How could I prove myslef is not "Bad Guy"???

[757AME]

Hi, All,

Could anyone of yours got some experience how to grant TSC(trasportation Secrity Clearance) through Transport Canada?

1. When I arrived in Canada, I was told I had to have a AME license.
2. When I got the license, I was told I have to have "Local experience",
3. When I have both, I was told I have to live in Canada for over 5 years to grant TSC...........

When I submit all of my information for past 5 years to TC, I was told information for the period of time I spent outside of Canada is "un -reliable and Un-verifiable", because TC doesn't have formal mechanism to carry out "out-of-country" check, although all document was natarized proved. and the Notary public office is CIC approved.

Is there anyone know if there is some orginization will do put-of-country check? I was told only RCMP and CSIS was accepted by TC.

Thanks for help.

[aero-singidunum]

From wich country did you come to Canada, citizenship?

[757AME]

China,PR and I am still a landed immigrant. One of my firned is from Taiwan, he had the same problem.

From wich country did you come to Canada, citizenship?

[aero-singidunum]

Get you Canadian Citizenship and passport and then will be fine. I did not have this problems when i came to Canada, 1991.

[757AME]

Thanks for reply, I am waiting for answer from some TC approved "investigative agent" now. I don't think it will work, but it will be my last try before being pushed into "virtual jail".

I also found some interesting introduction about the TSC program at internet. The result is, "Innocent until proven guilty" doesn't work at TC.

Get you Canadian Citizenship and passport and then will be fine. I did not have this problems when i came to Canada, 1991.

[fmrc3ame]

If you held Chinese License you should be able to contact CAAC and get a historical record of your file. It may be in Chinese but you could have it translated and give to transport. At least if you translate documents TC could have an idea of your work history.

[757AME]

Yes, you are right. When I applied for TSC (Transportation Security Clearance), I had submited all of my support documents. those includes:
1. All of my license: CAAC,FAA,AME
2. Criminal Record which covered past 5 years. (Notarized translated by CIC approved Notary public office)
3. All of my employment letters from my previous employers

No matter what I did, so long the document is from other country, TC will regard it as "un- verifiable and un- reliable". The reason is "There is no formal mechanism for TC to do "out-of-Country" background check for individual applicant", I was also told TC only rely on information from RCMP and CSIS. I don't think these 2 offices will handle my case application. Their decision really made me upset...if I am a "fresh gratuate" from school, I will not have any objection.

I just couldn't keep staying outside of apron and staying away from aircrafts for another one and half years to prove myself is not "bad guy".

If you held Chinese License you should be able to contact CAAC and get a historical record of your file. It may be in Chinese but you could have it translated and give to transport. At least if you translate documents TC could have an idea of your work history.

[CID]

757AME,

If you don't mind telling us, what TC office are you dealing with?

[plainfixer]

You will need a letter from the Issuing Authority in China that Issued your Airside pass when you worked in china.
There is a mechanism to verify your overseas history - its you!
Before 9/11 Transport Canada did is this automatically, and now days you have to do it.
So get an original letter from the Security people in China, have it translated and hand this into the"special branch" in Ottawa of transport canada.
Just remember its not just you who goes thru this, anyone who applies for a new/renewal of their airside pass and has been overseas working for more than 24hrs will have to produce some form of original document from that country.

Good luck, your patience will be streched beyond your current comprehension.

[757AME]

Hi,CID, you should know there is only one place will handle this application, it is in Ottawa. the office at each local airport will be only responsible for transfering the document to there.

757AME,

If you don't mind telling us, what TC office are you dealing with?

[757AME]

Thanks for your suggestion. as what you said, I had submited any supporting documents to TC from my previous employers in China. I started to work at aviation field from 1989 and worked at 2 different international airports for over 14 years (Base maintenance and line maintenance).

The key point is, I had been told only RCMP or CSIS will be accepted by TC. I hope it is not a hint to tell me don't "waste" time to do it ,just continue to live in Canada for another one and half years. By reading your last sentence, you should absolutely understand my current feeling.

I will consult local RCMP or CSIS from this issue, at meantime, I will continue to collect any possible supporting document,even what I do may be in vain...........

Thanks for your suggestion again.

You will need a letter from the Issuing Authority in China that Issued your Airside pass when you worked in china.
There is a mechanism to verify your overseas history - its you!
Before 9/11 Transport Canada did is this automatically, and now days you have to do it.
So get an original letter from the Security people in China, have it translated and hand this into the"special branch" in Ottawa of transport canada.
Just remember its not just you who goes thru this, anyone who applies for a new/renewal of their airside pass and has been overseas working for more than 24hrs will have to produce some form of original document from that country.

Good luck, your patience will be streched beyond your current comprehension.

[fmrc3ame]

B757AME, Just out of curiosity are you working in aviation now? If you are you could ask your current employer for help in obtaining the correct documentation and who you should provide this to. Each company has personel who are able to help with security issues and background checks. I know that this is frustrating but don't give up on your dream. Keep trying and use contacts who are in aviation now. Good luck to you.

[plainfixer]

The RCMP and CSIS will only help you with security issues in Canada.

You need to contact the depertment in China that issued you your security card to work on airside.

The "special branch" of transport canada in Ottawa, only want to see evidence that you had some sort of security clearance before coming to Canada. Once you have this letter from the department who issued your security card in china, you can then take that letter to CSIS or RCMP and they might write another letter saying that its true and that security department in China really does exist.

The "special branch" in Ottawa does accept letters from certain other countries, it just depends on what country it comes from. So in your case passing your letter from China to CSIS or RCMP might help your chances.

Otherwise you will have to wait until you have 5 years of clear history here in Canada.
9/11 has screwed a whole lot of things in many countries. 9/11 is now an excuse to deploy many of these regulations and decisions which otherwise would not have been done by the authorities. Its sad, its unfair, but its true and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

I know exactly what you are going thru, coz I have delt with the "special branch" in Ottawa before.

Good luck.

[757AME]

I will try it in this week.

B757AME, Just out of curiosity are you working in aviation now? If you are you could ask your current employer for help in obtaining the correct documentation and who you should provide this to. Each company has personel who are able to help with security issues and background checks. I know that this is frustrating but don't give up on your dream. Keep trying and use contacts who are in aviation now. Good luck to you.

[757AME]

Thanks a lot. I will try it also in recent time.

The RCMP and CSIS will only help you with security issues in Canada.

You need to contact the depertment in China that issued you your security card to work on airside.

The "special branch" of transport canada in Ottawa, only want to see evidence that you had some sort of security clearance before coming to Canada. Once you have this letter from the department who issued your security card in china, you can then take that letter to CSIS or RCMP and they might write another letter saying that its true and that security department in China really does exist.

The "special branch" in Ottawa does accept letters from certain other countries, it just depends on what country it comes from. So in your case passing your letter from China to CSIS or RCMP might help your chances.

Otherwise you will have to wait until you have 5 years of clear history here in Canada.
9/11 has screwed a whole lot of things in many countries. 9/11 is now an excuse to deploy many of these regulations and decisions which otherwise would not have been done by the authorities. Its sad, its unfair, but its true and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

I know exactly what you are going thru, coz I have delt with the "special branch" in Ottawa before.

Good luck.