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Does a pilot failing to sign one operational flight plan amongst twelve thousand constitute a reason to shut down an operator? After all they did something wrong!!!!
No. Next question.

Driving Rain, I'd like to say you're a class act. To bad I can't.
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Sorry CID, I can vouch for Driving Rain. He is one of the finest "class acts" I have come across.
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gr8gazu wrote:Sorry CID, I can vouch for Driving Rain. He is one of the finest "class acts" I have come across.
Thanks Gr8.
CID, ever heard of a two way street? Just so we're on the same page. :roll: I thought you'd like it, you being so low brow and all. :smt097
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A Strategy for Moving Forward

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Lots of emotion - which is understandable.

The key issues are these:
1. Young pilots deserve dignity and respect, and so does every other human being in the work place. The nature of the industry is that there is no collective representation and very little protection in law. It is therefore crucial that Transport Canada protect young pilots and ensure they are well trained, well treated, provided with well maintained aircraft and not pressured to fly in unsafe conditions.
2. Transport Canada has not provided adequate protection to these young pilots and a few suggestions for doing this are:
- provide a whistle blower system that can never be traced to the individual
- ensure they are properly paid and work closely with HRSDC to ensure this happens
- enforce a zero tolerance policy against operators who violate air saftey regulations.

The Sonicblue appeal returns on April 18, next Tuesday. I don't think for one minute that the crash at Port Alberni likely has anything to do with Sonicblue in this case. What it has done is shine a very bright light on an industry that is disgusting and must not be allowed to continue. The way to change that is a public enquiry into the small airline industry with public testimony under oath.

The Federal Government has today introduced a public accountability act Amongst other provisions the bill offers a $1,000 reward to bureaucratic whistleblowers. But a campaign promise to protect and compensate members of the public who expose wrongdoing in government was not included in the act.

And the Tories have backed away from a commitment to open up Access to Information laws, passing the matter off to a Commons committee for discussion. We need to keep pressure up on the government.

The April 18 hearings into Sonicblue are simply a first class opportunity to expose the mess in the industry and the opportunity must be used to the max. There are also a number of Access to Information requests pending about TCs role in inspecting Sonicblue. When those documents are received they will be made fully public.

We are going to keep up the pressure - this will not be going away anytime soon!
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Hey Guys,

CID is just trolling again... Don't bite... If we all ignore him, he won't have anyone to argue with and hopefully he'll just go away..
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safetywatch wrote:What it has done is shine a very bright light on an industry that is disgusting and must not be allowed to continue. The way to change that is a public enquiry into the small airline industry with public testimony under oath.
In case you haven't had the chance, here is some interesting reading:

Safety of Air Taxi Operations (SATOPS) Final Report (TP 13158)
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Driving Rain,

Thanks for verifying my claims with your last post. Much appreciated.

twotter,

You need to go to "troll identification school". You're totally missing the trolls in this thread. You can start with yourself.

Now how about we let this thread stay on track and move the insults and the grandstanding to the PMs?
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Polarising every issue into a case of spotless good and darkest evil does not represent reality. Most of the points raised are in relation to organisations, not individuals an organisation, governmental or industry can have both sides of the spectrum represented within its personell. That does not seem to be reflected in a lot of the attitudes expressed here. Life (and the small aircraft industry) is not for the most part full of superheroes and evil villians. A lack of effective oversight is not only charachteristic of aviation but of many areas like policing the legal proffesion etc...
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Theres a difference

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The difference here is people die!

“However, the number of accidents occurring in Air Taxi operations continues to be of great concern to Transport Canada. The latest figures show that Air Taxi accidents have decreased from the previous five year average of 107.2 to 90 in 1996. Nevertheless, the 1996 figure represents 62% of the total number of accidents in all commercial operations. The number of Air Taxi fatal accidents and fatalities has decreased from 23 fatal accidents and 53 fatalities in 1995 to 20 fatal accidents and 34 fatalities in 1996.

