Drug Smuggling?

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:03 pm

Anyone smuggling drugs???

Need a co-pilot?

Do I need to pay for a PPC or training bond, never seen a 703 drug op OC but who knows....

bizjet_mania · Post by **bizjet_mania** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:51 pm

There are a few guys that will pay your PPC, buy you a nice shiny new sports car and pay you good money to fly. Dont sell yourself cheap if you're gonna fly drugs. Too bad living honestly doesnt bring the same luxuries

hazatude · Post by **hazatude** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 4:12 pm

I used to sell doobies in highschool.

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 4:26 pm

bizjet_mania wrote:There are a few guys that will pay your PPC, buy you a nice shiny new sports car and pay you good money to fly. Dont sell yourself cheap if you're gonna fly drugs. Too bad living honestly doesnt bring the same luxuries

Yeah, and then they had their Citation seized.. =(

bizjet_mania · Post by **bizjet_mania** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 4:34 pm

oh u heard about that too?

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 6:21 pm

bizjet_mania wrote:oh u heard about that too?

Didn't you post the pics last year?? Someone did, they're around.. Lol...

You know what penalties the pilots got out of the entire ordeal(not rhetorical, asking a real question)???

bizjet_mania · Post by **bizjet_mania** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 6:54 pm

10-15yrs, not sure about the co-pilot i think he testified against him and only lost his licence

bob sacamano · Post by **bob sacamano** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 6:29 am

. ._ · Post by **. ._** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 8:36 am

If I'm flying right seat in a 172 but not PIC, will the insurance companies count that as "drug time"? But I can't use it towards my ATPL? The insurance companies and the MAN-keeping us entrepreneurs down.

I blame the Liberals. Hopefully Stephen Harper can change this sad situation. It's costing me a fortune to register all of the guns I smuggle too. But that's another thread...

-istp

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:06 am

15 years?? And killers get 3 in this country...

bizjet_mania · Post by **bizjet_mania** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:34 am

Canada loves criminals

Wilbur · Post by **Wilbur** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 4:33 pm

In Canada it's a violation of your human right to be a criminal if you are punished for breaking the law.

goldeneagle · Post by **goldeneagle** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 3:25 am

cyyz wrote:
You know what penalties the pilots got out of the entire ordeal(not rhetorical, asking a real question)???

Dont know about that one, but read this article to see what some bc folks are facing when they got caught in december.

http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=82018

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 11:05 am

Ya, Canada might have 'light' penalties, but we don't have 3 million non-violent offenders in jail.

BTW it costs $80000 a year to keep someone in a low secuitry institution. Bump that up to $120000 for medium-high security. If you want to pay for more pot-growers livin in jail, be my guest.

Since the US 'war on drugs' started in the 70's, thier prison population more than tripled. Most of the inmates are addicts that don't recieve treatment, so when they get out, they re-offend. In Canada, our judicial system is based on rehabilitation. The idea is to pay a little for treatment now so that you're not paying for prison space later.

Things that are stupid but sound good. Harper's minimum sentancing and getting rid of manditory release (that's where you get parole at 2/3 of your sentance). Sounds great, if it happens (and this info is coming from the director of a federal prison I know) Corrections Services Canada would have to immediatly build 80 new jails. Guess who foots the bill.

Use your brains folks, tossing people in the clink may feel good, but it ain't the answer. And no, this isn't some left-wing rant about criminals rights, its purly economic. Its cheaper to rehab. than to imprison. Save money, that sounds like a conservative ideal...

Wilbur · Post by **Wilbur** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 2:22 pm

And what is the cost to society for allowing criminals loose on the streets? How much in insurance claims? Damage to property? Lost productivity for victims taking time off work to deal with the aftermath? Police investigation costs? Court costs? Health care costs for injured victims? Never mind the impossible to price psychological trauma and fear victims suffer.

Then, what does it cost to maintain mostly unproductive criminals in the community? Welfare costs? Health care costs caused by drug use and otherwise unhealthy lifestyles? Costs of the state raising their offspring as a result of them wrecklessly procreating on the crack shack floor in a drunken drug induced haze.

I suggest $80-120K a year is a bargain and we should jump all over that deal! Treatment can be delivered while they are safely behind bars. No parole or mandatory for anyone who has not successfully completed treatment programming.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 3:22 pm

Farm out the prisoners to some country that does not build Sheraton jails.

Wilbur · Post by **Wilbur** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 1:44 am

Cat, some US jurisdictions are looking at just that. Contracted prison services in third world countries like India. Ship a con overseas to do his time, then bring him back home a few weeks before his release. Cheaper capital costs to build the joints, and cheaper staffing costs. Also helps create employment in the third world.

