Route on the 340 and 767, requiring RP?

popo · Post by **popo** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:55 am

Hi guys,

Just wondering where do they go with those machines where they need an RP.
I am considering bidding the position, but I don't really have a lot of info, since I am Green with AC!!!

Where can I find the route per aircraft...type of stuff, do they only do the Asia stuff on the 340... what about Aus. and Hawai.. does the 67 go there or the 340, what about japan....

Any info would be appreciated, thanks.
Happy bidding..

Pop.

MisterNo · Post by **MisterNo** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:03 am

Son,

If you're green like you say you are, then you're part of the Position Pay Group and as such not allowed to bid any of the RP positions anyway.

Jeremy Kent · Post by **Jeremy Kent** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:13 am

Unless he's still in pilot indoc and speaking of the "wish list"?

tonysoprano · Post by **tonysoprano** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:27 am

Bullshit. Lots of newhires are given RP positions. I can't believe the nonsense on this forum.
Popo. Go to the 340 and 767 pairings for last month. You will find out where they go and what the pairings are like. With the movement on this bid you will stand a good chance to be an RP if that's what you want.
Good luck.

Jaques Strappe · Post by **Jaques Strappe** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:14 am

Thats affirmative on the bullshit.

The 767 does Tel Aviv, Delhi, Japan, Chilie and Brazil. The 340 does China and also Delhi in summer as well as Brazil. The 777 wil be doing Aus. Do like Tony suggests and look at the pairings on Aeronet. I think the 340 will eventually be a dying aircraft so I would think about that.

Lost in Saigon · Post by **Lost in Saigon** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:41 am

Yes, Lots of newhires are given RP positions as their intial assignment.

But, I would say that MisterNo is right. Unless you have just been recently hired and haven't been assigned a position yet, there really is no way to bid an RP position.

A newhire can't bid a position every 6 months. PG pilots are frozen from bidding within the PG. I suppose the company might release you if there are too many vacancies. But that is not likely.

The PG LOU does allows you to bid out of PG anytime though. It is possible to bid 320 FO even though you were just trained on the EMJ or as an RP.

Just another exanmple of how this PG LOU is actully costing the company money. Many newhires and recall pilots have been trained only to bid out of PG a few months later. THAT COSTS MONEY!!!!!!

tripleseven · Post by **tripleseven** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:54 am

How long of a sector (in time or distance) until an RP is required on the 767? I don't imagine one is necessary from eastern Canada to Europe, but what about Calgary/Vancouver to Europe? The only route I can see a 340 operating without an RP is a rapidair, or maybe a reposition within Canada before an overseas flight.

tonysoprano · Post by **tonysoprano** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 1:13 pm

anything over 9 hrs flt. requires an rp.

Lost.
The rp position is within the pg and thus is biddable for any newhire. IF the company needs them there, and I suspect they will as most rp's will now become fo's, you bet the company will train them. That is the impact that this bid will have. We are still short on the 320 so look for some possibilities there too.

29chev · Post by **29chev** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 1:45 pm

Tony
I think lost is saying ...if the new hire is all ready trained as an emj f/o he is then frozen from bidding to another PG position by the 5 year PG freeze and will have to bid 320 f/o or higher .
I'm in the PG and I'm frozen from all rp positions until 2011.

Of course if he is still on the 550 course he would be able to bid all positions.

cheers
29chev

tonysoprano · Post by **tonysoprano** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 1:55 pm

My understanding is that anyone who was hired up to the March 27 course is eligible to bid. Any freeze can, at the discretion of the company, be nullefied. All I'm saying is this gives the company the flex to train pilots where they are needed. I understand that pilots are now needed on the Emb, but they will also be needed in other positions once all this new training starts. Just as an example, if all the 767 rp's who are not in the pg decide they want to be fo's (and they probably all can on this bid), that would create a need to train more rp's. I'm not sure that the company will leave holes in some equipments just because guys are "frozen". Then again, it wouldn't be the first time.

Jaques Strappe · Post by **Jaques Strappe** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:57 pm

What I am loving about this bid is that the company wanted the PG and now it is going to cause them a major headache. I only hope that ACPA will capitalize on this and negotiate the end of the PG. Then again, there is always a chance I'll see a pot belly fly by my window too.

balls · Post by **balls** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 3:09 pm

Jaques Strappe wrote:What I am loving about this bid is that the company wanted the PG and now it is going to cause them a major headache. I only hope that ACPA will capitalize on this and negotiate the end of the PG. Then again, there is always a chance I'll see a pot belly fly by my window too.

The problems are management created. Basically, this is a lack of management, or a plethora of mis-management.

Andre Fauteux advised AC management a couple of bids ago that they were heading for trouble due to pilot shortages. Management did not listen.

Last summer was near chaos due to underhiring and shortages. There were lots of excuses to pull out of the hat. ACPA was naturally blamed as they will be this summer. Andre took heat too. He quit and took Rob Giguere up on the offer to work at Skyservice. A loss for AC and big gain for SS.

The problem has many facets, but a major one being AC management.

popo · Post by **popo** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:17 am

thanks sounds like a plan.
Yes, it is unlikely that I can side move in the pay group from EMJ to RP, but i think now is time to do it... I understand it is at the company descretion, and that I will be frozen for a while, but I have not started sim yet, so that means....

it won't be double cost for the company, therefore there may be a possibility of movement, that's all.
I will take a look at the pairings, thanks for the info.