This represents 95% of the total number of fatal accidents and fatalities in all commercial operations, an increase from 1995 when the percentage was 94%. Compare this to the United States where there were 88 Air Taxi accidents in 1996, 28 of them fatal with 61 fatalities. Clearly, this comparison is not favourable, given that the U.S. Air Taxi industry is at least five times larger than Canada’s.”

NOTHING HAS CHANGED SINCE 1997 - ITS WORSE IF ANYTHING!
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safetywatch wrote: 2. Transport Canada has not provided adequate protection to these young pilots and a few suggestions for doing this are:
- provide a whistle blower system that can never be traced to the individual
- ensure they are properly paid and work closely with HRSDC to ensure this happens
- enforce a zero tolerance policy against operators who violate air saftey regulations.
Sounds about right.
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Dog wrote:
safetywatch wrote: 2. Transport Canada has not provided adequate protection to these young pilots and a few suggestions for doing this are:
- provide a whistle blower system that can never be traced to the individual
- ensure they are properly paid and work closely with HRSDC to ensure this happens
- enforce a zero tolerance policy against operators who violate air saftey regulations.
Sounds about right.
The anonymous whistle blower system will be used by the corrupt operators to get Transport Canada to go after the competition because everyone makes mistakes.
The Hells Angels have used the anonymous Crime Stoppers system to get the police to run any dope selling competition from their turf. The police through their own system have added and abetted organized crime, all be it unwittingly.
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Ok DR,
It's fine to shoot down someones idea when you've got a better on. Let's hear it.
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Dog wrote:Ok DR,
It's fine to shoot down someones idea when you've got a better on. Let's hear it.
Take it easy Dog. The only idea I shot down was for a snitch line (whistle blower).
An unregulated system like what you have suggested could be open to abuse. I gave an example that is quite relevant I think.

Your other ideas about pay and enforcement are good and long overdue IMHO. :D
Anyone with an ax to grind or other less than honest motives could take advatage of an anonymous system and cause real and lasting harm to good people. Hell, with a corupt director he/she/it would have carte blanc to cause havoc and remain anomymous. I'm old school, I believe one should get to defend ones self in front of the accuser.
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There is a very refined version of a whistle blower system used in SMS that is not completely anonomous. One person maintains accounabillity to avoid just the problems you mentioned.
I feel that it is a nessasary component to change the way things are.

Didn't mean to sound snappy... to much coffee I guess.
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provide a whistle blower system that can never be traced to the individual

First this was said and I could never agree to that. In fact, if the regulator were to adopt this, I'd quit. PERIOD.

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There is a very refined version of a whistle blower system used in SMS that is not completely anonomous. One person maintains accounabillity to avoid just the problems you mentioned.

We have more or less this system where I work, but be forewarned, you'd better have all your T's crossed and I's dotted. I've seen it in action and have no doubt it works. I have no illusions about anonymity however. I work in an operation that provides union protection against management backlash. If one were to use this system and not be perfectly clear and correct it could be bad. Furthermore, without union or other protection it wouldn't come close to being successful.
Now if you had a photo of the boss in the back room surrounded by naked young boys you might have something. :roll:
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All I want is to get on national TV
The letter I have signed by him should make for rivitting TV
unless they are subponened by a court
protected from such crimminal behaviour as biker gangs

I hope you got somebody who can actually spell to proofread that letter, or you may look the fool on national TV.

/sounds like a personal problem.
//Your stories simply don't add up. Methinks there are parts that you are leaving out of your internet rants.
///obviously trolling, nothing to see here!!
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You are obviously new here polythene_pam by the comments you made.

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" I hope you got somebody who can actually spell to proofread that letter, or you may look the fool on national TV.

/sounds like a personal problem.
//Your stories simply don't add up. Methinks there are parts that you are leaving out of your internet rants.
///obviously trolling, nothing to see here!! "


The letter I am referring to was written by Merlin Preuss and signed by him, so if it needs proof reading that is his problem.

