Nuke Iran

[Pie Lot]

This column was in yesterdays Winnipeg Sun. Might seem a little bit extreme at first; but once you read it, it also has a startling amount of truth to it. I epect to get flamed for posting this. But before you do; read it and think before you post.


Michael Coren
Sat, September 2, 2006

We should nuke Iran

By MICHAEL COREN



It is surely obvious now to anybody with even a basic understanding of history, politics and the nature of fascism that something revolutionary has to be done within months -- if not weeks -- if we are to preserve world peace.

Put boldly and simply, we have to drop a nuclear bomb on Iran.

Not, of course, the unleashing of full-scale thermo-nuclear war on the Persian people, but a limited and tactical use of nuclear weapons to destroy Iran's military facilities and its potential nuclear arsenal. It is, sadly, the only response that this repugnant and acutely dangerous political entity will understand.

The tragedy is that innocent people will die. But not many. Iran's missiles and rockets of mass destruction are guarded and maintained by men with the highest of security clearance and thus supportive of the Tehran regime. They are dedicated to war and, thus, will die in war.

Frankly, it would be churlish of the civilized world to deny martyrdom to those who seem so intent on its pursuance. Most important, a limited nuclear attack on Iran will save thousands if not millions of lives.

The spasm of reaction from many will be that this is barbaric and unacceptable. Yet a better response would be to ask if there is any sensible alternative. Diplomacy, kindness and compromise have failed and the Iranian leadership is still obsessed with all-out war against anybody it considers an enemy.

Its motives are beyond question, its capability equally so. It is spending billions of dollars on a whole range of anti-ship, anti-aircraft and anti-personnel missiles, rockets and ballistic weapons:

The Shahab 3ER missile, with a range of more than 2,000 km, and the BM25 and accompanying launchers, which are so powerful that they can hit targets in Europe. Raad missiles with a range of 350km. The Misaq anti-aircraft missile, which can be fired from the shoulder. The Fajar 3 radar-evading missile and the Ajdar underwater missile, which travels at an extraordinarily high speed and is almost impossible to intercept. The Zaltal and the Fatah 110 rocket, the .. B and .. C and the BM25 with a range of 3,500 kms.

Iran is also developing enormous propellant ballistic missiles and began a space program almost a decade ago that will enable it to bomb the United States. It is also assumed in intelligence circles that Tehran has Russian Kh55 cruise missiles stolen from Ukraine which are now being copied in large numbers by Iranian scientists.

Comparisons to the Nazis in the 1930s are unfair -- to the Nazis. Hitler had the French army, the largest in Europe, on his border and millions of Soviet infantry just a few hours march away. Iran has no aggressive enemies in the region.

Its fanatical leader, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, controls a brutal police state, finances international terror and provokes bloody wars in foreign countries. It is unimaginably wealthy because of its oil revenues and is committed, in its leader's words, to "rolling back 300 years of Western ascendancy" and wiping another nation, Israel, from the face of the earth.

A conventional attack would be insufficient because Iran and its allies seem only to listen to power and threat. Better limited pain now than universal suffering in five years.

The usual suspects will complain. The post-Christian churches, the Marxists, the fellow travelers and fifth columnists. But then, the same sort of people moaned and condemned in 1938. They were clearly wrong then. They would be just as wrong now.

[. ._]

I say we stomp 'em!

Then we tattoo 'em!

Then we hang 'em!

And then we nuke 'em!

-istp

[bartbandy]

I am not sure which is more frightening, the fact this was even written, or the fact that you actually think that what this moron has to say is right.
Iran is 8 years away from having nukes. So what is the rush? Oh right, war, oil, and big money for Bush and his buddies with all of their contracts.

I'd call you an idiot for believing this shit, but that would just be mean.

So I'll call the author of the piece one instead. But then again, he has always been a moron.

[costermonger]

Heh.. Michael Coren, always good for a laugh.

[Pie Lot]

I didn't say that I agreed with it. Just that the article has some truth to it and gives you something to think about.

Are you saying then we should just leave them alone for 8 years until they have operational nukes? Then what?

Also if you think it through, I do realize that we cant just nuke the bastards either. I don't think for a minute that China and Russia would stand by and allow Iran to be nuked without some retaliation on their parts. It would probably be the start of WW3. Plus China and Russia need the oil as bad if not worse than we do. We are not the only evil oil seekers in the world that allow it to dictate our foreign policy you know. Just too bad we couldn't get away with it, and nuke North Korea while we were at it!

