A recipe for war with Iran?

Dex · Post by **Dex** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:46 am

Lets install British and American and possibly Canadian forces in Lebanon as peacekeepers; and to resist Hezbollah's regain of power. Of course we should wait until Israel kills around 1000 or more Lebanese civilians in their fight against Hezbollah to help further spice up the tensions towards the U.S.. Lets see, we need Hollywood to make several movies reminding the American public about the pain of 911 and what terrorism can do to countries that do not take pre-emptive action to stop these terrorist evil demons. We definitely need a 911 movie before the Congressional elections to help repulicans keep Congress; an essential spice for sure. Lets not forget to add political rhetoric that we are currently fighting WWIII with the Islamic terrorists and their sleeper cells. Add some real evidence (this time) about the Iranian and Hezbollah connections. And finally we need heat, from Iranian made missiles blowing up a thousand or more peacekeepers. Mix well!!!

any other scenarios or anything to add to this recipe?

Apollo · Post by **Apollo** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:25 pm

I was watching a CNN interview of Simon Peres... and he said the whole purpose of the mission was to "destabilize Iran"

bmc · Post by **bmc** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:29 pm

America is currently at war with Iran. They are both conveniently using surrogates.

cougr41 · Post by **cougr41** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:45 pm

War is already pre-determined.

Iranian Prez has called for the total destruction of Isreal and it's people.

He has stated will not be afraid to use nukes.

If you were an Isreali - what would you do?

Inverted2 · Post by **Inverted2** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:53 pm

cougr41 wrote:War is already pre-determined.

Iranian Prez has called for the total destruction of Isreal and it's people.

He has stated will not be afraid to use nukes.

If you were an Isreali - what would you do?

I'd put on my SPF 9000 sunscreen!!

niss · Post by **niss** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:59 pm

Dont forget Israel haves nukes as well, If Iran even thinks about it everyone in Iran is fucked.

Inverted2 · Post by **Inverted2** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:02 pm

Oh well, blow eachother up for all I care, get 'er done. I wouldn't lose any sleep over either country. :gib:

cougr41 · Post by **cougr41** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:23 pm

[quote="niss"]Dont forget Israel haves nukes as well, If Iran even thinks about it everyone in Iran is fucked.[/quote]

That is not the point.

Mutually assured destruction is not a deterent to a muslim.

The problem lies in what the remainder of the world will do.

If the U.S. attacks - they are world villians.

If Isreal attacks they are world villians.

United Nations is corrupt and cowardly - so no help there.

Europe is nearly the same - so not much help there.

No one will do anything and the Iranian prez knows this.

Someone - someday - in that part of the world WILL push the big red button - and we may very well ALL go up in a bright flash.

So the question remains - What to do about this?

hazatude · Post by **hazatude** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:31 pm

We need to be invaded by a millitant extra-terrestrial force to all come together.

Apollo · Post by **Apollo** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:03 pm

don't be retarded here. No-one is going to use nukes. They'll flaunt thier long hard missles around - but everybody knows that Iran doesn't HAVE nuclear weapons. They want them really really bad - but they stil havn't gotten all of the technology together to make one.

Plus, the repercussions to either israel or iran would be far too severe to seriously consider using atomics.

It's not like a dry ice bomb boys.

cougr41 · Post by **cougr41** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:21 pm

[quote="Apollo"]don't be retarded here. No-one is going to use nukes. They'll flaunt thier long hard missles around - but everybody knows that Iran doesn't HAVE nuclear weapons. They want them really really bad - but they stil havn't gotten all of the technology together to make one.

Plus, the repercussions to either israel or iran would be far too severe to seriously consider using atomics.

It's not like a dry ice bomb boys.[/quote]

Agreed - at least for the present. That will change - and very likely within your lifetime and mine. Then what?

When and if you have lived there and I do not mean Isreal - you might change your opinion on what is possible.

We tend to judge things in the world by what we have lived and been brought up with.

As do they.

Life is ..... different there - and it is also oh so very cheap. Very cheap indeed.

I wish I was as confident as you. And I would like to think you are correct in your assumptions - unfortunately I do not.