My spelling errors are because I was running out of time to catch a flight to Europe when I made my last post, however I am sure you were able to understand the misspelled words.

My comments are not rants, they are based on factual events that show a lack of morals and missmanagement of TCCA under the present DGCA and several of his high level people in the Pacific Region TCCA, such as the RDCA and the former Regional Director M&M.

You are correct they are personal problems that several top level TCCA management have and must be addressed by the new Minister of Transport, that is why I would like the opportunity of being interviewed on national TV to bring this to the attention of the new Minister of Transoprt and hopefully force a full scale investigation into the moral cesspool that is TCCA top management.

You say...... ///obviously trolling, nothing to see here!!

Hey pam, no problem because by trollling you are keeping these issues active so more people can read about them.

Thanks for your help.

Anyone who wishes to contest my allegations here can find me quite easily.

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My comments are not rants, they are based on factual events that show a lack of morals and missmanagement of TCCA under the present DGCA and several of his high level people in the Pacific Region TCCA, such as the RDCA and the former Regional Director M&M.
OK. So what are the "factual events"?? Does anyone know?
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CID wrote:
My comments are not rants, they are based on factual events that show a lack of morals and missmanagement of TCCA under the present DGCA and several of his high level people in the Pacific Region TCCA, such as the RDCA and the former Regional Director M&M.
OK. So what are the "factual events"?? Does anyone know?
Stirring the pot CID.........!

I owned a construction company years ago and I had litigation against a supplier. While everyone in the local industry knew of the case, I didn't openly discuss details in public until it had been resolved.

Lets assume Cat has what he feels is a legitimate complaint and is seeking a forum (not Avcanada) to have it reviewed. I am sure we will read about it if and when he gets his "day in court"!
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Safetywatch,

Be prepared to pay more for your air travel. Embrace the idea and get the F_ck used to it.

Everyone of us has the power to fix this so stop bitching and do something.

End rant.
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Stirring the pot CID.........!

I owned a construction company years ago and I had litigation against a supplier. While everyone in the local industry knew of the case, I didn't openly discuss details in public until it had been resolved.
Who's stirring the pot? Cat has been ranting about this huge fundamental abuse of power but has never really told us what the big deal was. If he isn't at liberty to blow the lid off the whole thing by telling us what it's all about, then it's HIM that is stirring the pot.

It's time to poop or get off the pot. If he can't talk about it, then he should stop all the rhetoric that is inciting all this anger against TC.
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Gosh, off the top of my head:

1) It would be really nice if Transport would stop phoning airshow operators and threatening them that (if they're in Canada) that they won't get their airshow SFOC if they hire us. Transport even phones down to Alabama and Mississippi, and lies to the airshow operators down there, telling them about what "dangerous pilots" we are, despite the fact that we have a perfect safety record, something that Transport certainly can't claim. I still can't put our airshow schedule on our website because of the donkeys at Transport pulling this crap.

2) Transport had me "red-flagged" with Canada Customs. The poor Customs agents were really apologetic, but they had to search my wallet, etc. They were just as confused as I was, because I've never had a problem with Customs. That took me YEARS to clear up.

3) I got a Federal Court Order "enjoining" the Minister of Transport against these shenanigans, which Transport simply ignored.

4) Transport is not satisfied with taking pot-shots at me, they have taken a run at my family, which is truly despicable.

It goes on, and on, and on. Frankly, I'm really tired with all the dirty tricks that Transport pulls on me, I can only imagine how bored everybody else is with it.
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Transport is not satisfied with taking pot-shots at me, they have taken a run at my family, which is truly despicable.
Really? Can you elaborate?

I appreciate your willingness to share your experiences Hedley, but your statements don't have enough information to really determine if TC is the bad guy.
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CID wrote:
Transport is not satisfied with taking pot-shots at me, they have taken a run at my family, which is truly despicable.
Really? Can you elaborate?

I appreciate your willingness to share your experiences Hedley, but your statements don't have enough information to really determine if TC is the bad guy.
If there is in fact some truth to this, something should be done about it.

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