SKYWARD MEDIVA ALIVE AGAIN!

[ei ei owe]

Maybe when the company went down the tube and the owners got together and had a meeting to see where they were all going from that point on and had no options because all planes were sold, all assets were gone and everything repo'd then it would be justifiable to let the employees down. But that's not the case. They scrambled to save what they could, hid potential sources of cash and transferred assets to family members. I completely understand the point of owners wanting to look after themselves and making money but to cheat former employees of rightful earnings and savings is the point and that's why the former owners are bags of sh$t, should be made to sell what they now own and pay off their debts.

The courts protect the criminals unless the innocent fight to the death to prove what's right. C'mon, is it really that far of a concept to say that FB now owns a plane in Ontario and runs a business and could pay previous debts? To prove it in court is the big deal but shit man, I don't know too many cheap lawyers and the cost vs recovery ratio is pretty low.

Don't work for FB. He'll dry hole you first chance he can.

[PARADISE]

Was Skyward a going down a big deal? No. Happens all the time. However I like the discussion that it generates. I think ever up and comer should know what could lie ahead of them.

For F jesus loving B, shame- flying his airplanes is taking your life in your hands. The point of this thread should be don't fly for this b*stard period.

paradise

[PARADISE]

For Localizer. I was there I saw it coming a mile away. The company was a joke.

[Dust Devil]

The reality is this is a pilots forum

Seems to me there are rampies, AME's, Avionics Techs, Dispatchers, FSS people, Transport Canada people, an oil patch safety guy (mabey more who knows) and yes there are indeed pilots and owners. For you to say that this is a pilot forum just goes to show your ignorance of the world outside of your little bubble.

[flyingtiger]

The employee's number one interest is themself because it's their ass in the seat when transport comes a ramping. Contrast that with the owner who has to put absolutely everything ahead of their own life seeing as they have alienated most people around them and lead a meaningless existence. If the phone rings in the middle of the night, guess who does the flight completely ignoring duty days? When a pilot quits with short notice because the boss won't stop micromanaging every aspect of the pilots' day, who picks up the slack? Who's in the office until 10PM on a Sunday night when all the staff are enjoying the below IFR minimums day off? A lot of you posters here assume all owners are in it for themself. Well, the truth is that on a per hour basis, the owner is usually the lowest paid of everyone unless you count the sadistic pleasure gained of pissing off pilots and driving them from your company.

[Crackberry]

Just as a funny/sad tidbit to this conversation, Pastor Dan is actually the President on paper of FPB's new company.

CB

[Localizer]

outside of your little bubble

I like life inside my bubble .... and as for my comments, maybe I was using a little tunnel vision but that really wasn't the point of what I was saying.

The reality is this is a pilots forum and this is how pilots get there info out to the rest of the industry.

Since you need someone to break it down for you here it goes. The point of it was how pilots and industry people alike whether it be AME's, rampies .. or whatever .. this is there voice to the rest of the industry. But thanks for analyzing my sentence and mimicking the media by putting a spin on it ... fine job! ... True managment fashion!

Paradise, good for you .. thanks for using your clarvoiant skills and not passing the message along to the rest of us ...



Loc

[Dust Devil]

outside of your little bubble

I like life inside my bubble .... and as for my comments, maybe I was using a little tunnel vision but that really wasn't the point of what I was saying.

The reality is this is a pilots forum and this is how pilots get there info out to the rest of the industry.

Since you need someone to break it down for you here it goes. The point of it was how pilots and industry people alike whether it be AME's, rampies .. or whatever .. this is there voice to the rest of the industry. But thanks for analyzing my sentence and mimicking the media by putting a spin on it ... fine job! ... True managment fashion!

Paradise, good for you .. thanks for using your clarvoiant skills and not passing the message along to the rest of us ...



Loc

So do you feel employers should be allowed to discuss employees in order to examine the industry?

[Localizer]

So do you feel employers should be allowed to discuss employees in order to examine the industry?

No, because his personal life or personality has nothing to do with you or the company you run .. he's just an employee, a representative of you .. you are the public entity and open to public scrutiny. You as the owner, are the company, the culture of the company and are open to just as much scrutiny as the company you run. If you don't like it .. or can't handle it .. don't get into it! .. go be the employee, pretty easy isn't it?

Go back an re-read Complexintentions post ....



Loc

[nofool]

I like what I read from Anonymous1. And I loved the response from the half a dozen or so ex skyward employees that can't grow up, move on, be civilized etc. Really if there was 200+ employees and about 10 of you are always whining on this site, you make up about 5% of the ex staff. Isn't that pathetic. 5%, you're a nickel. If 5 of you got together then maybe you could call someone that cared. Really there are so few of you maybe you could all move into a house together, and support each other in this great time of difficulty. You could lick each others wounds, and sing sad songs. It would help you to heal from this tragedy. Oh ya, I am sure you'll rationalize and convince yourselves ( all 5% of you) that you were taken advantage of, and so on. And you’ll write about it. However Anonymous is right you all were responsible or at least partly. Don't let me stop you, go ahead keep writing and venting. It doesn't do any harm, The owners, will count their blessings and keep going, new pilots will find jobs with them, AME's will work on their planes.

At the very least take care of yourselves. Even the flawless need to shower, shave, eat and exercise; you can't sit there writing useless mindless clutter forever, for surely it will be the end of you.

Sincerely,
No fool (Pilot and Wrencher)

[Dust Devil]

So do you feel employers should be allowed to discuss employees in order to examine the industry?

