Flight Time Limitations for Instructing?

Aether · Post by **Aether** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 4:01 pm

I am just studying for the IATRA exam and reading through CARS 700.15, 700.16 and I am wondering if these rules apply to flight training units?

I notice there is no mention of it in CARS Part IV where it talks about Flight Training Units and Flight Tranining and CAR 700.15 specifically says "Air Operator" which I don't think a flight training unit is. I know I have never really been concerned about these as an instructor and the various CFI's I've had supervise me have never said anything.

Are there any 704, 705 pilots out there who instruct in their free time? If so are you concerned that you will exceed these limitations?

Maybe TC Guy and clear this up for me.

-M

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 4:03 pm

Aether wrote: Are there any 704, 705 pilots out there who instruct in their free time? If so are you concerned that you will exceed these limitations?

If you're flying for an op and instruct on the side, yes, be concerned. If you're just instructing and only instructing you have no concerns....

Aether · Post by **Aether** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 4:11 pm

If you're flying for an op and instruct on the side, yes, be concerned. If you're just instructing and only instructing you have no concerns....

Why does it change? So if I fly 150 hours of instruction in one month (I wish) I don't have to worry about it and the limitations don't apply but then I start work for a 704 operator and fly 80 hours/month with them then another 30/month instructing the instructing time suddenly starts to count? That doesn't make any sense; either the time counts all the time or it shouldn't count at all.

What if I fly 100 hours in a month with the 704 and then want to take my private aircraft out for a burn I can't imagine that counts.

-M

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 4:32 pm

Aether wrote:
If you're flying for an op and instruct on the side, yes, be concerned. If you're just instructing and only instructing you have no concerns....
Why does it change? So if I fly 150 hours of instruction in one month (I wish) I don't have to worry about it and the limitations don't apply but then I start work for a 704 operator and fly 80 hours/month with them then another 30/month instructing the instructing time suddenly starts to count? That doesn't make any sense; either the time counts all the time or it shouldn't count at all.

What if I fly 100 hours in a month with the 704 and then want to take my private aircraft out for a burn I can't imagine that counts.

-M

I'll try to search and see if I can find the thread... Not sure if that was the one, it comes up a couple of times a year... The JC and Ahramin answered it nicely...

http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopi ... cting+duty

Aether · Post by **Aether** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 5:05 pm

Thanks that helps.

I'm going to look more into this though. It just doesn't seem right that TC can dictate what you can and cannot do in your time off. I know plenty of 704, 705 pilots who own private aircraft and fly for fun on their days off, I even know a few instructors, I'll have to find out what they do to keep track and if their company keeps tabs on them.

-M

mculshaw · Post by **mculshaw** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:01 pm

we have a 702/703 and an FTU. For our flight time calculations, TC wants to see all flying that you have done. Whether it is 406(training) 702 or 703, it must ALL go on the record. Previously we were just keeping track of 702/3 flying.

I guess the idea is that if you did training all day than did a Single pilot IFR charter for 4 hours, your 8 hour total should count all the training from earlier in the day.

In theory, as the regs express, ALL flying should be counted, even freelance instructing.

my $0.02
Mark

threegreen · Post by **threegreen** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:18 pm

I've never heard of instructors keeping track of duty time. Maybe because it has never come up that an instructor would actually time out. But I guess the question still is can an instructor time out solely on instructing time say in the busy summer months?

M

Hedley · Post by **Hedley** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 6:56 am

can an instructor time out solely on instructing time say in the busy summer months

Good question. Flight training in Canada is regulated by the following CARs and standards:

CAR 401/421
CAR 405/425
CAR 406/426

I don't see any limits in there. Does anyone else? Or, are there other relevant CARs?

Walker · Post by **Walker** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:08 pm

This may be one of those not so well written and not so well enforced things that TC seems to do on occasion;
BUT the last place I was working at was a 703/704 and FTU. From what I was told, a few years before they had a pilot (instructor/charter) who was working for them. They had kept good records of duty times etc… But apparently they guy also worked part time at a mill. Well when TC found out they almost Sh*t themselves, I don’t think they got fined but we were told in no uncertain terms that on your “off days” you cant do ANYTHING.
Furthermore after talking with an inspector on a base inspection I was personally told that if you fly for a 703/704 etc… on your days off if you own a private AC you CANNOT fly it (or if you do it MUST be on your sheet…) But like I said before this may just be something a few inspectors have in their mind that Ottawa never intended…

From my understanding if you are working at an FTU only there are no limits.

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