Regarding these 2 items, the PSTAR sounds pretty straight forward. What would a "flight review" consist of for a person who has been away from flying for 5 or more years?

[Aeros]

" He will need to write a PSTAR exam, and complete a flight review"

Regarding these 2 items, the PSTAR sounds pretty straight forward. What would a "flight review" consist of for a person who has been away from flying for 5 or more years?

421.05 (2) (a) completion of a flight review conducted by the holder of a flight instructor rating in the same category, shall include all items normally covered during the flight test for the issue of that permit or licence;

Bottom line -- It will take whatever review / instruction that will be required to get the person up to speed on each element of the appropriate flight test. The person does not need to demonstrate this standard on a complete "flight test", they could achieve these standards on different flights. The only requirement is that they be able to perform each manoeuvre to tje stamdards outlined in the appropriate flight test guide.