certificate of registration?

helinas · Post by **helinas** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:05 am

HI guys,

I know I posed this question before but Transport Canada can't help me with this as they tell me to go to Ottawa and ask them, so maybe some of you guys can help me with this c of r question. If you look below under number 7 (company D) and number 9 (company C) you see a gap between February 1991 and August 1994. Who actually registered this airplane between these two dates as Company C cancelled the c of r. Company C and Company D worked together because Company D did not have an OC and Company C did, so I am guessing Company C cancelled formed a subsidiary and continued until 1994 when Company D finally got their OC and took over. Does this make sense? I need some help if anybody could and if not oh well I guess I have to go to Ottawa. I am just puzzled about this gap between 1991 and 1994 but if it doesn't show anybody new registering the airplane I am assuming that Company C continued to have custody and control until 1994.
Any thoughts would be appreciated

thank you

Historical Search Results

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Historical Information, directly from the Official Canadian Civil Aircraft Register database.

10 matches found (As of April 5, 2006, all searches are limited to 500 records) Mark Service Date updated Common Name Model Owner name Owner Registered Since
1 C-GISY Delete Aircraft 2004-01-30 Partenavia P68C 2003-03-19 COMPANY D
2 C-GISY Cancel C of R 2004-01-30 Partenavia P68C 2003-03-19 COMPANY D
3 C-GISY Certificate of Registration 2003-03-19 Partenavia P68C . 2003-03-19 COMPANY D
4 C-GISY Certificate of Registration 2003-03-19 Partenavia P68C . 2003-03-19 COMPANY D
5 C-GISY Cancel C of R 2002-10-14 Partenavia P68C 1994-08-29 COMPANY D
6 C-GISY Certificate of Registration 2002-07-09 Partenavia P68C 1994-08-29 COMPANY D
7 C-GISY Certificate of Registration 1994-08-29 Partenavia P68C 1994-08-29 COMPANY D
8 C-GISY Cancel C of R 1987-04-21 Partenavia P68C -COMPANY A -
9 C-GISY Cancel C of R 1991-02-26 Partenavia P68C - -COMPANY C
10 C-GISY Cancel C of R 1990-02-07 Partenavia P68C COMPANY B

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ahramin · Post by **ahramin** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:22 am

Ooo won't the girls in Ottawa be excited.

Spinner · Post by **Spinner** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:58 am

The plane didn't go to the states for that period or was it damaged?

helinas · Post by **helinas** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:53 pm

No the plane was not damaged or went to the states.

goldeneagle · Post by **goldeneagle** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:54 pm

there's a record or two missing in the database. I doubt this is really uncommon, somewhere along the line that information got transferred from the 'real source' to the database used for online queries. Probably not a definitive process.

helinas · Post by **helinas** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 3:01 pm

so what are you saying goldeneagle, that somebody did not do their job right processing the info correctly at TC?

CD · Post by CD » Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:02 pm

I see that this particular aircraft has been the subject of a few access to information requests as well...

TPC2005000448 Transport Canada Public 2005-09-12 00:00:00 Seeking
information pertaining to Airline Training Resources (Seminars) Incorporated
with respect to aircraft C-GISY a 1986 Partenavia P68C between January 1, 1989
to December 31, 1996.

TPC2005000449 Transport Canada Public 2005-09-12 00:00:00 Seeking
Information on D & R Aviation Inc. (maintenance) based at Toronto with respect
to aircrafts C-GISY a 1986 Partenavia P68C and C-FSUN a 1971 Piper Navajo
between January 1, 1989 to December 31, 1992.

TPC2005000450 Transport Canada Public 2005-09-12 00:00:00
Information on the registered aircraft C-GISY, which is a 1986 Partenavia
P68C, serial number 370. Time period is from January 1, 1990 to December 31,
1995.

OnLineDemocracy - Monthly reports from the Canadian Access to Information Request System database - 1995
JetPhotos.net

There certainly does appear to be a gap when the aircraft isn't showing has having a valid CofR in Canada. Perhaps it was being employed by the CIA...

I see that it is now in the U.S. living a new life as N80383

gigglybearings · Post by **gigglybearings** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 5:20 pm

Just a thought. Maybe it was parked or in storage for that period of time. Do any of the aircraft records indicate it being operated for that period? I am not sure what difference it would make if it was registered or not.

If you are seeking this information for a prebuy history, the maintenance and aircraft records should be a better source to determine when, where and by whom the aircraft was operated.

Just my 2 cents worth...

fougapilot · Post by **fougapilot** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 5:19 pm

Helinas,

We can clearly see there is a gap in CofR for this airplane. But my question is why is it so important? Is the airplane currently operating under a valid CofR? Is the airplane properly maintained and safe to fly? If so, then why go through all the problem of finding its history?

Just a question...

D