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Liberal crap
TYPICAL 13.5 yrs in power not one navy ship built/ not one new transport
heavy airlift bought - disposed of heavy airlift chinooks /downsized the technical skill level and resources of the foreign affairs.
result when crisis arises blame the conservatives who are trying furiously to rebuild the armed forces into a credible forces. Able to move and go in a heartbeat . this takes time the result is and will sadly be lost canadain
lives .
thanks jean /paul for the 1bill boondoggles in 1)hrdc 2)gun registry 3)gomery
that alone would have bought the heavy lift aircraft to assist in getting civilians out in a more timely fashion
Yeah, it's going to take time. I suppose the Liberals think they could have it done by now On the news yesterday someone said to Harper "many people are blaming you for this because you didn't stand up to Israel". wtf is he going to do? Go over there and stop the Israeli army with his glare?
Remember a couple years back when Jean Cretin went over to the middle east and spouted off all sorts of idiocy? What a national embarrassment that was.
It is rather mind boggling how people complain about these things. You don't register with the embassey, travel to a known world hot spot than bitch and cry when you're on the other side of the world and want to leave. I understand the stress that these people must be under but lets get serious for a second, WHAT THE HELL DO YOU EXPECT!?!? Roads are bombed out, ports severly damaged and airport runways cratered. What do they want this country's govornment to do, cross it's arms and blink magically bringing back 50 thousand people!?!?!?
This is a great quote from former General Lewis Mackenzie:
"There's been a lot of criticism, and you have to understand the concern of the people that are there and the relatives who have people there, but nevertheless, there's a small thing called the Atlantic Ocean between us and the Mediterranean," he told CTV.
"France, Italy and the United Kingdom, with fleets in the Mediterranean, they are a lot closer than we are. So kudos to the government if they're able to bring this off."
Under the circumstances I think the Gov't is doing a pretty good job.
There are up to 50,000 Lebanese Canadians in Lebanon at the present. I wonder how you're supposed to get them out overnight?
Last night on the National, Mansbridge interviewed Peter McKay. Mansbridge kept harping that the French, the Americans and the Brits appeared to be doing a better job at evacuating their nationals than we were, as a matter of fact he repeated the question three times. Finally McKay reminded him thet the French have a Mediterranean coastline, with a large naval presence. The Brits have a base at Gib, two days steaming from Lebanon, and the Americans have the Sixth Fleet. We, on the other hand, are 9000 miles away.
Nobody has said that Harper is at fault because he didn't "stand up" to Israel. It was that he called Israel's response "measured", which is anything but.
I think measured is a relative term for instance, if you were just seeking out vengance on people I suppose that anything less than killing every last one of them is measured. Contrary to that if you just want to bomb one location and you send a B-29 to drop 20,000 lb of bombs then its not measured.
I would think that what Israel is doing is in the middle, unfortunatly innocent people are dying because they are too close to the targets. The only thing Israel can do to minimize casualties more than they have is send in troops and physically move the people away from the terrorists, then blow the area to shit.
I am sure that no one would think that is a good idea, and if you do you are obviously as smart as a sack of shit.
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niss wrote:I think measured is a relative term for instance, if you were just seeking out vengance on people I suppose that anything less than killing every last one of them is measured. Contrary to that if you just want to bomb one location and you send a B-29 to drop 20,000 ** of bombs then its not measured.
I would think that what Israel is doing is in the middle, unfortunatly innocent people are dying because they are too close to the targets. The only thing Israel can do to minimize casualties more than they have is send in troops and physically move the people away from the terrorists, then blow the area to shit.
I am sure that no one would think that is a good idea, and if you do you are obviously as smart as a sack of shit.
So why hasn't the IDF sent in its brave soldiers to root out the hezballa soldiers?
Sounds to me springbok would fit right in the idf. Niss, howcome you haven't gone over and gave your fella citizens a hand?
niss wrote:Bob you have to be smart enough to figure out that they can do a great job from the air while minimizing their losses on a ground.
You call that great?
I call it cowardice.
Instead of fighting hezballa soldiers, and going in and taking them out one by one, they are bombing the shit out the country and its civilians from the air.
