So...how did the teacher's strike affect students in college aviation programs?....must have cut into some serious class and flight time? Anybody lose the year or think they will because of not enough hours etc while the strike was on?
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fingersmac
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for first year students at confed, they extended the semester by the two weeks of class time that we lost due to the strike (the third week during the strike was our march break).
as for the flying, first years students normally spend most of the summer here in thunder bay flying. i guess in previous years students were able to go home for most of august. we've been told that we will most likely not have that option this year due to the loss of fligth time during the strike.
as for the second year students, i believe their semester has been extended by two weeks and they have been given priority in terms of flight time so that they can finish up asap.
not sure about any other schools and their respective semester completion programs.
as for the flying, first years students normally spend most of the summer here in thunder bay flying. i guess in previous years students were able to go home for most of august. we've been told that we will most likely not have that option this year due to the loss of fligth time during the strike.
as for the second year students, i believe their semester has been extended by two weeks and they have been given priority in terms of flight time so that they can finish up asap.
not sure about any other schools and their respective semester completion programs.
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Once again, the college students get fucked over by the system. If it's not one thing, it's another... I'll bet the instructors and CFIs are pretty pissed too.
I could rant on this for a million years, but I'll just say, "Hang in there students! You can do it! Just graduate, and get the @#$! out of there!"
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I could rant on this for a million years, but I'll just say, "Hang in there students! You can do it! Just graduate, and get the @#$! out of there!"
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RANT ALERT!!!!!!!!!
I love striking teachers!
"We demand":
1. More Money
2. More Holidays
3. Better Benefits
4. Smaller Classes
It's the same old sh1t every year all across Canada!
The crazy thing is that when each teacher starts at Teachers College they know damn-well what kind of a life they are in for because 'everything' is published. Salaries, benefits, holidays, and class sizes, are all public information...just check-out every provincial Ministry of Education website.
One day it suddenly hits them that they are never going to own the 4,000 square-foot house with a three car garage and...off to the union office they go!
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PS. I wish I got three months paid holidays every year!
I love striking teachers!
"We demand":
1. More Money
2. More Holidays
3. Better Benefits
4. Smaller Classes
It's the same old sh1t every year all across Canada!
The crazy thing is that when each teacher starts at Teachers College they know damn-well what kind of a life they are in for because 'everything' is published. Salaries, benefits, holidays, and class sizes, are all public information...just check-out every provincial Ministry of Education website.
One day it suddenly hits them that they are never going to own the 4,000 square-foot house with a three car garage and...off to the union office they go!
G
PS. I wish I got three months paid holidays every year!
"Slow and steady wins the race"
The crazy thing is that when each pilot starts at an Aviation College they know damn-well what kind of a life they are in for because 'everything' is published. Salaries, benefits, holidays, and aircraft sizes, are all public information...just check-out every other post on Avcanada.greenwich wrote:It's the same old sh1t every year all across Canada!
Sounds like a lot of pilots I know...
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TopperHarley
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greenwich,
Obviously you don't know much about the lifestyle of teachers here in this country. Many people assume it's an easy job. You work 5 days a week 8-3pm, you have weekends off, plus you get the summers off- sounds great, right? Well, I'm sure it's not as glamorous as you think it is.
How do you react when people tell you, "you're a pilot? Ah man, that has to be the sweetest job in the world. You get paid to travel all over the world and you must make a lot of money!" Again, comments like this are pretty ignorant, but these people don't know any better since they are not pilots. Likewise, we are not teachers.
My father was a high-school teacher for about 40 years. I know he enjoyed his job often, but he will also tell you that it was a nightmare at other times. Dealing with punk kids who think they are know-it-alls and don't need to be taught anything can be pretty difficult to deal with. When he retired, I believe he was making around $70,000 or so. When you start teaching, you earn around $24,000 or less, which really isn't that much.
Obviously you don't know much about the lifestyle of teachers here in this country. Many people assume it's an easy job. You work 5 days a week 8-3pm, you have weekends off, plus you get the summers off- sounds great, right? Well, I'm sure it's not as glamorous as you think it is.
How do you react when people tell you, "you're a pilot? Ah man, that has to be the sweetest job in the world. You get paid to travel all over the world and you must make a lot of money!" Again, comments like this are pretty ignorant, but these people don't know any better since they are not pilots. Likewise, we are not teachers.
My father was a high-school teacher for about 40 years. I know he enjoyed his job often, but he will also tell you that it was a nightmare at other times. Dealing with punk kids who think they are know-it-alls and don't need to be taught anything can be pretty difficult to deal with. When he retired, I believe he was making around $70,000 or so. When you start teaching, you earn around $24,000 or less, which really isn't that much.
"Never travel faster than your guardian angel can fly." - Mother Theresa
And before anyone starts in on the amount of money you need to spend to become a commercial pilot. A B.Ed takes 5 years at an average student cost of( On average, a U of C student living in residence and taking a full course load (five courses per semester) spends $10,000 to $15,000 per year, depending on lifestyle. ). Re the hours, most good teachers (and that is most of them) spend time at night and weekends marking and preparing their materials for the next class / week. A lot that I know spend their summers improving their skills. .CD wrote:The crazy thing is that when each pilot starts at an Aviation College they know damn-well what kind of a life they are in for because 'everything' is published. Salaries, benefits, holidays, and aircraft sizes, are all public information...just check-out every other post on Avcanada.greenwich wrote:It's the same old sh1t every year all across Canada!
