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Clothesliner wrote:I believe atheists make up about 5% of the population. Even if it were only 2%, that's still 2% of 6 billion people. That's more than a "very few."
Maybe, and that's a big maybe... I've seen people pray, or "beg for something" into "nothingness" and they think they're "atheists." But in fact they are agnostic......

Like I said, I believe we have very few atheists, because those who think they are "atheists" are not, if they were in "nam" for example, and got shot and started "praying" "please don't let me die" to something, that would preclude them from being "atheists."

You can say you don't believe, but when judgement comes they usually "slip up."

Like I said, you can say and delude yourself into thinking you're an atheist but, small things, family in an accident, you in an accident, or something of sorts, and oops, all of a sudden, agnostic....
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Clothesliner wrote:I believe atheists make up about 5% of the population. Even if it were only 2%, that's still 2% of 6 billion people. That's more than a "very few."
I wonder how many people who call themselves atheists qualify? Most people fall into the category of following (or at least believing in) one religion or another. Those of the atheist persuasion generally follow secular humanism and its codependent, biological evolutionism, which is claimed to have a source, or creator, of some description. It has been generally accepted that the odds of life spontaneously evolving from nothing, are rated roughly the same as a 747 being created by a tornado passing over a junk yard. Since we know the 747 had a creator, and that in the secular humanist's worldview, a 747's spontaneous creation would be statistically impossible, it would follow that to have any belief in biological evolution (which is infinitely more complex than a 747) an aspect of faith would be required. A far larger amount of faith, I would say, than is required for a belief in God. Is that not in the end what religion boils down to, a belief in those things that are unseen?
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I haven't seen a single thing posted here indicating the presence of any pagans. Agnostics and atheists and nonconforming catholics and miscellaneous other sects of Christianity for sure....but no pagans.
I feel so left out :(
I had no intention of leaving you out, my friend...you just hadn't posted to this thread.

After all, if I mentioned every denomination that the posters on AvCanada belong to, I'd run out of space.

However, in the interests of making nicey-nice, I'm now mentioning smart-ass Jewish folks. :D
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fogghorn wrote:Is that not in the end what religion boils down to, a belief in those things that are unseen?
Historically it's more of a convenient explaination for what we do not yet understand, but hey, whatever helps you sleep at night. And even if we take your definition of religion at face value, it's still faulty, as religion is quite obviously only a belief in those things unseen - that are endorsed and approved by your given religion or faith. Believe in something unseen that's not on the approved guest list and you're a heretic.
A far larger amount of faith, I would say, than is required for a belief in God.
Ergo, you're religious, and your opinion on this subject is hardly earth shattering. Sorry, but the "I think my unconfirmable claim is slightly more probable than your unconfirmable claim, based solely on my gut instinct" argument amounts to exactly nothing. Don't feel bad, this applies to Atheists almost as much.

Look at it this way - two people are put in a locked room with a small metal box that's completely sealed and welded to the floor. Person X says it's empty, and Person Y says there's an apple in it. Person X's primary argument is that Person Y can't prove there actually is an apple, and Person Y's primary argument is that his/her family has been believing in the apple for thousands of years, and X can't prove the apple isn't there.

It's simplified, but do you honestly think that either person is going to actually be able to persuade the other that they're wrong? This is why trying to "prove" the existence of God is so utterly futile, be it with funky probabilities, supposed miracles, or loosely translated documents a few millenia old. The other guy can't prove you wrong, and he thinks your "evidence" is as solid as wet noodle. Nobody's got proof, nobody can even agree who's job it is to have proof. All either side has to offer is opinion and conjecture.
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I don't understand it, so it must have been God. :roll: :roll:

And just who are these people who accept that magic 747s are in anyway related to bio-chemical reactions resulting in life? Can you show me the calculation done to come up with this comparison? That's the problem with creationism and 'intelligent design'. The argument ends with, "cause I said so!"

There is no mathematical calculation, nothing to back up the claim. Science is PROVABLE. That's what makes a scientific argument different from a religious one. ("The bible is proof" doesn't work, I can write a book and claim God was my muse too. Doesn't make me right.)

