Will not hire......

Howitzer · Post by **Howitzer** » Mon May 22, 2006 6:09 pm

I came across this add recently on this website. I'm wondering about the little phrase at the end regarding "will not hire pilots". Can they legally say that crap? They might as well say "no handicapped people" or some other b.s. that should have nothing to do with your actual job qualifications. Bunch of A holes. I understand that they may not want pilots because pilots will want to fly, but don't write that in there, come on people.

http://regionalhelpwanted.com/Search/de ... 2&ID=11657

Job Title: Flight Coordination
Position Available: Immediately.
Job Location: Calgary

Reply To: AirSprint Inc

Email: Respond via email
Web: http://www.airsprint.com

Job Category: Aviation/Aerospace/Defense
Hospitality/Tourism

Flight Coordination
Flight Operations Coordinator

AirSprint is proud to be Canada’s only coast-to-coast Fractional Ownership Program. At AirSprint we are committed to servicing the air transportation needs of Canadians with innovation, efficiency and excellence.

With the increasing growth of our company with have introduced a new position into our flight coordination department to facilitate our primary role; assisting the client in achieving his or her objectives of travel.

Our Flight Coordination department is looking for a highly organized, high energy, positive and communicative self-starter with a passion for aviation.

Job Description:
The Flight Coordinator is the focal point of AirSprint and acts as a median for information between departments. Our operations personal will focus on Canadian Aviation Regulations as well as primarily providing our customer service personal with information relevant to flight crew and maintenance.

Responsibilities:
-Flight Following
-Crew Scheduling
-Pilot notification of all flights
-All Customs arrangements
-Assisting Company Operations Manager/Chief Pilot to ensure all operations are conducted within CARs
Additional possible duties:
-booking of flights
-Answering phone calls/emails from clients
-confirming flight details with clients
-ensuring catering, car rentals, hotel rooms are provided

To be considered for this position you must be available for a various shifts from:
0600-1700 Monday – Sunday

Requirements:
-Aviation background strongly recommended
-Basic understanding of CARs
-Minimum 2 years post-secondary education
-Excellent analytical problem-solving skills
-Computer knowledge (Windows 2000)
-Multi-tasking, prioritization and time management skills
-Ability to work on time sensitive materials
-Customer service skills

**PILOTS WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED FOR THIS POSTION**

Please apply for this job only in the manner specified. Failure to do so may result in your application not being properly considered for the position.

AirSprint Inc
Job Location: Calgary
Available Immediately
Posted: 5/18/06

wha happen · Post by **wha happen** » Mon May 22, 2006 6:13 pm

Requirements:
-Aviation background strongly recommended
-Basic understanding of CARs
-Excellent analytical problem-solving skills
-Multi-tasking, prioritization and time management skills
-Ability to work on time sensitive materials
-Customer service skills

Sounds like they want a pilot to me. Show me someone who is not a pilot who understands the CARs. Actually show me a pilot who actually understands the CARs. They make a good point

Dockjock · Post by **Dockjock** » Mon May 22, 2006 6:21 pm

Show me somebody in Calgary with a pulse and a high school diploma that does not already have a job. Highly profitable companies with good working conditions and substantial pay are having trouble recruiting people. Somebody can walk into a law firm or energy company downtown with a high school diploma and get a job answering phones for $35K.
Add on all the other qualifications that Air Sprint desires and I think they're looking at one thing in the end.... a pilot. This industry can not survive without low time pilots doing the 'grunt work' at the bottom for little money. But I could be wrong and I hope I am!

w squared · Post by **w squared** » Mon May 22, 2006 6:28 pm

I'm not a pilot yet, and I'm sure that I could brush up on CARS fast enough for their liking. I already live in cowtown. All they'd have to do is offer me the same kind of money that I"m making now. Hmmmm...how fast would I have to talk to get them to pay me $2500 a week plus per diem?

On second thought, I might just keep on doing what I'm doing.

oldtimer · Post by **oldtimer** » Mon May 22, 2006 6:54 pm

Don't know about the legal aspect of the add but the reason for no pilots is because they are looking for a lifer, someone who is dedicated etc. etc.who will stick with the job.
Now I do not know anything about the company or their hiring practices but it has been my experience with other companies who hired pilots to be dispatchers and rampies. They make excellent employees but they are pilots first and foremost and will jump at the first chance to fly, with little regard for the consequences of their primary job.
This is the way it is and management has recognised this fact and are hiring a flight coordinator, not some pilot looking for a foot in the door.
Like it or lump it, at least they are honest.

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Mon May 22, 2006 10:03 pm

If you want the job, apply and don't mention "pilot."

It's more of a mean way to say, "you won't get on the line with this job, so sod off.."

sprucemonkey · Post by **sprucemonkey** » Thu May 25, 2006 8:52 pm

The CP has been dispatched. Women need not apply. So whats wrong with not having a 201 hr wonder as their dispatcher? Maybe they get tired of training a new dispatcher every 3 months. Maybe it would be nice to have someone who has their head in the game instead of drooling over the cockpit of the aircrafts in the hangar. I have many dedicated dispatchers and the difference is notable compared to pilot wannabeees (farmers not included).

(edited by sprucemonkeys dispatcher for spelling)

See, always on top of things.

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Fri May 26, 2006 12:01 am

sprucemonkey wrote: So whats wrong with not having a 201 hr wonder as their

Ahh no pilots, so no CPL, PPL, RPP, Gliders, ultra-lightists.. NO pilots, 1 hr or 100000... No pilots....

Dust Devil · Post by **Dust Devil** » Fri May 26, 2006 7:15 am

Who cares!