I don't think it will be up to us anyway. I'm 99% sure that if this keeps up with Iran, Israel will go for a night flight over the border just like they did with Iraq in the late 80's. There is no way Israel will not pre-emptive strike, and I say good for them.

[Pie Lot]

Oh, and Bart Bandy:

If the rest of the country is like you (I've read your other political posts, you must be Jack Laytons brother), we should probably all study up and learn Farsi and Korean. At least we could say that we just took the high road and "were traditional peacekeepers" instead of warmongers. Too bad our country and the rest of the free world was taken over by Islamic extremists, but we at least preserved our traditional values before being conqured.

[mellow_pilot]

Iran burried their nuclear program underground to prevent Israel from destroying it from the air. So no luck there, it's going to tak a ground invasion to be sure you got it all.

The world is fracked.

[bartbandy]

I really think that another name would fit this sentence much better.

Its fanatical leader, George W. Bush, controls a brutal police state, finances international terror and provokes bloody wars in foreign countries.

And I am against terrorists. The REAL ones.

[Pie Lot]

So am I Bart:

The ones that committed the September 11th crimes against humanity, the Indonesia Bombings, The London Subway Bombings, The Russian schoolchildren massacre etc. and the list goes on. Those are the real terrorists period.

[Walker]

If this is the mentality of the day, I think I’m just going to move to Tibet and live the life of a monk in the mountains, growing vegetables and meditating. Why bother pulling us back from the edge? If we are so intent on following our genetic predisposition for conflict then I question if the species is even worth saving. Maybe the rest of us should just sit back and let the species drive itself into extinction before we develop faster than light travel and start messing around with other planets.

Just something to consider…

[Walker]

So am I Bart:

The ones that committed the September 11th crimes against humanity, the Indonesia Bombings, The London Subway Bombings, The Russian schoolchildren massacre etc. and the list goes on. Those are the real terrorists period.

Not to be too much of a burr in your side Pie Lot, but “western culture” has killed far more souls and cause far more pain and suffering than all the Arab states combined… We are in no way innocent, that little girl walking down the street with her parents may not be personally responsible for what is going on in the world but she is living a life subsidized on the blood of a great many souls. Those subsidies have been enforced by the mechanisms of foreign policy over that past thousands of years. Weather right or wrong I think most would be hard pressed to argue that this is not a fact. To simply assume that things are happening in the world because extremists “hate freedom” is in my mind a very foolish thing to believe. There is a reason for everything that happens in this world, not to say that I feel killing people is in any way justified, but if one is going to bad mouth a group for what it has done then I think it is quite hypocritical to assume we are all dressed in white with little glowy things on our heads.

Please if anyone things I am in any way misled or wrong by this I would like very much to discuss it.

[Pie Lot]

I'm not saying we are innocent or angels at all. But show me a country anywhere in the world that was not founded on blood. There aren't any. It's just that history is always told by the winners so we don't like to advertise our own shortcomings.


However, our way of life is a lot better than the oppressive totalitarian regiemes. You cant says the Taliban would be better to rule the world than the Republicans under Bush. No way. None of us would live in that type of regime, and we would fight if it was happening in our own back yard. We're basically a selfish people. We would like to pull out of Afghanistan and negotiate with the Taliban because we dont like to see our own being killed. Pretty selfish. The US turned their backs on the Jews due to public opinion in 1938 and didn't join WW2 until Pearl Harbour. Pretty selfish. Might have prevented a few million holocaust deaths if we hadn't been selfish and had done what was right instead of what was popular back in 1938. I feel that now is the same thing. We're just not waiting for genocide, and a nuclear strike by Iran or N. Korea this time before we act.

[hazatude]

NUKE CALEDONIA

[...]

NUKE CALEDONIA

F that...I say nuke Toronto Island.

[Pie Lot]

Aww Haza...I've got friends there (all on the police force mind you). But that's ok..we're still Insta Friends from last week. lol.

[hazatude]

On second thought...my smokes would be incinerated

[Vickers vanguard]

I feel that now is the same thing. We're just not waiting for genocide.......

Did anybody do anything when almost 2 millions helpless people were slaughtered in Rwanda ?...oh yeh, they were just a bunch of black African people after all.....who cares ? most of them were even christians....... not that it should be a criteria to intervene, but just making a note here.

