After the Exams

gr8_2_av8 · Post by **gr8_2_av8** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:40 am

After the ATPL exams are written how long do you have to get the licence signed off? Is it one or two years?

magellan · Post by **magellan** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:47 am

You've got two years to git'er done!

gr8_2_av8 · Post by **gr8_2_av8** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:58 am

I understand that f/o time only counts 50% but does that go for dual time as well?

Aeros · Post by **Aeros** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:06 am

gr8_2_av8 wrote:I understand that f/o time only counts 50% but does that go for dual time as well?

Dual counts 1:1. F/O time counts at 50%.

-- Ducks as the can of worms gets opened once again.

Spokes · Post by **Spokes** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:56 pm

Some yes some no.

3.7.3 In-flight Instruction (Dual): Licensed Pilots

(a) The holder of a valid commercial or airline transport pilot licence may give in-flight instruction for familiarization, refresher and instrument flight training, provided the pilot receiving the instruction holds a valid pilot licence endorsed for the type or class of aircraft in the same category as the aircraft used, and the person providing the instrument flight training meets the requirements specified in CAR 425.21(7). This authority does not permit category conversion training, e.g. aeroplane to helicopter, gyroplane to aeroplane, etc.

(b) The flight time acquired under (a) may be credited to the pilot-in-command as pilot-in-command time, and as dual flight time to the pilot receiving the training.

(c) Not more than 3 hr of familiarization flight time acquired for any type or class of aircraft may be credited towards the flight time requirements for a higher type of licence.

This is all in AIM 3.7 Crediting of timee.

Swamp Donkey · Post by **Swamp Donkey** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:35 pm

magellan wrote:You've got two years to git'er done!

Unless you are using the ATPL exams to sit in the right seat of a two crew A/C, in which case you have as long as it takes...the exams don't expire.

bobcat18 · Post by **bobcat18** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:44 pm

Sight your source

Aeros · Post by **Aeros** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:39 pm

Swamp Donkey wrote:
magellan wrote:You've got two years to git'er done!
Unless you are using the ATPL exams to sit in the right seat of a two crew A/C, in which case you have as long as it takes...the exams don't expire.

I am going to assume that Swamp Donkey was making reference to the case where someone wrote SAMRA and SARON in order to get a type rating in a two crew aircraft. If that was the case you have two years from writting the first of the two exams to get the two crew type rating and then the exams are good forever. That being said, you actially need to get a type rating -- sitting in the right seat of a BE-100 in a two crew operation isn't good enough.

CAR400.03

(1) Subject to subsection (3), tests, skill letters and examinations, including all sections of a sectionalized examination, that are required for the issuance of a permit or licence or for the endorsement of a permit or licence with a rating shall be completed during the 24-month period immediately preceding the date of the application for the permit, licence or rating.

(2) Subsection (1) does not apply in respect of examinations that are required for the issuance of

(a) a student pilot permit; or

(b) an airline transport pilot licence if examinations were previously written

(i) for the endorsement of a type rating, a mark of 70 per cent or higher was obtained on the examination and the type rating was issued; or

(ii) for the issuance of the former senior commercial pilot licence, a mark of 70 per cent or higher was obtained on the examination and the senior commercial pilot licence was issued.

Subsection 3 talks about the CARs exam for an AME Licence (which must be done a maximum of one year before applying for the licence).

Swamp Donkey · Post by **Swamp Donkey** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 10:44 pm

That's it....thanks Aeros!

Couldn't remember which section of the CARS it was in...but my info came from a Transport employee.

gr8_2_av8 · Post by **gr8_2_av8** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 10:07 pm

I was always under the impression that to sit f/o on an a/c requiring a type rating you had to hold the ATPL licence or have passed the IATRA. Didn't think that just having the ATPL written was the same as having written the IATRA.

Aeros · Post by **Aeros** » Sun Jul 23, 2006 5:17 am

gr8_2_av8 wrote:I was always under the impression that to sit f/o on an a/c requiring a type rating you had to hold the ATPL licence or have passed the IATRA. Didn't think that just having the ATPL written was the same as having written the IATRA.

There are two ways that you can meet the knowlege requirements to get a two-crew type rating and act as F/O:
1 -- write the IATRA; or
2 -- write both SAMRA and SARON.

This is the case since the IATRA is essentally a combination of the material that is covered by the two ATPL exams.

oldtimer · Post by **oldtimer** » Sun Jul 23, 2006 9:32 pm

I do believe that if you get a type rating (and PPC) on a large airplane, you can hold the ATPL marks "for further use". A type rating on a B100 will not do it, nor will a type rating on a Metro 11(12,500 MTOW) but a type rating on a Metro 111(14,500 MTOW) will. A type rating on any CARS 705 airplane is obvious.