By the way, my God can beat up your God... I have no proof, you'll just have to take my word for it.

Is there something more intellegent that humans? The made up odds are good. Is it God? Maybe, but more likely just more evolved life. Hell some dogs I know are smarter than some Humans I know.
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For those who still entertain the notion that the universe and it's contents must have been created by some sort of Godish thing and could never have evolved by natural events then what the hell could have possibly created God?


If you are seriously and honestly looking for the truth follow these four steps:

1. Observation and description of a phenomenon or group of phenomena.

2. Formulation of an hypothesis to explain the phenomena. In physics, the hypothesis often takes the form of a causal mechanism or a mathematical relation.

3. Use of the hypothesis to predict the existence of other phenomena, or to predict quantitatively the results of new observations.

4. Performance of experimental tests of the predictions by several independent experimenters and properly performed experiments.


Knowledge is by far the greatest treasure mankind will ever have. There is no spiritual knowledge, there is only knowledge.
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[quote="Apparo"]For those who still entertain the notion that the universe and it's contents must have been created by some sort of Godish thing and could never have evolved by natural events then what the hell could have possibly created God?


God is eternal, we want to bring him down to our level of understanding, so we ask who created him. We are incapable of that level of thought and will not get our acceptable answer to that, this side of eternity. It is liking trying to get around the concept of God as a trinity, 3 persons, but of one mind. The human mind, regardless of human pride, cannot describe or fully explain that concept.
As far as scientific process regarding evolution. Children are being taught this particular dogmatic doctrine as if it were indisputable fact. They are taught things like: Bears evolved into whales. I am not making this up, but someone with a very vivid imagination has. Darwin's theories have been debunked, but old habits die hard. As George Carlin quipped, if we evolved from apes, why are there still apes?? The scientifically observable fact is, there is absolutely zero evidence in the fossil record or elsewhere, to prove transpeciation. Why then, is this belief still dogmatically held and taught, does this blind belief not constitute a form of religion?
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Darwin's theories have been debunked, but old habits die hard.
By who? Respected scientists based on new evidence, or those whose sole goal is just to prove evolution wrong? The beauty of science is that it is self correcting. If you can provide evidence that counters an existing theory, and be able to back it up, then the existing theory will be corrected or replaced.

What do you think about the Gospel of Judas? If it's true, and it is looking more and more like it is, then the Bible hasn't been providing people with the true meaning that Jesus was trying to teach people.
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Apparo wrote:For those who still entertain the notion that the universe and it's contents must have been created by some sort of Godish thing and could never have evolved by natural events then what the hell could have possibly created God?.
Hell is a creation of "religious" groups.. The fact that you state and use the word in your sentence, disqualifies you from being an atheist..

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costermonger wrote: Look at it this way - two people are put in a locked room with a small metal box that's completely sealed and welded to the floor. Person X says it's empty, and Person Y says there's an apple in it. Person X's primary argument is that Person Y can't prove there actually is an apple, and Person Y's primary argument is that his/her family has been believing in the apple for thousands of years, and X can't prove the apple isn't there.

It's simplified, but do you honestly think that either person is going to actually be able to persuade the other that they're wrong? This is why trying to "prove" the existence of God is so utterly futile, be it with funky probabilities, supposed miracles, or loosely translated documents a few millenia old. The other guy can't prove you wrong, and he thinks your "evidence" is as solid as wet noodle. Nobody's got proof, nobody can even agree who's job it is to have proof. All either side has to offer is opinion and conjecture.
*sigh*

But eventually the person X will get hungry, and Person X may start to waiver on his "box is empty" beliefs, he might start thinking, "shit it might have a key to get out" "it might have a granola bar" it might have something...."

A shred of doubt and you can't be an atheist. And yes, some serial killers, who have no emotions, would probably just lay there and let themselves die, without a glimer of care about that box.... But those people without that "emotion(faith)" are few.
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hey, God could come in handy one day....

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cyyz wrote:A shred of doubt and you can't be an atheist.