[Pie Lot]

They would have to nuke Big Trout Lake for me to lose out on my cheap smoke connection.lol! Don't think YTL is on anyones list of places to nuke, but hey you nevet know.

[Pie Lot]

Hey Vickers:

You're right. Can't argue. Problem is we can't be everywhere and some other "decent" countries should be willing to come forward too. But in Rwanda's case they weren't threating to nuke us Westerners, wipe another country off the globe etc. Just makes Iran and N. Kora more pressing that's all. But you're right, somebody should have stepped up to the plate in Rwanda too.

[Driving Rain]

Aww Haza...I've got friends there (all on the police force mind you). But that's ok..we're still Insta Friends from last week. lol.

By MICHAEL COREN
The tragedy is that innocent people will die. But not many.

[scaredpax]

Ahh, so it this anything like the "grave threat" from Iraq's imaginary WMDs? That cost 10,000's of lives but we GOT THE OIL!

Anyone remember that lil old thing called mutually assured destruction back in the 60s? As if a 2nd or 3rd world country would stand a chance against a 1st world military. Poor defenceless us eh.

Who is so vain to think that "they" think about us as they live their daily lives? As if we really think of them. So how can "they" hate our freedoms from 5000km away? Because we come in and oppress THEM! That's why they hate us.

North American was taken over from the natives as we will soon take over the middle east from the natives. The reward is resources.

History always repeats. Our history books say we are the brave liberators fighting against barbarians....but so often it is brave resisters fighting off the barbaric attackers from their land.

Did ya hear how israel bombed the power plant for Gaza a while ago cutting off power for up to 1 million? Did ya notice there are NO suicide bombs going off in israel? Is this a conincidence that Palestine recently democractically elected a government (because it is a not a US puppet it must be a "terrorist" goverment)? And it helped bring a bit of stability to the region?

[mellow_pilot]

As if a 2nd or 3rd world country would stand a chance against a 1st world military.

Is this a conincidence that Palestine recently democractically elected a government (because it is a not a US puppet it must be a "terrorist" goverment)? And it helped bring a bit of stability to the region?

2and world is the USSR. See back in the late forties/early fifties, when the 2 major world powers started to divide up the planet, people began to refer to the global political situation in terms of 'spheres of influence'. The 1st world was under the influence of the 'west'. 'Free', capitalist and democratic. The 2and world was the Soviet influenced countries. Communist and xenophobic. The 3rd world was everyone else. Generally the neutral countries, and those countries so under developed as to be a non-player on the world stage, and therefore not worth influencing.

Since that time '3rd world' has come to mean poor.

The new Palestinian goevernment's main reason for existance (the declared mission of Hamas) is to destroy the state of Israel and all her citizens. You're rightr they aren't American puppets, they are puppets of religious extremists, supported financially be Iran (who is also bent on the destruction of Israel). How does this bring stability? Infact it does the exact opposite.

A couple of your points are good and valid, but then you go off on wild statement that is contradictory and makes no sense. We're not going to set up shop and settle in the Middle East, 3rd world bombs are very deadly and we are defencless against someone who really wants to hurt us, there are pleny of explosions in Israel, you just don't see them on the news everyday.

You said it. History always repeats. I suggest you pay more attention to history, the present and logic.

[Vickers vanguard]

Ahh, so it this anything like the "grave threat" from Iraq's imaginary WMDs? That cost 10,000's of lives but we GOT THE OIL!

Anyone remember that lil old thing called mutually assured destruction back in the 60s? As if a 2nd or 3rd world country would stand a chance against a 1st world military. Poor defenceless us eh.

Who is so vain to think that "they" think about us as they live their daily lives? As if we really think of them. So how can "they" hate our freedoms from 5000km away? Because we come in and oppress THEM! That's why they hate us.

North American was taken over from the natives as we will soon take over the middle east from the natives. The reward is resources.

History always repeats. Our history books say we are the brave liberators fighting against barbarians....but so often it is brave resisters fighting off the barbaric attackers from their land.

