Air Canada Jazz

potsie · Post by **potsie** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:41 am

Hey all! Got a call from AC Jazz (M apprentice) and was just wondering if one gets branded from the aviation industry???

Don't want to go there and just do one thing and then potentially get laid off and not be able to get another job in the industry!!!

KKboy · Post by **KKboy** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 8:29 pm

Your joking right.
Jazz will teach you more than you could ever hope for in most of the rest of the Canadian industry.
Plus you have stuff like a 50% duty cycle, (5 on 5 off), flight benifits, factory training, I can't believe you think that the largest regional carrier in the country would be anything but good.
You are right about branding however, if you quit you get branded as stupit.

195psi · Post by **195psi** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 8:49 pm

Postie: your concerns are valid. There is branding but most companies can see in an interview if certain traits have been passed on. Usually the type of person you are will come through.
KKboy is wrong about Jazz teaching you more than anywhere else, it is better than mainline though.
The problem from a learning point of view is that each licensed trade AME M(Cat1), E (cat 38) and S ( cat 19 if I remeber in AC categories) stick very much to their own trade. You will not get a lot of crossover whereas a lot of other companies encourage learning other aspects. Usually a good M2 can handle a line base just fine without an Avionics guy if has learnt the basic Avionics skills. This will most likely not be taught at Jazz, at AC it is frowned upon and there were many grievances filled in m y time there..
There is a lot more to maintenance than AC,Jazz and WJ.
The other point with Jazz is at last look the pay was subpar to most companies for M2 guy's.
Good luck, have fun.
KKboy I think you may need a little experience under your belt before you make that type of comment.

KKboy · Post by **KKboy** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:35 pm

195 I am not so sure.
Jazz has experience to offer and where would you suggest an apprentice go for a better wage experience combination.
If you think an M2 can handle a line base then you have probably never worked the regional world lately. A 705 line base at Jazz will turn dozens of aircraft a day, troubleshooting constantly, and avionics is essential.
It is exactly this sort of experience and history that future employeers look for.

For an apprentice, this is about gaining experience and working with professionals in a busy network where you constantly use your skills, cross training is common and encouraged and the training assets are there. You just need to be keen enough to go do it.

As for my experience level I have been licenced since 1976 and did 10 years in the regionals, I certainly learned more in the regionals than I did in the oil patch working corporate or contracting.

In any case the question was should I or shouldn't I

janape · Post by **janape** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:44 pm

Any of you guys know what they pay M2 with no endorsment at Jazz
or know what the pay scale is like

Chemtech · Post by **Chemtech** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 6:46 am

Licenced no endorsment $19.94. Its a long crawl up to their max of $27

conehead · Post by **conehead** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:10 pm

Jazz Maintenance collective agreement;

http://www.caw2002tca.ca/collective-agr ... -06-09.pdf

janape · Post by **janape** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 8:15 pm

Thank you conehead and chemtech for the 411

ODDERGUY · Post by **ODDERGUY** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:36 am

Yup giver at Jazz Man!!!! Two years of changing brakes setting tire pressure doing service and routine inspections will definately get you and M2

Fox 3 · Post by **Fox 3** » Sun Aug 20, 2006 9:40 pm

ODD GUY

Where do you work? Have you ever worked for Jazz?

Just curious.

onthelook · Post by **onthelook** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:37 am

Well from what i seen my short time in the industry yet is that most the guys that peg people as havin to much air canada in them are the guys that never worked there.. i would say to each his own.. some may love workin in the bush by the seat of their pants on old machines gettin eaten by the blackflies and trying to keep up with the pilots with the drinks.. some may like workin at a very structured place like air canada where everyone has a place and position and the union keeps it that way... I got a call from them also this month and went for an interview.. who knows i may even get offered a job. and would i take it for sure..

davetrocks · Post by **davetrocks** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:11 pm

I WAS WONDERING DOES ANYBODY GOT AN IN AT JAZZ FOR A GUY WHO IS LOOKING FOR A JOB WITH THE REGIONALS?

ODDERGUY · Post by **ODDERGUY** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:46 pm

Fox 3 I've worked there, I've worked alot of places. Im usure of your question to me. I was mearly stating to a new and up and coming AME that mabe doing line Maint. is not the best way to an M2 license. I would give more of my opinions but that would just get slamed by a Broke Back Dirt Biker.

Fox 3 · Post by **Fox 3** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:14 pm

ODD GUY

How old are you?

just curious · Post by **just curious** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:09 am

ODDERGUY

You may not quite have understood when I told you slowly clearly and in one syllable words to watch both what you say and how you say it.

Try to pay attention next time.
JC

fokkerguy · Post by **fokkerguy** » Fri Aug 25, 2006 4:52 pm

Yeah come to jazz. make 10% less than the A pay scale people who are as equally qualified as you. Junior engineer on the B scale you'll get $ 19.94/hr in 7 years theyll give you $ 27.00/hr.
It is a great place to come and get some free endorsements though. My advice is to stay where the money is. That isn't jazz.

onthelook · Post by **onthelook** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:56 pm

Well i went to an interview the second week of august. but haven't heard anything back. still wondering if anyone else on the forums had been to an interview and or heard back... what is the word threw the grapevine to when they where gonna fill the positions they where interviewing for?? they did post the job on workopolis in mid may. anyone know if they did interviews b4 august?? or if they are still doing interviews. HR only says they not done and they will contact ya eighter way when a decision is made.

onthelook · Post by **onthelook** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:10 pm

checked workopolis and now the have a new posting for AME's dated the 24 of august..

fokkerguy · Post by **fokkerguy** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 11:36 pm

we were told that they were going to try to hire 127 maintenance asap. if they cant fill the positions they will consider removing the B pay scale. Do yourself and your profession a favor dont come for b scale wages. In the end do what you have to do. I believe the breakdown for hiring is yyz-20 guys,
yyc- 13 , and a boatload for the heavy bases in yhz and yxu

onthelook · Post by **onthelook** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:41 am

In first of august at the interview i was told they were interviewing for 4 positions... but who knows... but also they where gonna start doing heavy's on an other plane..

KISS_MY_TCAS · Post by **KISS_MY_TCAS** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 7:48 am

After looking over the collective agreement, all I can say is wow, the pay there sucks. And they pay union dues for wages like that?!?!

Air Canada Jazz

Air Canada Jazz

Jazz?

Nope

how does a M1&M2 engineer jet a job at JAZZ