To All our Bitches

CGZMT · Post by **CGZMT** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:22 pm

This goes out to all our bitches. Our pets that is. My dog loved to fly with me and just recently, well this morning, she had to be put down. After thirteen long years it was hard. I hear of pilot saluting other pilots that have passed away but what about mans best friend. Its kinda funny when you drop something on the floor and you yell the dogs names no one shows, or when you hold the door open when you go out side waiting for the dog, and then it dawns on you that she's not with ya any more.
So heres one to all pets in aviation that keep their owners happy and stress free.

By the way guess i will never find out where my left shoe went!

N2 · Post by N2 » Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:29 pm

Tough thing to do...alot of people don't understand just how attached you can get to a pet. I had my cat put down after 20 years of being together and it was like losing a member of the family...leaving my wife was easier than having her put down.

Chin up mate!

happy_flyer · Post by **happy_flyer** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:31 pm

Man that sucks. I feel for you - I don't know what I am going to do when that day comes.

Big Pratt · Post by **Big Pratt** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:45 pm

Yeah that's hard. I've been there once.
Now I got two cats, Jimi and Hendrix.
They're only 3 years old so won't have to go through that again for some time.

leaving my wife was easier than having her put down.

Ummm.... she musta been some bitch to even considering putting her down.... You were refering to your wife throughout the whole sentence, right?

Kepp your head up!

fmrc3ame · Post by **fmrc3ame** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:45 pm

I understand your loss. I had to deal with 2 family members (dogs) within the same year. I felt as though I never wanted to go through that again. But then a friend came over with his dog they were going to give to the pound but she was too old for adoption. We took her in and now have a new member in the family. She won't replace my other dogs but she is a welcome member in our family.

Springbok 2 · Post by **Springbok 2** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:59 pm

My wife #2 told demanded that I make a choice between her and my dog, a staffordshire bullterrier.................I told her that I was going to miss her

niss · Post by **niss** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:53 pm

Two years ago in december we had to put our 8 year old dog Oreo down. She all within the course of a week got an infection of the blood. The day we put her down she couldnt even lift herself. She went from healthy and rambunctious to withered and tired. Allthough I will always remember the good times.

Sorry to hear about your loss.......not many people do realise how painful it is.

Sulako · Post by **Sulako** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:49 am

I will tip a glass to you and your dog this evening after my flight.

I'm a cat person and I have had a few great cats over the years. Including the best cat ever, my siamese, Diane from Siam.

Godspeed to our lost pets!

flaps40 · Post by **flaps40** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:07 am

I to have lost a great dog, smarter than some people, yes I missed him after he got killed, but never once did I eqaulize him with family. Go sit beside your best friend who"s son just got killed in a car accident and tell him you know just how he feels because you had a pet die once.Give your freakin heads a shake. For all of you that liken pets to family or children, for the sake of the children I hope you never have any. I grew up on a working farm and know the value of life, any life. But human life is without equal. Just ask my friend.

Mike Falk · Post by **Mike Falk** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:16 am

flaps40 wrote:I to have lost a great dog, smarter than some people, yes I missed him after he got killed, but never once did I eqaulize him with family. Go sit beside your best friend who"s son just got killed in a car accident and tell him you know just how he feels because you had a pet die once.Give your freakin heads a shake. For all of you that liken pets to family or children, for the sake of the children I hope you never have any. I grew up on a working farm and know the value of life, any life. But human life is without equal. Just ask my friend.

Sorry Bud, maybe I missed something but no where did I read that anyone was comparing a human life with an animal. I feel for these guys as I have lost a dog myself after 18 years, its not easy especially when that dog was in the family before I was.

Miss Mae · Post by **Miss Mae** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:38 am

CGZMT wrote:This goes out to all our bitches. Our pets that is. My dog loved to fly with me and just recently, well this morning, she had to be put down. After thirteen long years it was hard. I hear of pilot saluting other pilots that have passed away but what about mans best friend. Its kinda funny when you drop something on the floor and you yell the dogs names no one shows, or when you hold the door open when you go out side waiting for the dog, and then it dawns on you that she's not with ya any more.
So heres one to all pets in aviation that keep their owners happy and stress free.

