Toronto City Centre Airport.....what a "S-Hole"...

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 7:52 am

Blew into YTZ Saturday, a little after 1600. What a crap-hole! Couldn't buy a frikken meal! What is Toronto? The largest city in the country? Sure is the centre of the universe.....ask anyone there. But they cant have even a snack bar open on a Saturday afternoon? WTF? But I did get a kick out of the anti airport banners hanging from the decks of the cheap housing along the most expensive real estate east of "Hong-Couver"....tax dollars hard at work!
I'm sure it'll change when RD takes over the joint with Porter, and it was a great little airport when I flew for Skywalker....but in today's world, it's a shit-hole! Kind of like, YPM!!!!! YXL has way more to offer! Typical Toronto!

Longtimer · Post by **Longtimer** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 7:58 am

Doc wrote:Blew into YTZ Saturday, a little after 1600. What a crap-hole! Couldn't buy a frikken meal! What is Toronto? The largest city in the country? Sure is the centre of the universe.....ask anyone there. But they cant have even a snack bar open on a Saturday afternoon? WTF? But I did get a kick out of the anti airport banners hanging from the decks of the cheap housing along the most expensive real estate east of "Hong-Couver"....tax dollars hard at work!
I'm sure it'll change when RD takes over the joint with Porter, and it was a great little airport when I flew for Skywalker....but in today's world, it's a shit-hole! Kind of like, YPM!!!!! YXL has way more to offer! Typical Toronto!

RD has already taken over the aiport, at least the scheduled airline facilities and closed it down. Perhaps that is why nothing is open, with no commercial flights to bump up business.

N2 · Post by N2 » Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:07 am

Toronto is a shit hole at the best of times!

Brewguy · Post by **Brewguy** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:28 am

Aww, give'em a break... don't forget, everything on that island had to be brought in by air or by boat

TorontoGuy · Post by **TorontoGuy** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:32 am

Toronto Port Authority's putting in new ferry facilities on the island and mainland sides. Terminal buildings are being upgraded for Porter, I understand. Should look a whole lot better when Porter starts flying in the Fall. Right now, yes, it's pretty much a ghetto.

Hedley · Post by **Hedley** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:43 am

CYTZ has all the ambience of a concentration camp under construction.

From the tall fences topped with barb wire, to the piles of crap where the buildings were torn down, to the trailer that is the FBO, it is indeed a shithole.

Nicest part of CYTZ is the ancient, threadbare, worn-out empty white terminal building.

TorontoGuy · Post by **TorontoGuy** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:54 am

Hedley wrote:CYTZ has all the ambience of a concentration camp under construction.

Stalag 13 perhaps? Starring Mayor David Miller as Colonel Klink.

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:07 am

RD takes the "crafty dog" to a whole new level! He would only start an airline on the island with a bridge. Toronto says "sure", then backs out...RD says "give me 25 mil"....Toronto hands it over...and RD starts his airline without a bridge....with a 25 mil cash injection from "Toronto The Stupid"....WAY TO GO R.D. !!!!!!!!!! THE MAN IS AT THE TOP OF HIS GAME!

Demosthenes · Post by **Demosthenes** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:33 am

Doc wrote: Kind of like, YPM!!!!! YXL has way more to offer! Typical Toronto!

NOTHING is worse than YPM.

D.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:32 am

" NOTHING is worse than YPM. "

HHmmmm,

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:35 am

Good morning Cat.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:38 am

Good morning Doc.

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 11:11 am

N2 wrote:Toronto is a shit hole at the best of times!

WORLD CLASS SHIT HOLE!!! Wooohoooo!

TorontoGuy · Post by **TorontoGuy** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 11:44 am

cyyz wrote:
N2 wrote:Toronto is a shit hole at the best of times!
WORLD CLASS SHIT HOLE!!! Wooohoooo!

Well, what did you expect to find at the centre of the universe, Oz?

N2 · Post by N2 » Mon Mar 27, 2006 3:03 pm

Well you know what they say about Toronto...it's like a bowl of granola cereal...what isn't fruits and nuts are just flakes!

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 3:05 pm

N2 wrote:Well you know what they say about Toronto...it's like a bowl of granola cereal...what isn't fruits and nuts are just flakes!

Do you put milk in?? What about the milk... I see you don't like milk.... We can have chocolate milk if you'd like...

TorontoGuy · Post by **TorontoGuy** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 4:48 pm

cyyz wrote:
N2 wrote:Well you know what they say about Toronto...it's like a bowl of granola cereal...what isn't fruits and nuts are just flakes!
Do you put milk in?? What about the milk... I see you don't like milk.... We can have chocolate milk if you'd like...