Expat · Post by **Expat** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 3:49 am

Great idea, and the next thing we know, they will contract the Air Navigation System to an Indian call center. I bet that if Reagan could have done it in 1982, he would have...

Springbok · Post by **Springbok** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 6:27 am

Cat Driver wrote:Farm out the prisoners to some country that does not build Sheraton jails.

Africa is a good spot. You are guaranteed to get your arsehole streched regularly by some black dudes, especially if you are a white boy. I think all sexual offenders, rapists, molesters and kiddie porn perverts should be shipped off to African jails. After you get torn a new a-hole, you can look forward to cultivating the by-product for a couple of years.....Anal Injected Death Sentence (AIDS).

2R · Post by 2R » Sun Mar 26, 2006 9:19 am

It would be cheaper to kill the drug pushers before they have a chance to poison more children and ruin innocent lives to finance their habits.
Most of the ruined women in east vancouver are addicts.Drugs make thiefs of young men and whores of young girls .Better to hang the pushers to PROTECT the innocent.
How many of the future of this nation have to be destroyed before we start to destroy those who would kill our future .
We would not sit and let a rapid dog wander the streets killing people.Why do we allow these menace's to wander freely to prey upon the innocent children.
When i heard about shoot a dog day on one of the reserve's up north as a means of controlling problem dog's,I said why don't you guy's have shoot a crack dealer day that would solve most of your problems in one day.

Driving Rain · Post by **Driving Rain** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 9:33 am

http://www.torontosun.com/News/Columnis ... 05613.html

The Chinese have the right idea. Anyone who is a danger to the state is eligible. I love the part where the FALUN GONG people provide oragans for the needy. If I ever need an organ transplant, I'm going to China. I'm going to specify one from a FALUN GONG. Their crime is living healthy and happy.

For sale: $25,000 for a liver

By Peter Worthington
It's long been known that China "harvests" the organs of people it executes, for sale to those who need transplants and can afford to pay.

The Chinese government from time to time denies this is being done. At other times it soft-pedals allegations by declaring the sale of organs is illegal. That's true -- for citizens, but not the state. Some difference!

Considering that China "officially" executes up to 4,500 people a year (critics claim the number is closer to 10,000) for some 68 "crimes" that carry the death penalty, it means lots of organs.

Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and the U.S. State Department are some that consistently deplore the Chinese practice. While dozens of countries have the death penalty, none apply it as enthusiastically as China.

As much as 90% of all "legal" executions in the world are carried out in China -- with the victim's family even paying for the bullet and for the person's accommodation on death row.

If there's money to be made from an ethically questionable practice, communist China will find a way to profit from it.

Human rights investigators say China's sale of human organs -- hearts, lungs, livers, corneas -- to needy visitors nets up to $30,000 US dollars each.

The Sunday Telegraph reports that human rights activist Harry Wu, a former Chinese citizen, was informed that the organs of 50 prisoners on death row would be available during the year: $25,000 for livers, $20,000 for kidneys, $5,000 for corneas.

A U.S. human rights subcommittee was told that "anecdotal and circumstantial evidence" regarding the removal of organs from executed prisoners for sale to foreigners and wealthy Chinese "is substantial, credible and growing." There are also first-hand reports of removing organs from living prisoners.

During "Strike Hard" campaigns against crime, the Chinese execute up to 800 people a month; the time between arrest and execution may be a few days or even less. Sometimes prisoners go from the courtroom to the execution grounds. Appeals rarely reverse the verdict.

Recently the Washington Post reported babies are being kidnapped in China and sold to orphanages, which adopt them out to foreigners who pay $10,000 to $20,000 per child. (This is not to suggest all babies adopted in China have been kidnapped. With a population of 1.2 billion, China has no shortage of abandoned kids, especially unwanted girls.)

A more grisly practice has recently come to light. The Echo Times, which specializes in reporting human rights abuses, recently ran accounts from an unidentified Chinese reporter who penetrated the secret underground Sujiatun Prison, in the northeastern city of Shenyang, where 6,000 Falun Gong practitioners are confined.

Falun Gong is a religious sect that believes in meditation and good works. Its unforgivable sin is that it's often more popular than the Communist party, thus invoking persecution by Chinese authorities.

The prison is directly connected to a hospital where prospective organ buyers have been told there's only a two-day wait for organs -- unheard of unless the "donor" is about to be killed. Of the thousands who've been sent to Sujiatun prison, no one is known ever to have returned.

China often convicts Falun Gong people for their beliefs, and apparently executes them for their organs.

In prisons, there's pressure on inmates to donate their organs before they are executed. But shortcuts are taken.

