ATPL Vs adegree

GPS · Post by **GPS** » Sat May 06, 2006 9:36 pm

I thought after privrte licence , then commercial licence ,then your multi IFR ,then your ATPL should be considered a degree. what you think?

UNS1C · Post by **UNS1C** » Sun May 07, 2006 11:24 am

A degree will never hurt you, I wish I had one. However I was hired by AC without one so it is not the end of the world if you don't have one

flyindude · Post by **flyindude** » Sun May 07, 2006 11:41 am

When were you hired without a degree?

dangerous · Post by **dangerous** » Sun May 07, 2006 7:04 pm

Doesn't "Degree" start with a D? As in the old saying D for Degree.

GPS · Post by **GPS** » Sun May 07, 2006 8:29 pm

It sound to me ,it's alot of knowlade it shoud be a dgree .you spend alot of y time, and alot of money and some swit too.

Four1oh · Post by **Four1oh** » Sun May 07, 2006 8:35 pm

get a trade.

Traf · Post by **Traf** » Mon May 08, 2006 5:49 am

GPS, you are grasping at straws. The ATPL can be studied for in a weekend with an Aero course. The fact that it takes years and money to build up the time to get there do not make it the same as a degree.

The requirement has been in place for a long time and AC will only change it when they are deseperate for pilots. Your only choice at this point in time is go get er done or go to Jazz and get into the system.

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Mon May 08, 2006 11:03 am

Traf wrote:GPS, you are grasping at straws. The ATPL can be studied for in a weekend with an Aero course. The fact that it takes years and money to build up the time to get there do not make it the same as a degree.

You could do a degree in a week(exageration).. The fact that schools have you go to class for 1 hour once a week for 4 months(semester) doesn't make it any more "difficult" or "intense."

And that's why I get all bent out of shape when people are like "oh I have a 4 year degree...." ROFL, if you spread out your time you can have a "10 year degree," if you really wanted to.

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Mon May 08, 2006 11:04 am

Four1oh wrote:get a trade.

Exactly, you spend over 5 years in some trades getting your papers, and their still not considered "degree."

Time and money doesn't mean the ATPL should be considered a degree but like I said, a trade or an ATPL doesn't mean you're any dumber then the guy with his BA in basketweaving/music.

Four1oh · Post by **Four1oh** » Mon May 08, 2006 1:41 pm

do you really care how smart someone thinks you are, or do you want to make a pile of money? What better way to supplement a low paying aviation career than with a high paying trade on your days off? Take your pick, these days, you could do anything and be in high demand, and it'll only get worse as the boomers retire. I wish I had done something like that before I had gone after my aviation career. Plus I'd have something to fall back on if it had fallen through.

hercdriver · Post by **hercdriver** » Mon May 08, 2006 4:15 pm

Traf;

You mentioned,"The requirement has been in place for a long time and AC will only change it when they are deseperate for pilots." Are you talking about a degree? If you go to their web site you will notice AC does not require a degree.
Where are you getting your info?

Localizer · Post by **Localizer** » Mon May 08, 2006 6:16 pm

If you want a degree so bad hop on the old internet and look up some of the U's in the states. For a said sum of money and a quick review of your life experiences they'll say "you qualify!" and "BAM!" two weeks later you check the mail and "woohoo!" a degree from "So-And-So U".

Degrees are BS .. everyone knows it .. its just something to weed out the potentials .. unfair way .. but a way none the less.

Flying should be based on just that .. Flying experience.

Oh .. and for those to dispute this - they are those to did get a degree and need it to make themselves believe they are more intelligent than the rest of us low lifes.

Loc

centerstored · Post by **centerstored** » Mon May 08, 2006 8:25 pm

Give it up guys! A degree shows dedication, hard work and some amount of intelligence. It's not only the knowledge you gain from finishing a degree, it shows that you are trainable. Look at any other profession. Lawyers, doctors, vets...they all require degrees in anything. For all you whiners, go and try to finish one and report back!

GPS · Post by **GPS** » Mon May 08, 2006 10:20 pm

my point is. this is adegree,you went to school for it, you spend time reading doing exam ect .whay is ATPL in not a degree.AND IF ITS NOT IMPORTANT WHY the air line asking for it.If you are a doctor they don't ask you for a law degree what is the difference.

tripleseven · Post by **tripleseven** » Tue May 09, 2006 6:05 am

Because a doctor has a medicine degree.

gr8gazu · Post by **gr8gazu** » Tue May 09, 2006 6:07 am

Yes, but if you are a doctor, you did not get get your certification from a primer manual or a weekend seminar.

Refer back to the response from "centerstored"

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Tue May 09, 2006 9:11 am

centerstored wrote:Give it up guys! A degree shows dedication, hard work and some amount of intelligence. It's not only the knowledge you gain from finishing a degree, it shows that you are trainable. Look at any other profession. Lawyers, doctors, vets...they all require degrees in anything. For all you whiners, go and try to finish one and report back!