Right, any doubt and you're an agnostic. But you're still a "non-believer". You might not be sure what's in that box but you can still think the other guy's a loon for claiming there's an apple there because you know damn well he doesn't have any more to go on than you do.

It's no suprise that a huge portion of people who self identify as atheist are actually agnostic.
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fogghorn wrote:They are taught things like: Bears evolved into whales. I am not making this up
Yes, you quite obviously are.
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fogghorn wrote:They are taught things like: Bears evolved into whales. I am not making this up
Yes, you quite obviously are.
No, categorically I am not.

Regarding the so called Gospel of Judas. It was proven a fraud 1700 years ago when first written, as contrary to the actual Gospels written in the first century. Funny how these things just keep on resurfacing though, like i said before, its about as original a tactic for dismissing the Bible as throwing dirt.
On another wonderfully heralded scientific achievment. The Shroud of Turin. Dismissed as a clever hoax and declared made sometime in the 13 century. Funny thing is, science, in all it's glory and after exhaustive study, has no explanation for how it's image was produced, especially the 3 D part. That has really had them scratching their heads since it was first viewed in the negative a hundred odd years ago. With the advent of photography, the incredible image it held, became apparent. I guess the medeival artists really were clever fellows, inspired to create something no secular scientist can explain, for no apparent reason. Maybe it is the burial shroud of Christ - the image imprinted at the precise second of the resurrection, maybe not, but certain serious questions remain. It cannot be explained by modern science, and there is a huge, ongoing dispute as to it's date of origin.
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I don't see how we're that much different than chimps. We're just as dumb. Maybe dumber!

I mean, we SHIT in our drinking water sources. Yeah, we're smart.

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fogghorn wrote:
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fogghorn wrote:They are taught things like: Bears evolved into whales. I am not making this up
Yes, you quite obviously are.
No, categorically I am not.

Ya so there costermonger!

Just Kidding

Foghorn what is your source? other than the voices in your head.
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fogghorn wrote:No, categorically I am not.
Let's see one source where a respected scientist (ie. not one wacko who's lunatic ravings you're attributing to the entire scientific community) claims that whales evolved from bears.
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costermonger wrote:
fogghorn wrote:No, categorically I am not.
Let's see one source where a respected scientist (ie. not one wacko who's lunatic ravings you're attributing to the entire scientific community) claims that whales evolved from bears.
This makes me wonder, Can bears swim?

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cyyz wrote:The fact that you state and use the word in your sentence, disqualifies you from being an atheist..
Sorry, play again....
The word is part of the vernacular and was being used as part of an expression, not as a noun in it's traditional sense. Nice try though, but it's sort of like saying anybody who uses "Hello" as a greeting is a Satanist.
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fogghorn wrote:
costermonger wrote:
fogghorn wrote:They are taught things like: Bears evolved into whales. I am not making this up
Yes, you quite obviously are.
No, categorically I am not.

Regarding the so called Gospel of Judas. It was proven a fraud 1700 years ago when first written, as contrary to the actual Gospels written in the first century. Funny how these things just keep on resurfacing though, like i said before, its about as original a tactic for dismissing the Bible as throwing dirt.
Was it proven wrong 1700 years ago, or was it thrown out because it went against what the newly forming Church believed? The whole "history is written by the victors" thing comes to mind here.
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costermonger wrote:
fogghorn wrote:No, categorically I am not.
Let's see one source where a respected scientist (ie. not one wacko who's lunatic ravings you're attributing to the entire scientific community) claims that whales evolved from bears.
Evolutionists say "the whale's past is extremely obscure. All we know is that sometime ... some smallish, four-footed land animals began a series of extraordinarily rapid evolutionary changes. In the geologically short span of 50 million years they learned to swim instead of walk, and to reproduce offspring able to swim from the moment they left the womb." (The Living World of the Sea, William J. Cromie, p.268-269.)