Did ya hear how israel bombed the power plant for Gaza a while ago cutting off power for up to 1 million? Did ya notice there are NO suicide bombs going off in israel? Is this a conincidence that Palestine recently democractically elected a government (because it is a not a US puppet it must be a "terrorist" goverment)? And it helped bring a bit of stability to the region?

right on target sir .........very nice post ................and damn nnniiiiiiiiccccccccce avtar

[North Shore]

Reprinted by permission of the author at: http://tinyurl.com/nlmv6

Who would say that? What sort of twisted mind would argue the use of weapons of mass destruction and the contamination againt a people in such a nonchalant way? Only a neo-con and a fascist.
The big lie is well underway. The big lie is now being spread by the likes of imbeciles such as Michael Coren. He made that statement in one of the most grand examples of yellow journalism and lies by omissions I have personally come across in the Canadian press. The man is a liar contributing to the mission of the big lie in the best example of adherance to Goebbels we have been witness to in years.

His call to indiscriminate murder is as breathtaking as it is obscene and it is as obscene as it is packed with lies.

"It is surely obvious now to anybody with even a basic understanding of history, politics and the nature of fascism that something revolutionary has to be done within months -- if not weeks -- if we are to preserve world peace," Coren begins.

It is surely obvious that Coren has no such grasp of history or politics though he appears a willing tool of fascism. What world peace? Does he not read a newspaper?

"Put boldly and simply, we have to drop a nuclear bomb on Iran.

Not, of course, the unleashing of full-scale thermo-nuclear war on the Persian people, but a limited and tactical use of nuclear weapons to destroy Iran's military facilities and its potential nuclear arsenal. It is, sadly, the only response that this repugnant and acutely dangerous political entity will understand."

The "they only understand violence" response is most often the call of the racist and fascists most often respond postiviely to racism. The logic is that they do not respond to reason like we do and so and we must provide what they do respond to: violent force. We must make them submit.

The following is a beautiful example of turning the truth on its head: "Diplomacy, kindness and compromise have failed and the Iranian leadership is still obsessed with all-out war against anybody it considers an enemy. "

What diplomacy? What kindness? What compromise? Iran has violated no international law. It is has not violated the terms of the Nucler Non-proliferation Treaty (NPT). The Iranian leadership has attacked and invaded no neighbour. The Iranian leadership has provided no belligernece.

Contrast that with the USA to whom Mr. Coren would hold up as the nation morally and legally justified in using nuclear weapons against another state which has not employed violence against the United States. The US has completely abrogated its responsibilities under the NPT and any number of other international arms agreements to which it is a signatory. In fact, the United States no longer even plays lip service to international agreements.

The USA has declared Iran an enemy. The USA has been actively engaged in hostilities with Iran. The United States has stated clearly, "you are either with us or against us" in articulating a policy of pre-emptive war in what can only be described as an obsession "with all-out war against anybody it considers an enemy".

"Its motives are beyond question, its capability equally so. It is spending billions of dollars on a whole range of anti-ship, anti-aircraft and anti-personnel missiles, rockets and ballistic weapons ..."

Amazing. It is completely inconsequential to Coren that any spending by Iran on arms is neglible when compared to the US military budget. There is no comparison. And in the meantime, no nation, especially Iran, directly threatens the US while the US does directly threaten Iran. The hypocriosy of this lie by ommission is astounding.

"Comparisons to the Nazis in the 1930s are unfair -- to the Nazis. Hitler had the French army, the largest in Europe, on his border and millions of Soviet infantry just a few hours march away. Iran has no aggressive enemies in the region."

Putting aside Corens sympathies for the reputation of the Third Reich, is he for real? Are Toronto Sun readers really that stupid or is he just a really bad liar? Let's repeat his assertion just to ensure ourselves we fully understand the words of this bald faced lie: "Iran has no aggressive enemies in the region."

The United States with 145,000 troops in Iraq and thousands more in Afghanistan, with air bases in Turkey, and bases in the Caucasus, having declared Iran a member of the "Axis of Evil" and an enemy of the United States and with open rumninations of regime change is not an aggressive enemy in the region? Israel? Surely even Coren's flushed features must turn a bright red when he repeats that canard.

"The usual suspects will complain. The post-Christian churches, the Marxists, the fellow travelers and fifth columnists. But then, the same sort of people moaned and condemned in 1938. They were clearly wrong then. They would be just as wrong now."

The usual suspects complained when the Third Reich began its rise to power. They found themselves in death camps along side the Jews and Gypsies. It was people like Coren who worked for the regime or became Good Germans who allowed Fascism to flourish. He and his ilk will do so again.

We should have all become Jews then. Will we all become Muslim or Iranian now?

[Hedley]

One must wonder at what the lefties will say, when the muslims detonate an atomic device in a Canadian city. Will this be a good thing?