F/O Pay

learcapt · Post by **learcapt** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 9:24 am

Hey guys. Just curious, a lot has been said outside of WJ regarding new pay scales. Can anyone tell me what new F/O start pay is?

Thanks

Snow Monkey · Post by **Snow Monkey** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 2:58 pm

BASED ON 25% OPTIONS

Yr 1 see other post
Yr2 see other post
Yr3 78,828 + 7312 options = 86,139
Yr4 82380 + 7312 options = 89,691
Yr5 85295 + 7312 options = 92,606

There are other combinations of your option choices this is the one that gives you the most cash without the risk of all the options. There are some other extras you can get ie training outside your block and productivtity pay.

Question on the new pay rates at West Jet
This thread may also help particularly Ryan Cokes post

corrected for accuracy

cedar tree · Post by **cedar tree** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 3:13 pm

Well wrote out Snow Monkey! Can you do the same thing for the Captain pay?

What is the growth in the current business plan, how long for a left seat based on max growth in the business plan? 12 pilots per aircraft? What ideas/rumors are coming down the tube over at WJ?

learcapt · Post by **learcapt** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 5:05 pm

wow, i had no idea they had gone up that much! very nice

thanks a lot

Kenny Blankenship · Post by **Kenny Blankenship** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 5:26 pm

when I did my phone interview last week they told me 40000 to start with the option of ESP and profit share down the road, nothing they said added up to 64000

Can you elaborate a little on this please.

I've already decide to take the job if I get an offer, but 64 would be a little more comfortable.

Cheers

KB

Canus Chinookus · Post by **Canus Chinookus** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 5:52 pm

snow monkey forgot that year one and 2 will be different as of may 1st and will start as Kenny said. The year 3 and up is correct though. The reason is to be relatively in line with a year one and two when compared to other airlines. I'm too lazy to dig up the 2nd year numbers but I believe it's that same stock option plus 50g.

Snow Monkey · Post by **Snow Monkey** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 7:45 pm

Hey CC,

You are right I just went from what was proposed. What are the hard and fast numbers for yr.1 and2 ? May help some of these guys make a decision on what path they travel.

WJ700 · Post by **WJ700** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 8:36 pm

I was hesitant to post since I didn't know the exact number... but I think its the hourly rate of 80 hours per month times 12 months to equal 40K per year plus a 6.75% raise, then the old year 2 pay at 50K turned in to an hourly rate plus 6.75%, then year three and up is accurate. If I get specifics I'll post them up.

Kenny Blankenship · Post by **Kenny Blankenship** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 9:13 pm

Canus Chinookus wrote:snow monkey forgot that year one and 2 will be different as of may 1st and will start as Kenny said. The year 3 and up is correct though. The reason is to be relatively in line with a year one and two when compared to other airlines. I'm too lazy to dig up the 2nd year numbers but I believe it's that same stock option plus 50g.

So If your hired before May 1 , would you see the 64Gs or would it still be 40gs.

Thanks guys

KB

sprucemonkey · Post by **sprucemonkey** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 9:46 pm

The cutoff has PASSED guys. Did you read the contract? Or just what pertained to you?

For the "NEW" new hires, it works out to be a CUT in pay compared to the previous 10 years. A good question to ask the 18 or so who voted 'no' is why???

WJ could've raised the bar in Canadian aviation to where it used to be but.....

"Naw, lets just stay a no frills LCC."

Too bad really. It would've brought the moral WAY up.

Snow Monkey · Post by **Snow Monkey** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 10:16 pm

Yr.1 41.67/hr + 5000 in stock
Yr.2 52.08/hr + 5000 in stock
Yr.3 as posted above

Did some more reading.

Machiavelli · Post by **Machiavelli** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 11:07 pm

Morale is high. Thanks for your concern.

Why be another troll with wrong information?

Canus Chinookus · Post by **Canus Chinookus** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 12:09 am

the bottom line is yr 1 and 2 won't be much different than it is now. I can't remember where the cutoff was, nor do I really care right now.

cheers.

WJ700 · Post by **WJ700** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 7:45 am

sprucemonkey wrote:The cutoff has PASSED guys. Did you read the contract? Or just what pertained to you?

For the "NEW" new hires, it works out to be a CUT in pay compared to the previous 10 years. A good question to ask the 18 or so who voted 'no' is why???

WJ could've raised the bar in Canadian aviation to where it used to be but.....

"Naw, lets just stay a no frills LCC."

Too bad really. It would've brought the moral WAY up.

I'll bet you won't post your airline or their first year pay if we ask... but why not. Lets see all of your hard work and compare the two. Also, can you tell us what kind of scheduling rules that new hire will have? Will him or her hold a nice block, with some sweet pairings, less than 15 days of work and will they be all but guaranteed Christmas and New Years off?

gelbisch · Post by **gelbisch** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 8:29 am

But will they get a delicious bass??

Canus Chinookus · Post by **Canus Chinookus** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 10:24 am

Every new F/O gets his own pet Liger!

sprucemonkey · Post by **sprucemonkey** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 10:56 am

Machiavelli wrote:Morale is high. Thanks for your concern.

Why be another troll with wrong information?

Wrong info? I'm in the ground school now.

Canus Chinookus · Post by **Canus Chinookus** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 11:42 am

you're in the groundschool and already you have a bad attitude? Wow, welcome aboard.

Swamp Donkey · Post by **Swamp Donkey** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 1:21 pm

spruce,

you must have filled out the wrong application form. Yours was supposed to say "Air Canada", and in the box that says "attributes" you were supposed to put "I whine a lot".

WJ700 · Post by **WJ700** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:47 am

Wrong info? I'm in the ground school now.

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Wow... we got a smart one. What kind of idiot would admit that on an internet chat board? Didn't they tell you the pay before you started? I guess its a lot lower compared to everyone else in Canada, and even the US. Don't have too many beers at the party after your exams are done, you may say too much again.

sprucemonkey · Post by **sprucemonkey** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:02 am

Guys, my 1st post was correct. This one is too.

Please practice 'catch and release'. It keeps the WJ forum busy.

The Hammer · Post by **The Hammer** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:32 am

"the bottom line is yr 1 and 2 won't be much different than it is now. I can't remember where the cutoff was, nor do I really care right now."

Nice attitude Canus!!! I don't care cause it ain't me!!! What's next?? Are you going to be the president of the "OWJ" club!!! You fine sir, are clearly very qualified to work at AC!!! Maybe even over-qualified

Canus Chinookus · Post by **Canus Chinookus** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 12:20 pm

I figured someone would read it that way. It was late, my kids ran me ragged, and I really didn't care. If someone wants to find out that badly, I'll look it up, but it seems like we just have forum trolls trying to stir shit up, so why should I care?

tonysoprano · Post by **tonysoprano** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 1:44 pm

Canus. Just admit it. The real question is, "how does this affect me?". Being an old boy at WJ, it really doesn't, does it. Yep and it's been said that ACPA eat their young.

CanadaEH · Post by **CanadaEH** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 2:02 pm

Holy crap are you people critical.

I guess you guys have a right, though... after six years you still can't get your shit together and find a way to work as a collective "professional" group.