Wages for Flight Attendant position is $10/hr..true or false
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Wages for Flight Attendant position is $10/hr..true or false
I heard that WestJest pays only $10/hr for flight attendant position and you don't even get expenses for food etc...is that true? Just curious .... what is the average salary/wage for flight attendant?
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Martin Tamme
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I normally stay away F/A discussions, because I don't like to speculate, however this time around, I do know the answer.
Effective May 01, 2006, the hourly pay for a newhire WestJet F/A is $24.85 per flight hour (increasing to $26.50 after 9 months), with an annual guarantee of $23,860.
As for the $10 that is quoted, I believe that it may have to do with an understanding with HRDC and employment insurance. It was a big problem at Air Transat & Air Canada a few years ago and was only rectified recently:
In accordance with the EI rules, only persons working at least 35 hours per week are entitled to compensation under EI in case of layoff. This rule does not apply if you are mandated by regulations on the number of hours one can work (e.g. Pilots unders CARs).
In order to be eligible for EI, a F/A would have to work 140 hours a month. This was completely ludicrous, since F/As were paid by the flight hour, not by the on-duty or time-away-from-home hours.
In 2002, Air Transat and Air Canada laidoff numerous F/As. Although they had work a full-time schedule, HRDC called them part timers. As such, they weren't eligible for EI.
To get out of this mess, CUPE (which represents Air Transat & Air Canada F/As) urged the companies to redesignate their remuneration. Don't quote me on this, but I think that they settled on a ratio of 1.94. In other words, multiply the hours worked by 1.94, but the hourly pay would be reduced by 1.94.
Therefore a F/A who works 80 hours a month, will be reported as having worked 155 hours (80 x 1.94). However, if the hourly flight wage is $24.85 per hour, it is now being reported as $12.81 per hour ($24.85 ÷ 1.94).
I have no idea if WestJet is doing the same thing, but it would only make sense.
Effective May 01, 2006, the hourly pay for a newhire WestJet F/A is $24.85 per flight hour (increasing to $26.50 after 9 months), with an annual guarantee of $23,860.
As for the $10 that is quoted, I believe that it may have to do with an understanding with HRDC and employment insurance. It was a big problem at Air Transat & Air Canada a few years ago and was only rectified recently:
In accordance with the EI rules, only persons working at least 35 hours per week are entitled to compensation under EI in case of layoff. This rule does not apply if you are mandated by regulations on the number of hours one can work (e.g. Pilots unders CARs).
In order to be eligible for EI, a F/A would have to work 140 hours a month. This was completely ludicrous, since F/As were paid by the flight hour, not by the on-duty or time-away-from-home hours.
In 2002, Air Transat and Air Canada laidoff numerous F/As. Although they had work a full-time schedule, HRDC called them part timers. As such, they weren't eligible for EI.
To get out of this mess, CUPE (which represents Air Transat & Air Canada F/As) urged the companies to redesignate their remuneration. Don't quote me on this, but I think that they settled on a ratio of 1.94. In other words, multiply the hours worked by 1.94, but the hourly pay would be reduced by 1.94.
Therefore a F/A who works 80 hours a month, will be reported as having worked 155 hours (80 x 1.94). However, if the hourly flight wage is $24.85 per hour, it is now being reported as $12.81 per hour ($24.85 ÷ 1.94).
I have no idea if WestJet is doing the same thing, but it would only make sense.
Taxes... I did it in reverse, 28k taxed at 30% brings it to 22k, divide that by 52 weeks and 40 hours in a work week brings it to 10/hr...Kara_007 wrote:I'm sorry...probably a little slow today..brain not working well... what do u mean by 30% which would bring to 29k? Confused
and Tamme explained it well...
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Martin Tamme
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Important Information on Employment Insurance Insurable Hours of Work for Flight Attendants
What is new:
As of April 1, 2003 Records of Employment for flight attendants must reflect the actual number of hours worked and remunerated instead of a standard 35 hours per week.
Why this has changed:
As a result of an insurability ruling at Canada Customs and Revenue Agency (CCRA), It was determined that flight attendants are not included under subsection 11(1) of the Employment Insurance Regulations as there is no federal or provincial statute with respect to the total hours they are permitted to fly. Transport Canada has confirmed that only the pilot and navigators are considered flight crew and have such restrictions (according to Civil Aviation Regulations 700-14 through 700-23)
Prior to this ruling request, both CCRA and Human Resources Development Canada (HRDC) believed that flight attendants were considered part of the flight crew and were entitled to inclusion under subsection 11(1) of the Employment Insurance Regulations, which states that if a full-time employee’s weekly hours of work are restricted to less than 35 hours because of a federal or provincial statute, they are deemed to be employed for 35 hours per week.
However, because no federal or provincial statute applies, flight attendants are insured only for the hours actually worked and remunerated.
What this means to your claim for Employment Insurance benefits:
HRDC does not intend to reconsider retroactively the insured hours of work for flight attendants submitted when applying for EI benefits, even if a claim is still active. However, future claims will be based on actual hours worked and remunerated and you will need to meet the minimum number of hours of insurable employment for your home region in order to qualify for benefits.
What is new:
As of April 1, 2003 Records of Employment for flight attendants must reflect the actual number of hours worked and remunerated instead of a standard 35 hours per week.
Why this has changed:
As a result of an insurability ruling at Canada Customs and Revenue Agency (CCRA), It was determined that flight attendants are not included under subsection 11(1) of the Employment Insurance Regulations as there is no federal or provincial statute with respect to the total hours they are permitted to fly. Transport Canada has confirmed that only the pilot and navigators are considered flight crew and have such restrictions (according to Civil Aviation Regulations 700-14 through 700-23)
Prior to this ruling request, both CCRA and Human Resources Development Canada (HRDC) believed that flight attendants were considered part of the flight crew and were entitled to inclusion under subsection 11(1) of the Employment Insurance Regulations, which states that if a full-time employee’s weekly hours of work are restricted to less than 35 hours because of a federal or provincial statute, they are deemed to be employed for 35 hours per week.
However, because no federal or provincial statute applies, flight attendants are insured only for the hours actually worked and remunerated.
What this means to your claim for Employment Insurance benefits:
HRDC does not intend to reconsider retroactively the insured hours of work for flight attendants submitted when applying for EI benefits, even if a claim is still active. However, future claims will be based on actual hours worked and remunerated and you will need to meet the minimum number of hours of insurable employment for your home region in order to qualify for benefits.
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Martin Tamme
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kevin.snaden wrote:
Am I allowed to post the pay info I got?
Not a dumb qustion.
However, asking that question on a public forum like this makes it a dumb question.
Yes Kevin, you can post any company info on this site. Do not forget to include your employee number and password. Web links help too.
Am I allowed to post the pay info I got?
Not a dumb qustion.
However, asking that question on a public forum like this makes it a dumb question.
Yes Kevin, you can post any company info on this site. Do not forget to include your employee number and password. Web links help too.
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Jaques Strappe
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Martin Tamme wrote: Why this has changed:
............... Transport Canada has confirmed that only the pilot and navigators are considered flight crew and have such restrictions (according to Civil Aviation Regulations 700-14 through 700-23).........................
On a different note, shouldn't that statement put an end to the argument of pay equity between pilots and flight attendants?
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