He also followed in his father's footsteps and was accepted to Yale University, where he received a Bachelor of Arts degree in History in 1968

Aren't you one of the clowns that mocks BUSH@!?

tripleseven · Post by **tripleseven** » Tue May 09, 2006 10:14 am

GPS wrote:my point is. this is adegree,you went to school for it, you spend time reading doing exam ect .whay is ATPL in not a degree.AND IF ITS NOT IMPORTANT WHY the air line asking for it.If you are a doctor they don't ask you for a law degree what is the difference.

You don't need to go to school for an ATPL and you only need to write about 7 exams. (radio, student permit, private, commercial, inrat, samra, saron).

For my degree, I went to school for five years, and wrote about ninety exams. That doesn't include assignments, labs, reports, etc. My point is that you put in alot of time, sweat, blood to finish a degree. Getting a pilot licence is pretty much about how well you are financed and being able to read, write and understand the English language.

abc xyz · Post by **abc xyz** » Tue May 09, 2006 11:12 am

well said tripleseven. i spent 4 years working on my degree and think im much better for it. even so called basket weaving courses are 10 times more difficult than getting your atpl. anybody can memorize formulas and definitions over a short period of time. degrees demand complete focus for 3 years plus. its no so much the difficulty of the material that university should be judged by but the time and effort required to achieve the end goal. professors do not care if you miss lecture, skip an exam or fail to hand in a term paper. its completely up to you whether you succeed or fail.

petey · Post by **petey** » Tue May 09, 2006 12:24 pm

professors do not care if you miss lecture, skip an exam or fail to hand in a term paper. its completely up to you whether you succeed or fail.

I used to instruct and the same rule applied. I could care less when you were prepared for the PSTAR, I would cancel your bookings, and fill it with someone who was willing to learn. I've done both post-secondary (BSc) and my CPL/MIFR/Instructor, and can honestly say that in aviation you must be more driven, and disciplined. Can't tell you how many times I went from the university bar, straight to class. Post secondary is a cake walk... it was the best time of my life.

You don't need to go to school for an ATPL and you only need to write about 7 exams.

Really, that's it ... @#$!. My asshole boss keeps telling me I have to work for him, living in poverty for a couple years, while I gain the experience necessary to achieve that goal.

Give it up guys! A degree shows dedication, hard work and some amount of intelligence

Yeah, a Masters degree, or PhD.

I have a degree, and I'm still a crazy fuckin' jackass.

Bede · Post by **Bede** » Tue May 09, 2006 12:25 pm

I think this topic has been beaten to death on previous threads. Let's let it go.

tripleseven · Post by **tripleseven** » Tue May 09, 2006 1:17 pm

petey wrote:
I used to instruct and the same rule applied. I could care less when you were prepared for the PSTAR, I would cancel your bookings, and fill it with someone who was willing to learn. I've done both post-secondary (BSc) and my CPL/MIFR/Instructor, and can honestly say that in aviation you must be more driven, and disciplined. Can't tell you how many times I went from the university bar, straight to class. Post secondary is a cake walk... it was the best time of my life.

Some post secondary may be a cake walk. However, I flunked out of engineering while having "the time of my life". (I went back and got my iron ring after completing aviation college). I'm sorry, but if you start skipping classes in most university curriculums you'll get a nasty letter from the Dean.

I still think university is much more challenging.

PS - I know of guys and girls whose first jobs out of engineering (in an engineering field) make the life of a charter pilot in a 703 operation look like a cake walk.

bcflyer · Post by **bcflyer** » Tue May 09, 2006 2:13 pm

I don't think anyone has really answered the million dollar question. Does having a degree really make you a better pilot? I would have to say no. I've flown with guys that have nothing more than a grade 8 education that could fly circles around guys with 4 yr degree's. I have trouble figuring out why I would want to spend 4 yrs of my life and 40-50 thousand dollars to get a degree in something that will have absolutely NOTHING to do with my career. Just to have something to hang on my wall??

tripleseven · Post by **tripleseven** » Tue May 09, 2006 3:42 pm

and put on your resume.

gr8gazu · Post by **gr8gazu** » Tue May 09, 2006 3:51 pm

bcflyer wrote:
I have trouble figuring out why I would want to spend 4 yrs of my life and 40-50 thousand dollars to get a degree in something that will have absolutely NOTHING to do with my career. Just to have something to hang on my wall?

As I have stated in another forum, you are looking at the education incorrectly. While AC prefers it on your resume, the education is for you. It benefits you. There is nothing guarnteed in life such as health or continued employment so it is best to have a "plan B".

AC only wants it to prove dedication and show an ability to learn. They may never use your education.

I did it, hated it at the time, but am sure glad I did as it came in handy for many other aspects of my life. There is nothing wrong with a little knowledge