Very sorry to hear of your pet's passing.

flaps40 · Post by **flaps40** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:52 am

There are several on this forum that call their pets family members. Sorry but in my world my family members are brothers and sisters, Mom and Dad, grandpa etc. It is so sad that in some cases pets get treated better than children do. Maybe the reason we place our pets in such high regard is because they expect nothing of us except the very basics, and that is so much easier to do than considering what another human might like. I missed my dog a lot but to liken his dying to that of a family member is just wrong.

N2 · Post by N2 » Tue Apr 11, 2006 12:34 pm

"I missed my dog a lot but to liken his dying to that of a family member is just wrong."

That is your opinion and to be honest I don't think care what you think is right or wrong.

And happy I should have considered putting the ex down too..would have been a lot cheaper than the divorce!

flaps40 · Post by **flaps40** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 12:39 pm

N2 If you don't care what I think I'm OK with that, but why then, are you responding?

N2 · Post by N2 » Tue Apr 11, 2006 12:40 pm

Just to let you know, but then again you probably don't care what I think either....so it's a level playing field.

CGZMT · Post by **CGZMT** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 1:21 pm

N2, how can you not treat pets like family sure you lived on a farm. You see animals come and go. But still, whos always there in the morning to eat breakfast with ya, and to drool all over your leg. Truthfully i can't see any of your family running around on all fours fetching sticks and balls can ya? You never tosed a ball or a stick to your cows? Pets have their place in the family just like brothers and sisters. The thing that makes them family is that you spend so much time with them and you connect with them. You adopt a kid he's family, you get a dog isn't that like adopting? I am just sorry that you can't find it within your self to except that pets can be family. And sorry to hear about your friend, but what about my friend of 13 years? Are they not the same?

CGZMT · Post by **CGZMT** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 2:47 pm

Sorry N2 that should be directed towars flaps 40

Sulako · Post by **Sulako** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 2:48 pm

Of course pets are family.

I'm sorry that you haven't ever bonded with a pet flaps40, cause you have lost out on a great experience.

Now I'm not saying that they are human beings, as I can draw the line there. But I loved my cat and I'm glad I had the chance to hang with her while she was on the planet.

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:38 pm

Here, to make this arguement really simple for those who think of their pets as a "family member" and those who love their pets but don't place them on the pedestal that flaps is saying is "wrong."

Scenario(and they need to be extreme)

1. Your child + beloved dog/cat/fish(whatever) is in the home and the house is on fire you can only save one, if you chose your child you obviously don't hold your pet in as high regard as you thought and maybe they're not that much of a "family member" after all.

2. Your on the titanic, boat has 3 spots left, you gave 1 to the wife and the other to your kid, now do you give up the last spot and die to your "family member" mr. Cat/dog??? Or do you say, "sorry pooch we had a nice run together, I'll miss you." if you sacrificed your life for your dog, you do hold your animal in the highest of regards and may continue to call it a "family member."

If you left your pet behind in either scenario, your pet is just like your best friend, who you'll gladly feed and let them sleep in your home when their down on their luck but when push comes to shove, you'll cut the line on them and on your pet...

It's like how some families have that best friend that always comes over and the kids call him "uncle" but he has no blood ties to the family.....

What's the saying about blood being thicker then what have you???

Flaps40 is correct, and to belittle his thoughts and reasoning, just so you can sleep better at night knowing you haven't had to face that true "sacrifice" moment between you, your family and your "pet."

Mitch Cronin · Post by **Mitch Cronin** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:00 pm

ZMT... I'm with you... Sorry to hear about your friend... I'll join Sully in that drink for you and your dog.

