Next Mainline Course

popo · Post by **popo** » Tue May 02, 2006 6:06 am

Bohica,
93%, that includes diploma. and degrees...but this is based on one class so it could not mean much...
but for instance, guy going to AC from my previous company all had diploma or degrees, most had university again, but may be a couple had nothing but daddy pulling... just a guess but I cannot be too far ?

I mean not that is matters to me, I am just trying to answer some of the guys question based on my exposure...
I know I had to use fingers and toes but we were more than 10 in my class...

for the new bid, it does not really matter to me, anything is good I am happy to be here.And with the orders over the next few year, I am sure I will have my shot at something else. i would obviously prefer to have a block in a few month, so this is really what I am looking at.
Lots of spots on the 320 I hear...

backon3 · Post by **backon3** » Tue May 02, 2006 8:28 am

Hello? ...Landing Strip?... Table for 16 please!

hind sight · Post by **hind sight** » Tue May 02, 2006 9:01 am

Wish I could afford 8 bucks for a rum.

popo · Post by **popo** » Tue May 02, 2006 9:53 am

hahahah

I thougth it was an anonymous,
better put my shades on,

LuckyPilot · Post by **LuckyPilot** » Wed May 03, 2006 12:30 pm

If I may make a suggestion to anyone considering bidding the left seat who is still inside probation, DON"T DO IT!! You will not have "train to standard" to protect you, they will put you through a meat grinder, and particularly if you don't have any track record with the company. Don't believe me just ask some of the DEC on the RJ in the mid 90's. Several didn't make it and were shown the door.

One was a friend of mine, he had a bad day and things started to snowball. These guys can be ruthless and imo have to be when dealing with a unknown commodity. Previous work history means nothing except to get you the job, after that you have to prove yourself all over again.

Jeremy Kent · Post by **Jeremy Kent** » Thu May 04, 2006 9:05 am

You guys are all saying that senior, off-probation types don't want EMJ captain and newhires shouldn't risk taking it... so my question would be: who's going to sit in the seat??

29chev · Post by **29chev** » Thu May 04, 2006 12:47 pm

Me

returning from furlough types

MisterNo · Post by **MisterNo** » Thu May 04, 2006 2:07 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong but some of the guys coming back from furlough would still be on probation

29chev · Post by **29chev** » Thu May 04, 2006 10:25 pm

MisterNo
Ahhh possibly...it would depend on how long the last group took to get trained but it would only be someone in the last 2 classes before furlough that would have been the 2 classes that ran summer of 2002 ...but most should have been off probation before they came back or would be by now.
29chev

Martin Tamme · Post by **Martin Tamme** » Fri May 05, 2006 9:50 pm

Jeremy Kent wrote:You guys are all saying that senior, off-probation types don't want EMJ captain and newhires shouldn't risk taking it... so my question would be: who's going to sit in the seat??

Jeremy:

In the business world, this is commonly referred to as 'Market Demand v. Market Supply'.

It's no secret that the wages of the EMJ are discounted by as much as 35%. The EMJ 190 is 4,000 lbs heavier than the DC9, with a much greater range. Its engines produce over 25% more thrust than the DC9 (believe the DC9 was 14,000lbs versus 18,000lbs for the EMJ).

The demand to fly the EMJ is not enough, considering F/Os on the widebodies make as much or more, but with a much better lifestyle. The Company would have to increase the attractiveness of the EMJ for pilots to bid it. The stick doesn't work anymore -only carrots. Maybe the Company is finally waking up.

P.S. Nice to see you using your real name. However, everybody had already figured out who you were with your previous handle. Are you going to go for the another record of posts again, but using your real name this time?

We are starting the ACPA forum up again. If you want to volunteer as a moderator, please e-mail me at mtamme@acpa.ca. Although you can't officially volunteer until you are an ACPA member, I will keep your name in abeyance.

Jeremy Kent · Post by **Jeremy Kent** » Sat May 06, 2006 6:37 am

Martin Tamme wrote:However, everybody had already figured out who you were with your previous handle.

Well I wouldn't be surprised, as I signed my name to a couple of my "gelbisch" posts!

I can understand why the EMJ left seat is not attractive to many folks who are comfortable where they are... I'm just curious what's going to happen if they don't want it and no one at the bottom takes it. Someone's already asked this in another thread, but is this recent bid going to stay closed?? I'd think that if they're going to change the rules, many people are going to want to change their bid... and the company will want them to as well. Wasn't that the point of the talks?

tonysoprano · Post by **tonysoprano** » Sat May 06, 2006 7:07 am

Seems we have been through this before on the CRJ. As a result, captains on the RJ were "frozen" for a long time. Some did eight years, average was seven. Be careful what you bid. If the company was smart, they would up the salary on the EMJ left seat, but I think it would have to pay about $150k a yr. to be a little more attractive. Somehow I don't think the company will do that. Fun times ahead boys and girls.

rudder · Post by **rudder** » Sat May 06, 2006 9:43 am

Martin Tamme wrote:
It's no secret that the wages of the EMJ are discounted by as much as 35%.

Really? Take a look at the EMJ rates at other North American carriers and find even one that is within 35% of the current AC rates. The DAL TA has a 12 year EMB190 Capt at US$95.70 and a 12 year EMB190 Capt at USAir is US$95. Let's not forget JetBlue at US$89/hr top scale.

Top A320 pay:

NWA US$137
UAL US$131
USAir US$125

I am not happy with the precipitous pay declines in the airline piloting profession. However, to suggest that AC pilots are underpaid in comparison to the industry is ridiculous.

abc xyz · Post by **abc xyz** » Sat May 06, 2006 10:01 am

http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/airl ... 030344.htm

it has all the current rates.

Martin Tamme · Post by **Martin Tamme** » Sat May 06, 2006 11:22 pm

Jeremy Kent wrote:Well I wouldn't be surprised, as I signed my name to a couple of my "gelbisch" posts!

Yes, I know, as did most probably some of the people who interviewed you.

I can tell you with 100% certainty that members of the Air Canada hiring board were monitoring this forum last summer (they talked to me about it). You revealed yourself, and got the call -it's called advertising.

There is one thing they like, and that is ambition.

P.S. I don't think that they are monitoring as of today, since it's a different hiring team.

Jeremy Kent · Post by **Jeremy Kent** » Sun May 07, 2006 6:02 am

Well I'm glad I didn't say anything too stupid! (At least I don't think I did!)

abc xyz · Post by **abc xyz** » Sun May 07, 2006 12:24 pm

Jeremy I personally think it was the Bill Murray avatar that sealed the deal.

rudder · Post by **rudder** » Mon May 08, 2006 5:54 am

Martin Tamme wrote:
I can tell you with 100% certainty that members of the Air Canada hiring board were monitoring this forum last summer (they talked to me about it). You revealed yourself, and got the call -it's called advertising.

There is one thing they like, and that is ambition.

Pathetic.

centerstored · Post by **centerstored** » Mon May 08, 2006 8:29 pm

Are you kidding? I highly doubt people on the hiring board review an internet forum for potential new hires!

In addition, they only review the files after processing, don't think they make the calls too.??