The above author may be a wacko, but these textbooks are being used and their material is being taught, in CDN highschools. Maybe this guy is not refering to bears, but he is refering to land mammals becoming whales. There is no evidence of this, just wild speculation, yet if a student were to openly and repeatedly question this dogma, (and religion of evolutionism as propounded by our education system) he would be branded the wack job and ostracized. Much along the lines of the early Christians who were more than ostracized, but slaughtered prior to the council of Nicea, 325 a.d. I find some really glaring propostitions in Brown's fictional tome. His theme that Christianity was put in place by the powerful first century Christians, ( the most powerful being the apostles, who were all crucified or stoned to death for their steadfast belief in a myth - that's some kind of power they had) to subjugate and demoralize women, is one of the most laughable. Women were very prominent in the Old and New Testament of the Bible, much more so than in the secular world. We wont even talk about what Islam has done to/for women. Yet Davincis author finds it necessary to single out Christianity as the great oppressor of women of all time. If that were the case, why were women the first people to come upon the empty tomb of Christ as recorded in Mark 16. If women were such losers, why would the authors of the fictional gospels (as per Dan Brown) have women be the first to discover the proof of the resurrection. That single discovery is the underpinning of the entire Christian faith, without it, it means nothing. So why did these authors not put men in the place of prominence of finding the tomb, if it were not factual?
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We're not some brainiacs on the nerd patrol. We're not members of the factinista. We go straight from the gut. That's where the truth lies, right down here in the gut. Do you know you have more nerve endings in your gut than you have in your head? You can look it up. Now, I know some of you are going to say, "I did look it up, and that's not true." That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut. I did. My gut tells me that's how our nervous system works.
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fogghorn wrote:
costermonger wrote:
fogghorn wrote:No, categorically I am not.
Let's see one source where a respected scientist (ie. not one wacko who's lunatic ravings you're attributing to the entire scientific community) claims that whales evolved from bears.
Evolutionists say "the whale's past is extremely obscure. All we know is that sometime ... some smallish, four-footed land animals began a series of extraordinarily rapid evolutionary changes. In the geologically short span of 50 million years they learned to swim instead of walk, and to reproduce offspring able to swim from the moment they left the womb." (The Living World of the Sea, William J. Cromie, p.268-269.)



The above author may be a wacko, but these textbooks are being used and their material is being taught, in CDN highschools. Maybe this guy is not refering to bears, but he is refering to land mammals becoming whales. There is no evidence of this, just wild speculation, yet if a student were to openly and repeatedly question this dogma, (and religion of evolutionism as propounded by our education system) he would be branded the wack job and ostracized. Much along the lines of the early Christians who were more than ostracized, but slaughtered prior to the council of Nicea, 325 a.d. I find some really glaring propostitions in Brown's fictional tome. His theme that Christianity was put in place by the powerful first century Christians, ( the most powerful being the apostles, who were all crucified or stoned to death for their steadfast belief in a myth - that's some kind of power they had) to subjugate and demoralize women, is one of the most laughable. Women were very prominent in the Old and New Testament of the Bible, much more so than in the secular world. We wont even talk about what Islam has done to/for women. Yet Davincis author finds it necessary to single out Christianity as the great oppressor of women of all time. If that were the case, why were women the first people to come upon the empty tomb of Christ as recorded in Mark 16. If women were such losers, why would the authors of the fictional gospels (as per Dan Brown) have women be the first to discover the proof of the resurrection. That single discovery is the underpinning of the entire Christian faith, without it, it means nothing. So why did these authors not put men in the place of prominence of finding the tomb, if it were not factual?

so why doesn't Darth Vader remember c3po from when he was a little boy? It's because it's A FUCKIN STORY!!!!!!!!!!
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Dust Devil wrote:so why doesn't Darth Vader remember c3po from when he was a little boy? It's because it's A FUCKIN STORY!!!!!!!!!!
Actually, he never met c3p0... Secondly, C3 was a protocol droid, just like R2 was an astromech, they're a dime a dozen these droids, you wouldn't ever notice them from a distance or at a glance(and differentiate), secondly, 20 years of ruling(2nd in command) the universe you might forget about a stupid droid you built... But maybe it's just me...
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