Zapp Brannigan · Post by **Zapp Brannigan** » Fri May 26, 2006 9:02 am

What if a guy/girl applies that has a CPL but doesn't have any interest in pursuing a career flying, would they ignore thier application just based on the CPL? I don't totally agree with this, but I can see types of pilots they are trying to not hire, but use the interview to determine who will most likely stick around.

corn-shoot · Post by **corn-shoot** » Fri May 26, 2006 2:13 pm

Maybe they figured out that many pilots are such rediculous @#$!-ups with both the spoken and written portions of our english language they're better off hiring direct from the labotomy clinic down the street.

N2 · Post by N2 » Fri May 26, 2006 5:45 pm

Corn-shoot you nailed it! Besides that a pilot would probably be telling them how to run the business after the first week on the job....because they do know everything ...don't they?

ils09 · Post by **ils09** » Fri May 26, 2006 6:39 pm

Dont waste your time there, the last guy left after 2 weeks and he was a smart guy with a good head on his shoulders. and it is the same old story everytime.

hazatude · Post by **hazatude** » Fri May 26, 2006 6:42 pm

corn-shoot wrote:Maybe they figured out that many pilots are such rediculous @#$!-ups with both the spoken and written portions of our english language they're better off hiring direct from the labotomy clinic down the street.

WS739 · Post by **WS739** » Sat May 27, 2006 10:34 am

Dont waste your time there, the last guy left after 2 weeks and he was a smart guy with a good head on his shoulders. and it is the same old story everytime.

Im glad you speak of yourself so highly!

just another pilot · Post by **just another pilot** » Mon May 29, 2006 10:28 pm

Since they will not hire a pilot for the position, I assume the salary is decent then?

ils09 · Post by **ils09** » Tue May 30, 2006 9:39 am

I wasnt that guy. For the record, he came after me.

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Tue May 30, 2006 9:42 am

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Okay, just for my sake, why don't they hire a pilot and let him work 1/2 "ramp" Flight Coordinator and 1/2 pilot?

ils09 · Post by **ils09** » Tue May 30, 2006 10:12 am

That is the theory, except you dont fly. They put all sorts of restrictions on the type of flights the Flight Coordinator can do and when you do fly there are certain "full time" FO's that get their backs up and complain that you are taking their flights. When in actuallity the flight coordinator puts in 5 times as many hours around the place for the same pay as the complaining FO's. They will say that you are going to fly as well but such is not so much the case.

NAYA · Post by **NAYA** » Tue May 30, 2006 10:34 am

Lets not forget that the full time FO's for the most part have probably put in their "5 times the work" else where and deserve a full time flying position. Do your time in the trenches, stop complaining and you will get there like we all have.

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Tue May 30, 2006 10:40 am

NAYA wrote:Lets not forget that the full time FO's for the most part have probably put in their "5 times the work" else where and deserve a full time flying position. Do your time in the trenches, stop complaining and you will get there like we all have.

Wow, they worked the ramp at Skyward and now deserve to be full time F/O's. You could have been king of shit else where, but here you're(they, not you literally) are just shit like everyone else.....

Search how much "ramp time" counts towards "ramp time" at other employers...
ils09 makes sense.... sorry naya, think you're wrong....

NAYA · Post by **NAYA** » Tue May 30, 2006 11:59 am

Let me clarify. What I mean is that the guys who "deserve' full time pilot jobs are the ones that have already worked the ramp, then instructed, flew in the bush, built up time dropping jumpers or whatever, the list goes on. They then applied to an operator who wants a bit more time to go direct to the right seat. The 200 hr guys who go direct to a ramp job or dispatch by all means deserve a full time flying job after they have put in some time. They do not deserve the right to complain that at 200 hrs, a year on the ramp/dispatch is a hardship. Consider your self lucky and get on with it. Many others have done alot more time in worse conditions to get that first right seat job.

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Tue May 30, 2006 12:11 pm

NAYA wrote:Let me clarify. What I mean is that the guys who "deserve' full time pilot jobs are the ones that have already worked the ramp, then instructed, flew in the bush, built up time dropping jumpers or whatever, the list goes on. They then applied to an operator who wants a bit more time to go direct to the right seat. The 200 hr guys who go direct to a ramp job or dispatch by all means deserve a full time flying job after they have put in some time. They do not deserve the right to complain that at 200 hrs, a year on the ramp/dispatch is a hardship. Consider your self lucky and get on with it.

Many others have done alot more time in worse conditions to get that first right seat job.

So then how about a 2000hr instructor who wants the coordinator job and work p/t as an f/o, how much complaining can the "full-time" f/o's get and be allowed to dish out?

I agree with you, you could do worse, and apparently, you can't even work the ramp at sprint anymore as they no longer accept "pilots." But it was just a mere question I asked, and the asnwer was the f/t guys complained, but, so my second question is, are they allowed to complain if the p/t guy had 1000 hours???

NAYA · Post by **NAYA** » Tue May 30, 2006 12:44 pm

Complain all you want. Some guys carreers go different paths. If you aren't happy with your current path be proactive and change it. I still have little pitty for a guy sitting in a major centre (YYC, YYZ, etc) who has low time and complains that it is taking too long to go online. Go else where bust your ass on the ramp in the cold in the way up there north and see how good really have have it.

ils09 · Post by **ils09** » Wed May 31, 2006 8:20 am

Sprint was started right around 9/11 when everyone was desperate for work, therefore guys would do anything to get near an airplane, and Sprint knew that and took advantage of theat. Time have changed and there are bigger and better things available to a person with a few hours. What sprint has to realize is that times have changed and if people continue to be treated as they are then employees wont stick around very long. Management needs to smell the beans an realize that a comanywhere employees are happy will be a company where "clients" are happy.