I am not attacking you, but I believe you are looking at life in a manner far different from the reality of life as it exists in some of the more radical countries in the middle east.

Dust Devil · Post by **Dust Devil** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:46 pm

Inverted2 wrote: get 'er done.

you didn't really say that did you??

Bubbaganoosh · Post by **Bubbaganoosh** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:03 pm

Dex wrote:Lets install British and American and possibly Canadian forces in Lebanon as peacekeepers; and to resist Hezbollah's regain of power. Of course we should wait until Israel kills around 1000 or more Lebanese civilians in their fight against Hezbollah to help further spice up the tensions towards the U.S.. Lets see, we need Hollywood to make several movies reminding the American public about the pain of 911 and what terrorism can do to countries that do not take pre-emptive action to stop these terrorist evil demons. We definitely need a 911 movie before the Congressional elections to help repulicans keep Congress; an essential spice for sure. Lets not forget to add political rhetoric that we are currently fighting WWIII with the Islamic terrorists and their sleeper cells. Add some real evidence (this time) about the Iranian and Hezbollah connections. And finally we need heat, from Iranian made missiles blowing up a thousand or more peacekeepers. Mix well!!!

any other scenarios or anything to add to this recipe?

Yeah, dont forget, throw in some Rice a Rhummey and some nice aged cheney cheese for good measure, stir thoroughly and add some salt and enriched bush, spice liberally with whack jobs and stand back, way, way back.

. ._ · Post by **. ._** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:10 am

Will radioactive gasoline make my Paseo go faster? I know it works for DeLoreans.

Apollo · Post by **Apollo** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:12 am

cougr41 wrote:
Apollo wrote:don't be retarded here. No-one is going to use nukes. They'll flaunt thier long hard missles around - but everybody knows that Iran doesn't HAVE nuclear weapons. They want them really really bad - but they stil havn't gotten all of the technology together to make one.

Plus, the repercussions to either israel or iran would be far too severe to seriously consider using atomics.

It's not like a dry ice bomb boys.

Agreed - at least for the present. That will change - and very likely within your lifetime and mine. Then what?

When and if you have lived there and I do not mean Isreal - you might change your opinion on what is possible.

We tend to judge things in the world by what we have lived and been brought up with.

As do they.

Life is ..... different there - and it is also oh so very cheap. Very cheap indeed.

I wish I was as confident as you. And I would like to think you are correct in your assumptions - unfortunately I do not.

I am not attacking you, but I believe you are looking at life in a manner far different from the reality of life as it exists in some of the more radical countries in the middle east.

I have lived in the middle east - and as low of an opinion as you seem to have for your brothers out there, they are as much human as you and I.

sprucegoose · Post by **sprucegoose** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 11:45 am

"The very word 'war', therefore, has become misleading. It would probably be accurate to say that by becoming continuous war has ceased to exist. ... War is Peace."

George Orwell, 1984

Apollo · Post by **Apollo** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 11:53 am

damn doublethink.

Walker · Post by **Walker** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:15 pm

Solution:

Let China deal with it…….. Im sure they could spare 50 million troops no problem.

cougr41 · Post by **cougr41** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 5:47 am

[quote="Apollo"][quote="cougr41"][quote="Apollo"]don't be retarded here. No-one is going to use nukes. They'll flaunt thier long hard missles around - but everybody knows that Iran doesn't HAVE nuclear weapons. They want them really really bad - but they stil havn't gotten all of the technology together to make one.

Plus, the repercussions to either israel or iran would be far too severe to seriously consider using atomics.

It's not like a dry ice bomb boys.[/quote]

Agreed - at least for the present. That will change - and very likely within your lifetime and mine. Then what?

When and if you have lived there and I do not mean Isreal - you might change your opinion on what is possible.

We tend to judge things in the world by what we have lived and been brought up with.

As do they.

Life is ..... different there - and it is also oh so very cheap. Very cheap indeed.

I wish I was as confident as you. And I would like to think you are correct in your assumptions - unfortunately I do not.

