TWA probably looking for a new King Air 100 and Captain soon

Riverat · Post by **Riverat** » Sat Apr 15, 2006 6:35 am

Pronto has operated for several months, and TWA is doing fine. Now making more money on sched than before.

That is not what I heard. Rumour is Transwest's loads are light, and Pronto is flying full.

Even if Pronto is operating at a loss for a year or so, if they satisfy enough customers and TWA pisses off enough. Then in following years customer won't mind paying a tad extra to fly Pronto, so pronto can recover their loses.

Also fresh off the rumour mill: Pronto is getting another 1900.

It will be interesting to see how the cards fall.

jackrabbit · Post by **jackrabbit** » Sat Apr 15, 2006 7:09 am

sounds like norcanair

H · Post by H » Sat Apr 15, 2006 9:49 am

....you should listen more closely then.

BlueSkies12 · Post by **BlueSkies12** » Sat Apr 15, 2006 10:45 am

I just figured this was a given, but what it seems most of you fortune tellers don't understand is this is Saskatchewan. Most of the customers dont pay for there own plane tickets, so price isn't an issue. On top of that, most bigger companies don't run scheds to make money anyway, it's just for transport of employees and parts. But this is getting tiring, whatever happens happens, but don't believe everything you hear.

wait...what did he say? · Sat Apr 15, 2006 12:32 pm

team p has better looking crews anyway - so they will be graunteed a job based on their ridicoulously-good looks and unpresidented awesomeness...

take that

grover · Post by **grover** » Sat Apr 15, 2006 3:22 pm

twa must still be doing something right if pronto is only flying half of their skeds into some of the north...twa still has full flights even when pronto does come in...

SK_pile_it · Post by **SK_pile_it** » Sat Apr 15, 2006 8:46 pm

Chances are that is just a temporary thing. I highly doubt Pronto is going to continue forever flying as little as they have. Just slowly building up. Fill the flights you have then expand, fill those flights, then expand more, then you lose as little as possible. As I stated way before, the falling of TWA won't be right away. Of course it will take time, but Pronto should be able to do it quicker then Norcanair lasted, or at least make more progress in that amount of time. With Westwind as the backbone, their foundation is so much more solid then Norcanair with Northern Dene as its support system.

flameboy_99 · Post by **flameboy_99** » Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:32 pm

if pronto is going to drive twa into the ground then im wondering why one of prontos planes was sitting in zwl for 2 weeks and never moved meanwhile everyother pronto plane than came in there left with only one or two pax. twa on the other hand typically leaves there with a good load. anyone who says twa's loads are light should check again. the other day twa had to run 2 saabs on the afternoon northern run in order to take everyone. pronto will be finished its just a matter of time. while on the topic westwinds accident history isnt that clean either. the other day on of westwinds atr's over ran the runway in zwl.

nedflanders · Post by **nedflanders** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 7:39 am

flameboy_99 wrote:if pronto is going to drive twa into the ground then im wondering why one of prontos planes was sitting in zwl for 2 weeks and never moved meanwhile everyother pronto plane than came in there left with only one or two pax. twa on the other hand typically leaves there with a good load. anyone who says twa's loads are light should check again. the other day twa had to run 2 saabs on the afternoon northern run in order to take everyone. pronto will be finished its just a matter of time. while on the topic westwinds accident history isnt that clean either. the other day on of westwinds atr's over ran the runway in zwl.

I heard they were stuck for 4 hours. Anyone know a good tow truck?

YWG gearcleaner · Post by **YWG gearcleaner** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 8:02 am

ohhh.ohhhh... guess what i heard guys!!!

you all sound like children trying to pry every last crack open to shed some light. Only in Sask have I noticed that companies bitch and whine all the time. TWA this, TWA that, aircraft on fire....... jesus, what has come of you guys? TWA even bitches at each other.... forget pilot meetings, lets hop online and put it all on the table, workmates.

Pinto, or whoever the f*** is flying light, who cares? TWA has an engine fire, lets learn from it, pilots cant prevent the fire, but we all can learn on how do deal with those events better.x

Look one province to your left, then to your right sask pilots. You never hear this childish rumor crap in these two very successful and very aviation-saturated environments.

Level@3000 · Post by **Level@3000** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 8:30 am

Since when do Westwinds ATRs go into wallyworld? Check your facts. TWs safety record vs Westwinds not even close. The big TW must average an incident a week. Aircraft don't compare either. With the exception of a small handful of planes, the clapped out fleet of TWs aircraft are an accident looking for a place to happen. Even some of their pilots are embarassed to be flying such junk. I don't think the same can be said about WW

wait...what did he say? · Sun Apr 16, 2006 9:26 am

edited

grover · Post by **grover** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 1:59 pm

it was ynl not zwl where the atr got stuck..a.nd when you say overran...that's a technical thing...the part that they go tstuck in was the part they normally use - just happened to be notamed closed - something to do with gravel turning soft, kinda mud like...

Biggysmalls · Post by **Biggysmalls** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:05 am

that's a technical thing...the part that they go tstuck in was the part they normally use - just happened to be notamed closed".

let me get this....your excuse is they didnt check notams...sorry my friend they still shit the bed

BlueSkies12 · Post by **BlueSkies12** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:44 am

Wow, Biggysmalls. Thank you for sharing your point of view. For your first post that was very inciteful. Again, cheers.

Riverat · Post by **Riverat** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 1:39 pm

Only in Sask have I noticed that companies bitch and whine all the time. TWA this, TWA that, aircraft on fire....... jesus, what has come of you guys? TWA even bitches at each other.... forget pilot meetings, lets hop online and put it all on the table, workmates.

Pinto, or whoever the f*** is flying light, who cares? TWA has an engine fire, lets learn from it, pilots cant prevent the fire, but we all can learn on how do deal with those events better.x

There are only two major operaters in sk. Obviously people are going to speculate and gossip. This isn't alberta or bc where you have a whole lot of regional/charter companies. The real question is demand. Is saskatchewan's economy growing enough to warrant two regional airlines?

And for TWA having an engine fire, get your facts straight. It was a compressor surge that shot exhaust out the intake. Some birds had flown in front of plane on take off and the pilot quickly yanked the levers back and then shoved them forward, causing the severe stall. Pilot error straight up. The maintenance kids in yxe get angry when things are wrongfully blamed on them.

Lets not get into TWA maintenance though, lets tear a part the managing partners. The engineers are top notch, and the airplanes are safe, they just look like shit. It is purely a financial aspect. The tag team doesn't want two invest money in there airplanes or in their maintenance facilities. Westwind has a way better equiped hanger. They also only have one hanger to set up not four like twa. Maybe rightfully so not to invest in the jetstreams. It probably isn't feasible. They should be sold off. But to neglect the saabs is down right stupid.