Flaps doesn't get it I guess 'cause he's never been there... I understand completely. They are family. CYYZ... I don't think anyone wants to "belittle" Flaps for his thoughts... but all of us think a little differently... that's all.
I know my dog wouldn't hesitate to put his life on the line to save me... I'd do the same for him...
Family.
4 legs, a long nose and a tail doesn't make them any less deserving of that kind of affection. Their absolute, unconditional devotion to their family earns them the right to that "family" designation.

rotorhead350 · Post by **rotorhead350** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:34 pm

flaps40 wrote:I to have lost a great dog, smarter than some people, yes I missed him after he got killed, but never once did I eqaulize him with family. Go sit beside your best friend who"s son just got killed in a car accident and tell him you know just how he feels because you had a pet die once.Give your freakin heads a shake. For all of you that liken pets to family or children, for the sake of the children I hope you never have any. I grew up on a working farm and know the value of life, any life. But human life is without equal. Just ask my friend.

For me over the past few years, my pet was my family. Never once was I ever let down by her. Which is more than I can say for most humans I have come into contact with, friends and family alike. Unfortuneately I had to put her down 2 months ago because of cancer. One of the most heartbreaking days I have had to experience. As far never having children, I hope I don't either. I am more than happy to have a loyal dog or cat to share my home with..........rh350

rotorhead350 · Post by **rotorhead350** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:42 pm

[quote="cyyz"]Here, to make this arguement really simple for those who think of their pets as a "family member" and those who love their pets but don't place them on the pedestal that flaps is saying is "wrong."

Scenario(and they need to be extreme)

1. Your child + beloved dog/cat/fish(whatever) is in the home and the house is on fire you can only save one, if you chose your child you obviously don't hold your pet in as high regard as you thought and maybe they're not that much of a "family member" after all.

2. Your on the titanic, boat has 3 spots left, you gave 1 to the wife and the other to your kid, now do you give up the last spot and die to your "family member" mr. Cat/dog??? Or do you say, "sorry pooch we had a nice run together, I'll miss you." if you sacrificed your life for your dog, you do hold your animal in the highest of regards and may continue to call it a "family member."

If you left your pet behind in either scenario, your pet is just like your best friend, who you'll gladly feed and let them sleep in your home when their down on their luck but when push comes to shove, you'll cut the line on them and on your pet...

It's like how some families have that best friend that always comes over and the kids call him "uncle" but he has no blood ties to the family.....

What's the saying about blood being thicker then what have you???

Flaps40 is correct, and to belittle his thoughts and reasoning, just so you can sleep better at night knowing you haven't had to face that true "sacrifice" moment between you, your family and your "pet."[/quote

If it was scenario 2, considering I don't have a wife and kid, but if I did, I would just have to "off" one of the other passengers to make room for my dog/cat. Simple...........rh350

Springbok 2 · Post by **Springbok 2** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:11 pm

Flaps40.....retract them your`e an idiot. Many folk have a truly special bond with their domestic pets and your need to assume that these bonds equate to a lack of sympathy with human loss of life is bullshit.

There are a variety of reasons that pets take on a special meaning to many people....too many to mention. My Staffie saved my life on one occassion when the human help close at hand ran like hell. I grieved when I had to put him years later when he had cancer. I would have grieved the same for close family or a friend.

fmrc3ame · Post by **fmrc3ame** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:15 pm

I thought the whole intent of this thread was to empathise the fact that a fellow member lost a beloved pet, not too belittle someone for treating a pet as a member of the family. Everyone treats pets differently like Mitch pointed out. We allow ourselves to become attached to these friends and suffer when they leave us. Each of us grieves differently and the value we place on friendship differs from person to person. Flaps 40 may have a different opinion and people may not agree with it. I feel for your friend who lost a son and I have lost friends as well. The death of a child will never compare to the loss of a pet but that doesn't mean it doesn't hurt any less.

Go Guns · Post by **Go Guns** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:54 pm

This thread is a good arguement for why the internet shouldn't exist...

My sympathy's to those who just lost their pets, family members, and best friends....

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