For all you Jeep people out there

wha happen · Post by **wha happen** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:31 pm

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/2A80 ... B6F2D2.htm

N2 · Post by N2 » Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:58 am

Ha ha ha ...looks good on any fool that would buy such a useless vehicle!

Rowdy · Post by **Rowdy** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 12:24 pm

I love my Jeep! It'll go places stock that an H2 would never survive even with a bunch of susp. work!

I've heard they have WEAK tie rods and like to lunch transmissions too. Anyone here own one of those overgrown trashcans?

Aren't the H2's just a chev 1500 chassis with a different body on it?

. ._ · Post by **. ._** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 12:59 pm

Rowdy wrote:Aren't the H2's just a chev 1500 chassis with a different body on it?

I heard something to that effect...

-istp

Rowdy · Post by **Rowdy** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:15 pm

Poked around underneath today out of my curiousity at the local GM dealer.. They run the same basic chassis and suspension as well as major commonality of all drivetrain related bits. So basically you're buying a crappy knock off body on a basic 15yr old truck chassis for double the price.

It's too bad the jeep liberty and commander also now suck. At least the TJ's are still going strong.

Walker · Post by **Walker** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:37 pm

I think I resent the pic of that broken 60 series Cruiser in there…. That EXACT model of Toyota is the Guinness record holder for longest running wheeled vehicle… http://www.weltrekordreise.ch/a_starte.html

Also the only wheeled vehicle to cross the Antarctic, a pair of 100 series cruisers. Landcrusiers are still # 1 in my book for bang for the buck stock unbreakable vehicles… Too bad the industrial versions have been more or less banned from being sold in north America… If you want a new one you have to buy it in the middle east and stick in on a boat.

don’t get me wrong Id say the older jeeps are very good as well as far as a stock 4x4 goes. A few years ago I was out wheeling with a few friends, some roid monkey came along in an H2, tried to follow us (A TJ, a BJ40, my BJ60, and a unimog) across a stream… Ha, he got 1/2 way in, and his computer got wet

damn that was funny to watch…. When we pulled him out the car was possessed, randomly locking up the ABS, funny noises, funny lights going on and off…. Plastic and electronics, have no place off road. Ill see If I can find the picture!

Big Pratt · Post by **Big Pratt** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 7:22 pm

What's an H3 based on? One of those GM generic SUV platforms?

wha happen · Post by **wha happen** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 11:35 am

The '07 TJ's suck!

Rowdy · Post by **Rowdy** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 11:51 am

How do ya figure?

What have they changed to make em suck? Just the new powertrain right?

wha happen · Post by **wha happen** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:16 pm

They changed the doors slightly
Changed the hard top, its modular now
changed the fender flares
power windows optional
changed the off road lights, molded into the new front bumper along with a redesigned rear bumper

Its just looking to "streetable" for me now. Its looking like a grocery hauler.

well here, take a look for yourself...

I especially like the fake plastic diamond plate on the inside of the doors.

Dust Devil · Post by **Dust Devil** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 3:30 pm

I had a 97 TJ. back in 96. I loved it. I'd like to get another one and I'm thinkin I likely will now after watching that video

Rowdy · Post by **Rowdy** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 9:42 pm

I had a 99' cherokee and loved the thing. If only gas wasn't so damn pricey these days.

I might pick up a late 90's 4cyl TJ come fall.

gryphon · Post by **gryphon** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 2:58 pm

That was f-in funny.
I have an 02 TJ (stock) and wouldn't give it up for anything. Gas prices suck, tis true, but the motorbike helps offset the $ very slightly.
Can't say I'm a huge fan of the extended TJ though (whatever it's called).

It's a Jeep thing.

wha happen · Post by **wha happen** » Sat Apr 22, 2006 5:00 pm

the long jeep is called the "unlimited". Im not a fan myself, but to each their own.

Dust Devil · Post by **Dust Devil** » Sat Apr 22, 2006 8:22 pm

Rowdy wrote:I had a 99' cherokee and loved the thing. If only gas wasn't so damn pricey these days.

I might pick up a late 90's 4cyl TJ come fall.

I'd recommend the 6 cyl. mine was a 4 and it was more than enough for rock crawling in bull low. but it blew ass on the highway

Rowdy · Post by **Rowdy** » Sat Apr 22, 2006 10:59 pm

It wouldn't see much highway use.. just back and forth around town and the occasional outing or camping trip.

I've driven both and know what you mean. The 6 takes the cake all around.. but just eats up too much $$$ in fuel.

still_bluenoser · Post by **still_bluenoser** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 2:05 am

whoever decided to get rid of the inline 6 for the v-six should be hunted down and brutalized, atleast there are companies selling new 4 liters , and also stroked versions (running all the way to 5 liter). Again, Shot!! Whipped!!

wha happen · Post by **wha happen** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 10:49 am

The 6 cyl isnt all that bad on gas. I get about 400 - 450 kms per 60 litre tank. so if i do some quick math... i get between 16-20 mpg's.

well ok that isnt great but its worth it come summer time. I recommend the rubicon, it is a capable machine right out of the box

altiplano · Post by **altiplano** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 10:53 am

And a TOYOTA will pass them all...

Hummers may suck but Jeeps aren't far down the line. They're surviving on a reputation built long ago when there wasn't much on the american market to compare to.

Toyota trucks rule the trails. I'll take any Toyota truck over any Jeep any day. Taco/Cruiser/Hilux/Tacoma - whatever - it will surpass a Jeep or any other 4wd in reliability, performance and capability...

BTW I think one of the biggest problems with Hummers (esp the H2/H3) is the people who drive them... Morons without a clue.

Rowdy · Post by **Rowdy** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 12:12 pm

Yotas eh? Don't know 'nuff bout the newer ones...

Sure they're decent off road. The older ones came standard with rust and optional was heavy rust. Not so sure about the current powerplants or how long the bodies will last, But the earlier 4's are quite underpowered and the 6's not much better.

Give me the big Iron lump that is a 4.0L series AMC motor. There are a bunch of 4.6 and 5.1L stroked versions running around locally that would knock your socks clean off. Have a good friend (just up the road from me) with a twin screw supercharger on the 2.5L 4cyl and I have to tell ya.. Thats probably the way I'd go.

Wha Happen - I had a 99 4.0L in the Aerodynamic Brick of a cherokee with an Auto. Even with all synthetics (diff, T case, trans etc) a K&N free'r flowing exhaust and a throttle body spacer.. The best it would ever manage on the freeway was 22mpg and between 17-19 in town. Not bad.. but not great.

Northern Skies · Post by **Northern Skies** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 4:36 pm

I'm definitely a toyota man.... this summer I'm stuck with a ford car, but this winter (or..sigh...eventually) I hope I can be the proud owner of a '90-'95 4runner or pickup. Then I can (sigh...eventually due to pilot wages)do all of this to it: (and more)

31 (or33 with 1" body lift) x10.5" BFG all-terrain T/A's, new HD springs rear (3" lift), new HD torsion bars front (cranked up 3"), new shocks (doetsch/bilstein), LSPV bracket, Detroit lockers, extended diff breathers, and long-travel ball joints. Perhaps some homemade rock armor/bumpers too.

it'll kick any hummer's ass.

wha happen · Post by **wha happen** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 10:30 pm

Taco/Cruiser/Hilux/Tacoma - whatever - it will surpass a Jeep or any other 4wd in reliability, performance and capability...

there is no way that a tacoma is more capable than the rubicon fresh out of the box.