Hey, watchit! That sounds racist. This is 2006 in overly-politically correct Toronto. It's "milk of colour" to you, buster.

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 4:50 pm

Gee, I started this thread to "stir it up", but it seems everybody agrees with me! Back to the drawing board!

sakism · Post by **sakism** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 4:58 pm

Gotta love the crappy FBO that used to be Shell East - I think it's MillionAir now. Crappy little place witha couple of busted chairs, two year old magazines and NOTHING ELSE.

Buy $700 worth of fuel and they make us pay for two ferry tokens so we can escape for a few hours.

Worst place I've ever had to hold.

Vilk · Post by **Vilk** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 5:01 pm

have you tried the candy bar machine? you would remember those chewy oatmeal cookies for a long, long time...

Walker · Post by **Walker** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 5:12 pm

isnt the river like 20m accross? Really..... how hard would it be to build a bridge?!?!!?!?!?!?!?

AOW · Post by **AOW** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 5:50 pm

Walker wrote:isnt the river like 20m accross? Really..... how hard would it be to build a bridge?!?!!?!?!?!?!?

Please forward this question to our beloved mayor... the man who paid $35 million to NOT build a $20 million bridge!

sakism wrote:Gotta love the crappy FBO that used to be Shell East - I think it's MillionAir now. Crappy little place witha couple of busted chairs, two year old magazines and NOTHING ELSE.

The old shell east is now a pile of rubble that will eventually be the Porter terminal. (It was still active up until a few months ago, under the new CCAL management) The Aerocentre West is now City Centre Aviation Limited (West) (CCAL), a division of REGCO, and yes, they do still charge ridiculous amounts for the privilege of gracing their ramp ($10 for a single for less than 1 hour, $25 for the day, $35 overnight IIRC). The fuel that they supply is GOCO, and they run hangars 3-6.

The alternative is ESSO at the east end of the ramp, now operating out of a brand new "triple-wide" trailer (having lived for 8 months in the old "terminal A" building, and in a rather shabby trailer 50 feet west of their current location prior to that). While they lack actual tie-downs, they can provide you with a broken bit of concrete parking lot barrier and a frayed bit of rope, if you're lucky. They price their fuel 5-10 cents cheaper than CCAL, and don't charge ramp fees, except for extended stays (1 night free with fuel purchase, up to a full day without). The new facility is pretty decent (just try not to trip over the torn up pavement/sand pits on groundside), including free wireless internet access, satellite tv (fixed again after dish blew off in a storm a couple of weeks ago), free coffee/tea/hot chocolate/water and a weather computer that would best serve as an anchor, except for the addition of a Super Mario Brothers 1/2/3 emulation.

So yes, YTZ has its shortcomings, but I would not describe it as an absolute shithole. Doc, I think that you're right that things will improve once Porter is up and running, but I think that you will see thing improve even before then, as I have reason to believe that other operators are going to try to increase sked and charter service in and out of the island. The location is ideal, and if people can get around the few noisy local idiots, it could provide excellent service. Had a Q400 fly by today, and if anybody tries to complain about their noise, they deserve to be shot! Even on the overshoot, this machine made the 172s doing circuits seem loud! If people really wanted to keep the noise levels down, they would ban the MU2s (etc.) and allow the citations (etc.) in! [not that I don't like a little noise... seeing the flight of 4 harvards on Remembrance day was awesome!]

Well, that about does it for my rant... I apologize for any bias expressed in the above--I try to be objective, but I'm sure that my biases show through...

Flying Low · Post by **Flying Low** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 6:06 pm

The location is ideal, and if people can get around the few noisy local idiots, it could provide excellent service.

Those "few noisy local idiots" as you call them have had their way for decades when it comes to a bridge at the island. What makes you think that will change anytime soon?

Don't get me wrong...I think the location is ideal and Toronto is crazy for not utilizing this easy access to the downtown core but I just don't see why anything will change now.

Dockjock · Post by **Dockjock** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 7:21 pm

Don't forget Druxy's, if it's still there. $8 for a bit of crappy corned beef on rye, no pickle. 30 square foot patio, not facing the runways. Open 11-1 alternating tuesdays.
3 flight schools, 3 FBO's, 1 FBO has 2 lounges at opposite sides of the airport, all in various states of bankruptcy/fire sale conditions (or so it seems). Seaplane ramp rotting away. Tie up space for *perhaps* one C172 on floats.

If the airport was allowed to succeed, it would. Porter is the first step!

windshear · Post by **windshear** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 7:30 pm

AOW

Just curious if you happened to notice the Q400's livery?

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