I am not attacking you, but I believe you are looking at life in a manner far different from the reality of life as it exists in some of the more radical countries in the middle east.[/quote]

I have lived in the middle east - and as low of an opinion as you seem to have for your brothers out there, they are as much human as you and I.[/quote]

We obviously lived in different areas.

They are human.

They are not my brothers.

Icebound · Post by **Icebound** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 8:00 am

cougr41 wrote: We obviously lived in different areas.

They are human.

They are not my brothers.

Ignoring, for the moment, the semantics of what "brother" really means... ....I would submit that they are, in a very real sense, your neighbours, if not your brothers.

In the short term, you are (or will be) supplying your own money to help pay for their food, medication, policing, defense (as will nearly every industrialized nation on the planet) In the longer term you will be rebuilding their infrastructures and making high-risk loans for their economies.

You want to make efficient use of your money. So the point is not so much what Israel or Iran or Hezbollah is going to do. The point is what should WE be doing to prevent a huge runup in useless cost... in lives and money... not just for us, but for them and for the rest of the world???

...

JakeYYZ · Post by **JakeYYZ** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 8:03 am

Pass me a clue-by-four.
Now a state openly committed to the annihilation of a neighbouring nation, headed by a Holocaust-denying millenarian nut job, has an ambition for nukes, and we shrug: Can't be helped. Just the way things are. And when Iran's head of state happens to threaten to wipe Israel off the map, we should understand that this is a rhetorical stylistic device that's part of the Persian oral narrative tradition, and it would be a gross misinterpretation to take it literally.
So the question is: Will/would they do it? The minute you have to ask, you know the answer. There are no good and bad options, only bad and much much worse. I think the parking lot option IS on the table…..

Apollo · Post by **Apollo** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 8:27 am

It is unnessicary to ask if they would do it - because the answer is, and will be (unless the situation changes dramatically), a loud resounding NO.

niss · Post by **niss** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 11:49 am

Dont kid yourself, no one in the middle east has ever talked about destroying Israel as a stunt to get more votes, no one there has spouted that kind of rhetoric with out meaning it. I am curious and terrified to think about what would happen to Israel should Iran gain nuclear weapons......I figure it would go something like this......

Iran launches nuke against Israel,

Many Israelis die..........

Israel launches counter nuclear strike.......and ensure that nothing in Iran lives........

I wonder what the world opinion of Israel would be then? Poor Iran, were massacred by the evil zionist regime....

Apollo · Post by **Apollo** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:11 pm

Niss - you are far, FAR too simple minded. If Iran ever gains nuclear capability (which they are quite a ways from), and attacks Israel - it is not only Israel's retaliation that they would have to worry about. Plus - if they did a half-assed job - there wouldn't BE an Israel to retaliate.

The decision to use nuclear weapons is not one to be taken lightly - and no matter how much Israel is hated, it is not going to make the decision any easier.

The world doesn't revolve around your little country. If atomics were used by Iran on Israel, I'd forsee the reaction like so:

USA immediatly steps upto DEFCON 2 or 1, depending on how thier procedures have changed in the last decade or so due to the unexpected use of atomics.

With the US mobilizing for war, the other nuclear superpowers would mobilize thier weapons 'just in case.' Nobody wants to be caught with thier pants down in a nuclear exchange - to do so is certain death.

As the details of the attack come in, US will probably launch a retalitory strike on Iran, possibly with nuclear weapons to aide thier ally (well, israel isn't that good of an ally, but the lobby is too strong to fight). Most likely this would occur within hours of Iran's initial strike. Israel would still be in too much disarray to launch any significant retaliation - especially with nuclear weapons.

Israel is such a small country, as I mentioned before - it's nuclear capability (only approximatly 200 or so warheads) would probably be targetted in Iran's initial attack and ultimatly distroyed.

If this conflict goes nuclear (which it won't, you have my guarentee) it will no longer be a conflict just between Israel and Iran - it would be a world-wide conflict, probably bringing us down into another massive war.

niss · Post by **niss** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:34 pm

Do you honestly believe that a country who is always ready for war would lend herself to be incapable of retaliating after a nuclear strike?

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