Calling the CPs....

[Beacon Final]

When calling a air operator / cheif pilot.....


WHAT THE HELL ARE SUPPOSED TO SAY? with out sound to dumb!!


Should I say stuff like this????

Hello Mr. Cheif Pilot, I'm Joe low time, and I was wondering.....

If I went up to the airport, do you think I could have 2 min of yer time?

Are you going to be hiring? Should I bother send a resume / visit?

If I gave you my sister, could I have a job?


Oh and should you ever leave a voice mail????? If so, what do you say?


Thanks guys.....

3 Green bang head

[Swamp Donkey]

What does your sister look like?

[Gards]

Ill tell you how I got my first job. I moved somewhere, checked things out for a few days to see where evryone hung out. Found out where all the pilots went after work, then got myself a job as a bartendar at the local hang out. Just kept bugging guys and eventualy I was offered a flying job on a C-206 on floats. No ramp luckily! Now when I look for work I fax out a resume and give it about 3 or 4 days then call to followup. I just tell them who I am and that I faxed a resume a few days ago. Ask them if they will be looking in the next while. If yes then bug them once a week (maybe 1 every 2 weeks depending on how they are talking to you). If no, make small talk and ask them for their advice or if they now anyone else that would be hiring. Stay in touch with key companies every month or couple months because that will keep your name fresh for future hiring. Just my thoughts. I just accepted a job this morning so its worked for me for the past 3 seasons. Good Luck to ALL!!

gards

[ahramin]

How much does your sister make? If it is more than me you can have MY job for her.

I never did call operators. Not unless i was already in town and the cp had stepped out of the office. More horseshoes i guess but in four road trips i only missed talking to someone in the hiring process twice.

ahramin

[phillyfan]

Phone calls are a bloody nuisance. It seems like pilots have a real knack for calling just as we've got the barrel half way up the ramp or were fighting to pull the tail of the Otter in, when the winds are blowing 40 kts. There really is no substitute for a visit in person. That way you know when it's appropriate to approach.
If someone comes through on a road trip I’ve always been pretty good about handing them a beer and feeding them some burgers off the BBQ, maybe even take them along on a trip if possible (having been in the same boat myself). Sitting down over beers with a group of guys who fly in the area is a great way to find out what might be open in the area. Plus in an industry where it's a great deal about who you know. It doesn’t hurt to sit down and shoot the shit with the guys for a while as opposed to pulling up in you car and simply dropping off a resume. Networking boys it's all about networking. Plus if a guy turns down a beer. It’s usually a good sign that he probably can't be trusted. Just my opinion.

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i'm not too big on faxing stuff off. it's too easy to file under "g".

[level510]

I agree with the posts so far but will add the higher up the ladder you go in aviation the less of a good idea it is to call chief pilots (unless you know them and are buying beer), it's fine for the first few jobs even as far as first or second turbine job but after that mail or fax in a resume it will not get chucked in the trash if you're in the correct experiance bracket (IMHO).

Telephone calls always catch you off guard, pop in if the CP/ Ops manager looks busy or there is a general air of panic in the air quietly excuse your self and leave. Come late in the day just before 4pm most people are just looking for an excuse to stop work and have a chat.

And most important please don't list "useless types on your resume" even if you've only ever flown C150s and a Senica for your 200hrs just say you have 200 hrs, we all did at one time don't be embarrised, don't try add filler to a resume for no reason.

Next tip forget flight school this is the real world, once you get into a discussion in the office don't talk about rumours you've read on forums to break the ice unless you are certain the rumour is 100% correct and brand new.

[skywagon]

Hey Philly, I agree with what you say, except the part about turning down a beer. In my case I must otherwise , I act like a hyper-active 14 yr. old with his first six pack of Old Milwaukee. I have proven this many, many times. It doesn't mean I can't be trusted, it just means I don't want to end up in the ditch puking! I was nervous enough on road trips, without making an as* of myself TOO. I just think some people shouldn't pre-judge others if you don't know them.

[phillyfan]

That just means you’re a cheap drunk skywagon. Nothing wrong with that. In my part of the world we think highly of guys that wake up in the morning flat on they’re back in the parking lot while the tourists unload around them. On days off of course!!

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hah i gotta go with philly on this one. Some of my good freinds had a new guy hired at their base. He was caught pouring drinks out onto the carpet as to appear as if he was drinking. The caught him doing it and he left the house in shame. Two days later he quit.

I like the sound of your parties philly. Nothing quite like waking up the next morning around total destruction; then calling people who you think might have been at the party, trying to figure out what happened.

[skywagon]

Hey carpet -boy is a loser because he was trying to run with the big dogs and make an impression of what he was not. I like unwinding now and again, but don't fault road-trippers if they don't drink with strangers and buy rounds to suck up to anyone to get a job... My main point I guess is it is hard for anyone to meet everybody's expectations when they walk through the front door. Those who have done several serious road trips know what it's like. I'd rather them buy me a drink in celebration after leaving the dock for their first time on their own with the nod from the boss!

[Benwa]

The only thing I have to say on this subject is, if they ever suggest you go find another job in town, get the heck out of there ! It's not a good place to be. I really don't get it when a CP looks at how good a guy is at flipping burgers to finally give him a flying position. This is a TOTAL lack of respect. Those companies should even be banned from the CAAP. But hey! who the !/?%$ am I to say anything.

[3Green]