Wage Poll

T.C. · Post by **T.C.** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 10:34 am

What does a CFI make at a large school 5+ Planes
Small school 5- Planes
What does a Class 1 Instructor make working for a large school but not CFI.

I posted this question before but cannot find it here anymore.

I'd Rather Be Flying · Fri Feb 27, 2004 10:56 am

Are you wondering because you're curious or for comparison to other jobs?

T.C. · Post by **T.C.** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 11:11 am

Yes. I'll start off then. CFI at a small school 1250.00/month 15/hr

dont_snag_it · Post by **dont_snag_it** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 11:21 am

1 at large school $28-$30

T.C. · Post by **T.C.** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 11:23 am

Is that with a base? And for CFI position?

I'd Rather Be Flying · Fri Feb 27, 2004 12:58 pm

CFI at small school. $35 per flight hour + $750 base. Lots of flying though...and I'm only a Class III. Then I have separate pay for groundschool, bonuses, rentals, etc.

I'd say this is above average for this type of position. I also fly operationally outside of the instructing.

co-joe · Post by **co-joe** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 2:22 pm

Iv'e always wondered who the heck these instructors are in the annual Wings salary survey who average 50K??? In my experience a class IV makes $15/h, a III about 16, a II about 17, and a I about 19-20. A CFI should get a base of around 1000K/mo plus $20+/h for flights since they do less flying and more office type work. cj

Right Seat Captain · Post by **Right Seat Captain** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 3:55 pm

In my experience, the CFI's that make $50K+ are those who are functionaing as Ops Manager as well. The pay for the combo job is usually quite decent. I wouldn't go as far as to say what I think my CFI/Ops Manager makes, since it's his own business to announce it, but I know he lives quite happy.

T.C. · Post by **T.C.** » Sat Feb 28, 2004 9:14 am

CJ

I agree the Wings mag is way out to lunch with their wages poll. However, at a busy school Class 2's and 1's make more than, no base and $20.00/hr. I'm talking about a major school which offers degrees or diplomas.

Right Seat Captain · Post by **Right Seat Captain** » Sat Feb 28, 2004 9:12 pm

There are smaller schools, ie no diploma or degree, with less than 10 aircraft that give class 1,2 and 3s base par and greater than $20/hour.

I'd Rather Be Flying · Sun Feb 29, 2004 9:16 am

RSC:

Yes, there are other places that provide above average pay. And where I work is a perfect example of that. Although I do have a two year post-secondary education.

Not that it has helped me land a job. Just knowing the right people and being in the right place at the right time. Of course, having some skill helps too.

CAL · Post by **CAL** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 11:41 pm

I make 12 per hour and have been told that if I want to get on as a back up FO on our twin as we do the odd charter that I will have to pay for my PCC training, or they will just find someone else....guess this makes it easy to just not come to work anymore when its time to go.

ahramin · Post by **ahramin** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 11:48 pm

Good for you. Sticking it to the man starts right here. If they don't care who flies their airplanes, they can pay the insurance rates when one of them gets rolled into a ball.

ahramin

just another pilot · Post by **just another pilot** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 7:50 am

Gotta love those companys that ask their current employees to pay for training.

I'd Rather Be Flying · Mon Mar 01, 2004 9:23 am

I know the PPC/PCC subject has been beaten to death on AvCanada but there are jobs out there where you don't pay for that training...and in this humble pilots opinion THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD BE!!!

We've already spent enough coin to get this far and if the company thinks of you as a valuable employee, they should be willing to pay for the training. I'll tell you now that I won't pay for it and thankfully my current job will provide the training at no cost to me because they respect the work I do. I also realize this is a deeper matter than just respect....BUT....

It works both ways...there has to be some mutual level of trust between employee and employer (that you won't leave as soon as they've trained you).

I'm sure this is not the end of this subject....

Right Seat Captain · Post by **Right Seat Captain** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 2:59 pm

I'm not sure how PPCs and PCCs came up here, but at least we're lucky enough not to need PPCs and PCCs as instructors! Although we do need to pay for our training, and our renewals...which is pretty standard at most flight schools.

Aeros · Post by **Aeros** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 9:56 pm

Stats for my (large) school:

CFI -- $1000 / month base

Class 1 -- $22.50 / hour (flying, briefing or ground school)

Snagmaster E · Post by **Snagmaster E** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 10:49 pm

Well for my CFI..

600 bi-weekly and $20 an hour pgi, ground school, and flying.

myself...

200 bi-weekly and $20 an hour. Rent included along with heat, water, light, phone, computer...

but I'm also the company safety officer, and general airport maintenance, fueling, and light snow removal.

T.C. · Post by **T.C.** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 1:34 pm

Anyone else care to share?

Ralliart · Post by **Ralliart** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 6:18 pm

I've found there is no real 'standard' for base pay or hourly pay. It depends on a few factors not limited to the company, location, financial security of the employer, and/or how much they value you as an employee. I don't think the class of instructor changes the base pay rate very much, only the hourly rate. I've seen base pay ranging from $0/month, up to around $2200-$2400/month for small school CFI........and then there is hourly flying on top of that ranging from $15 for a 3, upwards of $25 for a 2 or 1. All depends on location and employer and what they can afford/want to pay you for your services, and to keep you happy (and therefor a part of the company for a good period of time)