China's use of prisoners as guinea pigs, or as a supply to meet world demand, makes Nazi medical experimentation seem almost benign comparison.

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 1:04 pm

Driving Rain wrote:
China's use of prisoners as guinea pigs, or as a supply to meet world demand, makes Nazi medical experimentation seem almost benign comparison.

Not to you DR, in response to the article, lol, if "these people" came up with the cure for aids or cancer, you'd all be smiling and all those needy would be glad to take said cures.....

Driving Rain · Post by **Driving Rain** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 2:35 pm

cyyz wrote:
Driving Rain wrote:
China's use of prisoners as guinea pigs, or as a supply to meet world demand, makes Nazi medical experimentation seem almost benign comparison.
Not to you DR, in response to the article, lol, if "these people" came up with the cure for aids or cancer, you'd all be smiling and all those needy would be glad to take said cures.....

Adolph Eichmann and Joesph Mengele said very same thing thing. Go figure.

Walker · Post by **Walker** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:59 pm

2R I am going to assume that was a troll….. But ill bite anyway

ok so…. To the topic of drugs in general. There will ALWAYS be people who will want to buy drugs. And there will ALLWAYS be people willing to take a risk to supply those drugs. What does the drug trade cost society?
a) $$ for drug enforcement
b) $$ for the judiciary
c) $$ for incarceration (or execution depending where you live)
d) $$ losses through theft
e) $$ losses from reduced workforce (IE how many junkies make good workers)
f) Social cost of junkies (IE family stress etc…)
g) $$ for medical treatment

What benefit do drugs give society
a) stimulates a section of the economy (for example people who make metal halide lights, fertilizer etc..)
b) recreational “fun” for those who do not become addicts (the majority)

Now as that formula is written I think there is no doubt that drugs are a bad…. However!
Here is another model too look at…

Total legalization of all narcotics
Cost:
a) $$ losses through theft
b) $$ losses from reduced workforce (IE how many junkies make good workers)
c) Social cost of junkies (IE family stress etc…)
d) Reduced border efficiency

Possible benefits:
a) No enforcement expenditure
b) No judiciary expenditure
c) No incarceration expenditure
d) stimulates a section of the economy (for example people who make metal halide lights, fertilizer etc..)
e) recreational “fun” for those who do not become addicts
f) a SHIT load of Tax revenue…
g) Social benefit of having freedom of choice (some would argue this is a negative)

The amount of $$ that is expended by the taxpayer in the drug battle is simply astronomical does anyone even want to GUESS what it is in the states right now…. Really Ill leave that open for you to find out…
If drugs were legalized in North America what percentage of organized crime would disappear overnight? How many more people would become addicts if heavy “drugs are bad” campaigns were continued? Why is alcohol socially acceptable? If it was invented right now in someone’s garage how much do you want to bet it would be illegal inside 8 months?

Why are cigarettes taxed so heavily in Canada? One answer is in an attempt to reduce consumption… Why… because there are health costs that the sate (IE medicare) has to pay for… well that is also why they are taxed, to recover the increased cost in healthcare. A smoker DOES cost the system more money… But that same smoker over the last 20 years has poured a LOT more of their money into the social coffers by means of cigarette tax. This is what is called an externality; there are external costs of smoking so a tax system is introduced and balance is restored. Plus as a bonus the gov collects monies over and above the increased health costs which can be spent on roads, schools, army, parks, etc…

So a total legalization of all narcotics would:
-eliminate a large section of crime,
-reduce the cost of fighting said crime,
-Yield MASSIVE quantities of tax $$s that would MORE than pay for medical costs, advertising campaigns, social costs, losses from theft, Losses from reduced efficiency, and I would argue even border slowdowns etc.. ( I mean really the auto industry is as good as dead here anyway)

So really if you look at things what costs would Increase if there was legalization…..? If introduced properly I imagine we could keep the number of addicts from increasing by a lot. So the only increase in costs would be possible border issues…. We would be eliminating a tremendous cost (law enforcement) and Adding a great benefit… (Taxes) We still have to pay for the addicts right now as it is, at least by legalization we could make the drug users pay for themselves rather than having all of society pick up the tab on their behalf. Plus there would be a guarantee as to purity (not laced with draino) etc… less people would get HIV etc…

I will point out that in BC alone in 2003 it was estimated that the pot industry is worth more than CANADA’S COMBINED Wheat, Cattle, forestry, and Fisheries industries…. That is one hell of a lot of tax revenue going to waste…

Point:
Drugs have been around for ever, they aren’t going anywhere, the least we can do is take them out of the alleyways into the light of day and have them actually contribute something to society than remain an endless burden to us…

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 1:01 am

Prohabition didn't work in the thirties. Why is it such a hot idea now?