Sounds like a lot of pilots I know...
http://www.teachers.ab.ca/Salary+and+Be ... 007%29.htm Current Calgary Teachers Contract. In case you want to compare it with your own.
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I'm curious to see when the last aviation strike was and just how long it lasted. I remember a few in the past but it did not shut down the entire aviation industry. and we were left with possible alternatives. however I fail to accept that these teachers can go on strike and all of us working plebs have to scramble in order to find daycare, babysitters, grand parents to help out.
CD, C-hris, Longtimer, what did / would the dispatch guys at your company say when all of a sudden you are stuck at home because some dumb s**ts feel that they have the right to determine that they are not going to work today because they miscalculated the cost of living vs. the pay that they get as a teacher
We each made our beds and now it is time to sleep in them. We chose our career path either for money, love of the job or our own personal reasons. if you chose wrong or without the facts that makes you an idiot and does not mean that I should be held liable for your miscalculation for a career.
The next thing I am expecting to hear is that McDonalds employees who are 30-40 years old and "Lifers" are going on strike for better wages, more time off, less customers blah, blah, blah...
As for working long days, evenings, weekends to mark papers, prepare classes etc. this has been part of the job for many years and if the don't like it. they know where to go, and I don't mean the union office
so next time you think that as you have been in the industry for less than 10 years and that you should be getting more than you are then take off your blinders and reconsider if this is where you want to be, if you are prepared to suck it out to get to the next level be it regional, national, or international etc. then great
otherwise.
GET THE F**K OUT and take the rest of the picketers with you
That being said if there arre safety concerns or as such I don't have a problems with strikes, but my patience only goes so far.
CD, C-hris, Longtimer, what did / would the dispatch guys at your company say when all of a sudden you are stuck at home because some dumb s**ts feel that they have the right to determine that they are not going to work today because they miscalculated the cost of living vs. the pay that they get as a teacher
We each made our beds and now it is time to sleep in them. We chose our career path either for money, love of the job or our own personal reasons. if you chose wrong or without the facts that makes you an idiot and does not mean that I should be held liable for your miscalculation for a career.
The next thing I am expecting to hear is that McDonalds employees who are 30-40 years old and "Lifers" are going on strike for better wages, more time off, less customers blah, blah, blah...
As for working long days, evenings, weekends to mark papers, prepare classes etc. this has been part of the job for many years and if the don't like it. they know where to go, and I don't mean the union office
so next time you think that as you have been in the industry for less than 10 years and that you should be getting more than you are then take off your blinders and reconsider if this is where you want to be, if you are prepared to suck it out to get to the next level be it regional, national, or international etc. then great
otherwise.
GET THE F**K OUT and take the rest of the picketers with you
That being said if there arre safety concerns or as such I don't have a problems with strikes, but my patience only goes so far.
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I wasn't supporting the idea of a strike. I was just trying to make a point that teachers don't have it as easy as many people think they do. Personally, I am against striking and would only agree with it in extreme situations, as you pointed out.
"Never travel faster than your guardian angel can fly." - Mother Theresa
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A Pilot's life is measured in six minute intervals.
Since you were curious, Air Canada pilots walked out on September 3rd, 1998. I don't think they were out for very long but it did shut the entire company down. Air Canada operated about 600 flights a day carrying upwards of 60,000 passengers at the time - all of whom were a wee bit inconvenienced.PC12's are better wrote:I'm curious to see when the last aviation strike was and just how long it lasted.
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what did / would the dispatch guys at your company say when all of a sudden you are stuck at home because some dumb s**ts feel that they have the right to determine that they are not going to work today because they miscalculated the cost of living vs. the pay that they get as a pilot
In 1997, the pilots at Air Canada's four regional carriers--Air BC, Air Ontario, Air Alliance and Air Nova--were on strike for more than 50 days.The pilots have been pressing for a significant wage increase to bring the pay scale at Air Canada more in line with the North American norm. Pilots at the major US airlines make between 30 and 50 percent more than their counterparts at Air Canada, although 70 percent of Air Canada's flights are to or from foreign--i.e., mainly US--destinations.
Agreed!PC12's are better wrote:That being said if there are safety concerns or as such I don't have a problems with strikes, but my patience only goes so far.
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I remember the 1998 strke and yes there were "some" people inconvenienced. 60,000 flights per day. HOWEVER the strike i remember only lasted for a few days.
most people ended up taking another airline or made any other arrangements and others. well so be it . however there are what, approximatly 300,000 students in bc alone. so it would take 5 days to equal the number of cancelled flights by big red.
besides the provincial government ruled that the teachers were declared an essential service and ordered them back to work. and yet they still stayed off. I don't remember the geys and gals at big red being ordered back.
and Where'd who go?,
Byte me.
I'm sure that you are there in the front of the line during the pickets.
I think that Greenwich has hit this one on the nose.
Cheers
most people ended up taking another airline or made any other arrangements and others. well so be it . however there are what, approximatly 300,000 students in bc alone. so it would take 5 days to equal the number of cancelled flights by big red.
besides the provincial government ruled that the teachers were declared an essential service and ordered them back to work. and yet they still stayed off. I don't remember the geys and gals at big red being ordered back.
and Where'd who go?,
Byte me.
I'm sure that you are there in the front of the line during the pickets.
I think that Greenwich has hit this one on the nose.
Cheers