Bob, I am sure that you care very little about civilians in general, you are just picking a certain few. The fact is that Israel is playing defence, and truth be told, I am sure there are many who will back me up, a dead lebanese civilian is better than a dead Israeli soldier.
There I said it, does that make me a monster no....that makes me realistic. Israel does not have the responsiblity of protecting lebanese civilians, they have the responsibility of not intentially killing them, and trying not to kill them but they do not have the responsibility to protect them.
Israel is resonsible to protect her soldiers and her citizens. Thats it......no more no less..
And trust me if I am sure if this country came under attack you would rather see a hundred dead civilians on the other side than have someone mourn you.
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Ironic isn't it. How many lebanese terrorists have deliberatly killed civillians in the past, yet the cry foul when a few of their own die accidentaly when those same bomb huggers entrench themselves in civillian areas. There was a guy on the news crying "boohoo what did I do" well sir you allowed murderers to live next door to you. Christ if your a rapist and your set free in this country people fight like mad to keep you out of their neighborhood.
niss wrote:a dead lebanese civilian is better than a dead Israeli soldier.
Being that niss has stated he is Israeli by birthright, from an Israeli perspective I would totally agree with that statement regardless of any spin BS tries to put on it.
Hezbollah is a terrorist civilian group who now has very strong infiltration to the Lebanese government.
If you operate within the general public as a terrorist, you will cause the loss of "innocent" lives. The bleeding hearts is what Hezbollah holds as their trump card. They are convinced the remainder of the free world will intervene to control the Israeli attacks. Guess what assholes...you held the wrong card. The free world will not support or tolerate terror based organizations. The "civilian" deaths in Lebanon are an acceptable consequence in the war on terror. If they were not, there would be pressure on Israel to back off.
If you support or enable terrorism, you are a terrorist and you should be smited from the face of the earth as you are nothing but the scourge of humanity.
teacher wrote:It is rather mind boggling how people complain about these things. You don't register with the embassey, travel to a known world hot spot than bitch and cry when you're on the other side of the world and want to leave.
THANK YOU!! I understand that these are Canadian citizens and looking to their country for help, and I'm not saying that our government shouldn't help, but the only thing anyone should be saying to Ottawa and all Canadian taxpayers is a hell of a big "thank you"!! Who cares how long the evac takes?? Anyone in Lebanon got there himself and is responsible for himself. If I go on a cruise and fall in the water I'm not going to start moaning that Harper hasn't thrown me a lifesaver quickly enough... and if he finally does, all I'm going to say is: "thanks!!"
I can certainly understand the anxiety and fear and concern for loved ones and for oneself... but quit the complaining!! If you leave Canada, then Canada owes you nothing!! Would it be better that Canada did NOTHING? I wouldn't fault the gov't for it!! Be thankful for the help that IS being given!
The mentality our society has developed whereby no one is responsible for himself or his own actions, and everything is always someone else's fault and someone else's job to mop up is quite frankly disgusting.
teacher wrote:It is rather mind boggling how people complain about these things. You don't register with the embassey, travel to a known world hot spot than bitch and cry when you're on the other side of the world and want to leave.
THANK YOU!! I understand that these are Canadian citizens and looking to their country for help, and I'm not saying that our government shouldn't help, but the only thing anyone should be saying to Ottawa and all Canadian taxpayers is a hell of a big "thank you"!! Who cares how long the evac takes?? Anyone in Lebanon got there himself and is responsible for himself. If I go on a cruise and fall in the water I'm not going to start moaning that Harper hasn't thrown me a lifesaver quickly enough... and if he finally does, all I'm going to say is: "thanks!!"
I can certainly understand the anxiety and fear and concern for loved ones and for oneself... but quit the complaining!! If you leave Canada, then Canada owes you nothing!! Would it be better that Canada did NOTHING? I wouldn't fault the gov't for it!! Be thankful for the help that IS being given!
The mentality our society has developed whereby no one is responsible for himself or his own actions, and everything is always someone else's fault and someone else's job to mop up is quite frankly disgusting.
On the news yesterday someone said to Harper "many people are blaming you for this because you didn't stand up to Israel". wtf is he going to do? Go over there and stop the Israeli army with his glare?