No, because his personal life or personality has nothing to do with you or the company you run .. he's just an employee, a representative of you .. you are the public entity and open to public scrutiny. You as the owner, are the company, the culture of the company and are open to just as much scrutiny as the company you run. If you don't like it .. or can't handle it .. don't get into it! .. go be the employee, pretty easy isn't it?

Go back an re-read Complexintentions post ....



Loc

So if a possible hire is a cronic alcholic and doesn't show up to work and is a miserable prick, then that has nothing to do with my company.

Dude your fucked!

[trey kule]

I dont think it is right or necessary for employers to discuss employees on a public forum. A good background check of previous employers will usually tell you what you need to know. And certain things like the fact you received a resume from a pilot who got an initial PPC the month before should tell you something about their character.

Should companies be allowed to be named. tough question, as the very real potential of simply bad mouthing a company is there. On the other hand, it is sometimes hard in this industry to check on a company. Maybe look for telltale signs like a PPC being a job prerequisite.

Just as an aside, I have always taken the position that if you prostituted yourself with a "bad" company to get experience you are no better than them...in fact, without compliance on an employee's part, bad companies could not exist.

[Localizer]

So if a possible hire is a cronic alcholic and doesn't show up to work and is a miserable prick, then that has nothing to do with my company.

Dude your fucked!

No actually ... your fucked ... you and all scumbag piece of shit owners like yourself are the ones that are fucked. Ever hear of equal opportunity? If you hire a drunk, tardy person then you have nobody to blame but your damn self! .. Apparently your interview process is fucked, your reference checks are fucked and you didn't dive deep enough into the persons history to find out what kind of person they really are! .. All you were thinking about was "Get his ass in a seat and make me some damn money!" So go @#$! yourself with this bullshit you keep spewing!

Since you can't have a mature conversation without the use of name calling i'll bring the coversation down to your level ....



NoFool ....

We aren't whinning about shit .. Im sure we have all come to grips with the fact that any money owed to us is long since gone and we will never see it again. More or less there warnings to other people about what SGK did, and what could happen again if you or anyone decides that they would like to fly that fancey Conquest in YRL. I hope you don't have to go thru the same crap yourself one day ... but if you do, and I see you "whinning" on here ... I'll remind you of your fine post!

[Dust Devil]

So if a possible hire is a cronic alcholic and doesn't show up to work and is a miserable prick, then that has nothing to do with my company.

Dude your fucked!

No actually ... your fucked ... you and all scumbag piece of shit owners like yourself are the ones that are fucked. Ever hear of equal opportunity? If you hire a drunk, tardy person then you have nobody to blame but your damn self!

Finally something we agree on. Your right if I hire some douche it is my fault. I can't blame him for looking for a job, but I can blame myself for not checking a guy out using all means available.

I'm not disputing AvCanada's rules in fact I agree that peoples names should not be used on here without permission because it is too easy to unfairly blacklist certin employees. However I wish the same would be done for private companies. Already this thread jumped right into slaming a new startup right off the bat yet no information about it's management staff has been brought forward at all or the type of work contracts it holds that actually puts this new company in a pretty strong place.

Since you feel owners have no place discussing or researching the industry on this board then mabey someone could start a message board just for owners/Ops/Cps and other aviation employeers.

[Localizer]

Already this thread jumped right into slaming a new startup right off the bat yet no information about it's management staff has been brought forward at all or the type of work contracts it holds that actually puts this new company in a pretty strong place.

We are not "slamming" a new company. From what i've been hearing the name of this "medevac" company is exactly the same name it has always been .. just no longer a division of Skyward Aviation. Funny isn't it?

Snakes shed there skin ... even after they do that, they're still a snake.



Loc

[medicineman]

Localizer,

I heard the same...he's keeping the same name. You would think that the name would change.

[Go Guns]

I'm curious how Transports even allowing it. I mean, what all went down is still a mystery but it sure seemed that TC was pretty determined not to see Skyward flying again.

[T-Wheel]

Anonymous1, Dust Devil, Beechy ....
Ok .. So the employee's are whiner's and should just suck it up and move on. Nice .. and you are the reason that aviation is a backstabbing industry, incase you needed someone to point that out.

Most of the employee's were unaware of the back-door dealings, such as uncertified parts, pen whipped inspections ... DO I NEED TO CONTINUE!

The money issue is only a piece of the damn problem .. but when someone gambles my life or the lives of others to save themselves a F*CKING DOLLAR! .. A GAWD DAMN PIECE OF PAPER! Thats the end of the f*cking line my friend. Im sure your feelings would be a lot different had your family been in one of those seats or your own even.

Most companies look at maintenance as an expense rather than an investment. This industry I believe is honest for the most part .. but when a bug such as FB crawls out from under the carpet and rears his ugly head .. I think they need to be squashed for the good of the industry.

The employee's deserved a hell of a lot better. If this company went out of buisness based on the illegal actions of the directors then they should be held personally respondsible. Think about it .. does it make sense? Sure they gamble there money .. but isn't your life, my life .. or the lives of the passengers worth more? How do you put a price on that?

I credit the employee's for making the company work as well as it did. Not the directors ......

So .... now I pose this question to you .... What do you think has changed? Do you think that FB has seen the devine light since Skyward and things are going to be better? Or do you think that the lies and deceit will continue? I'll go with the second choice ...

As to the comment about never missing payroll .... So what? ... Thats there obligation to the employee's ... Just like running a clean and safe company ... get the hint?

The law isn't suppose to protect the offender ....



Loc

( you said it in a nutshell localizer)