Jack Layton and Afghanistan

tellyourkidstogetarealjob · Sun Sep 10, 2006 12:24 am

So Jack Layton wants to pull out of Afghanistan prematurely.

Would that make him Premature eJackuLayton?

Floats · Post by **Floats** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 5:30 am

Jack was a complete failure at City Council, Jack is complete failure as an MP. However, he has been able to maintain the NDP's status as a party of morons!!!!

Dust Devil · Post by **Dust Devil** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:31 am

One of the NDP delegates was on the news and said that the major failing with the NDP is it's foriegn policy. I think this is absolutly correct. I think if they could wrap their head around that they would be bigger players on the political stage. I have a feeling the Greens are going to be making some gains in the next election.

PITA · Post by **PITA** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:49 pm

I totally disagree with the NDP calling Canadaians WAR MONGERS. I don't know how they can say such a thing.

This Laytom guy is really out out it. He states he dosen't own a car so he is green but it was during his watch (and his wife) that the city of Toronto dicided to ship their garbage to Michigan.

Hey Jack deal with your own garbage.

Can't even deal with garbage and he wants to run the country.

gr8gazu · Post by **gr8gazu** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:43 pm

I watched about 10 minutes of the NDP love-in in Quebec today. Layton actually blamed the Liberals and Conservatives for the Pine Beetle invasion in the BC forests. He linked the beetles to a warming climate due to inadequate environmental controls imposed by preceding governing parties over the past 14 years. Know, I hate the Liberal party but are they not the ones that dragged us into the Kyoto Accord?

Pine Beetles have been a threat longer than the Liberals have been in power so it is pretty difficult to link them. That is not to say we don't need to make environmental changes, it just demonstrated the low life fear mongering he has resorted to to build support.

I thought he seemed like a really bad televangelist but then, it is Sunday!

Hedley · Post by **Hedley** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:09 am

Jack Layton is a mental furball. Don't pay him any attention.

Yes, it's true the NDP gets votes, but according to a poll I read, 1 in 6 (that's 16%) of Canadians plan to retire on their lottery winnings

That's pretty dumb, and I figure NDP voters probably come from this group.

One man, one vote really doesn't have a lot going for it. This always gets the lefties going but ... I think people should earn their vote.

Voting is all about choosing a government, and government are all about spending your money.

Someone that doesn't pay any taxes probably doesn't care how the government spends the taxpayers' money.

So, why not give a vote based on income tax paid the previous year? Say one vote per $10,000 that you paid on your last year's tax return?

Now, stand back and watch the lefties bleat

Funny how socialists and communists think they should get something for nothing (shrug)

Glen Quagmire · Post by **Glen Quagmire** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:30 am

Hedley wrote:
One man, one vote really doesn't have a lot going for it. This always gets the lefties going but ... I think people should earn their vote.

Someone that doesn't pay any taxes probably doesn't care how the government spends the taxpayers' money.

So, why not give a vote based on income tax paid the previous year? Say one vote per $10,000 that you paid on your last year's tax return?

Now, stand back and watch the lefties bleat

Funny how socialists and communists think they should get something for nothing (shrug)

Clearly you missed the Polysci 101 class. What type of government do you think your brilliant idea would yield? This isn't a rhetorical question, I would like to know what you think a government based on this tax bracket voting system would look like and why it would help Canadians.

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:37 am

Hedley, you kill me. If someone doesn't agree with you, they're a leftie!?!

What about all the students going to university? They get money back! Do they get negative votes? What about people busting their ass on the ramp for min wage? They don't pay $10 000, do they not get to vote? What about the stay-at-home mom that works for your precious Conservative party on a volunteer basis, she pays no taxes, does she not get to vote?

What if I make a million a year, but because all my property tax is deductable and I have 3 kids and my accountant is clever, I only pay $9 000 per year? I don't get to vote in your payer-takes-all world?

I think you need to develop your system somewhat.

Wilbur · Post by **Wilbur** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:44 am

The NDP is the party of extremes. On one side, constant negativity and victim thinking. Everything is always wrong, and everything wrong is always someone else's fault. On the other extreme, they float crazy, fanciful ideas of a utopian society where an NDP governement will be all things to all people. Those who want to work will, those who don't won't have to, but all will live well.

Do they actually have policies and plans? I couldn't find any on their website.

They like to describe how they think things should be, "an Afghanistan mission that balances humanitarian and peacekeeping functions" for example, but never provide any details about how they could make it happen or how it would function.

This kind of nebulous thinking attracts the votes of naive young people, and stupid older people. But anyone with any real life experience and brains recoginizes it for what it is and casts their vote with a party that has concrete plans for getting things done. In this country, that means only the Conservative and Liberal parties.

The only useful function the NDP fulfills in this country, and ever will, is to provide some balance to the equally simple minded right wing radicals that have a chance of gaining some influence on the coat tails of moderate conservatives.

The NDP in BC left the economy and functioning of the bureaucracy (delivery of government programs) in a complete shambles after two terms in government. It's terrifying to think of the damage that Layton and his idiots would do nationally.

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:46 am

You're forgetting the Green Party!

Hedley · Post by **Hedley** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:02 am

It's pretty funny ... only in such a backwater, socialist country as Canada would you be pilloried for suggesting that people earn what they have

And gosh, it sure would be terrible if the government treated the taxpayer's money with something other than contempt, hm?

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:14 pm

It's pretty funny... only in such a free country could people who argue for freedom and equality propose taking away rights of citizens, just cause they don't have a lot of money. Everyone equal under the law, except if you're not like me. No money? Go F___ yourself, eh Hedley? I really don't understand how your plan makes sense. Just cause I don't make the big bucks doesn't mean I don't count. We used to have an electoral system like that, you had to have land, atleast so much money. Ofcourse that was back in the 1800s. Next you'll be saying that women shouldn't vote!

As to your second point, freakin' right! We're in total agreement.

Hedley · Post by **Hedley** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:20 pm

Feel free to think that your vote should come for free, because you never earned it, other than by virtue of managing to stay alive for 18 consecutive years

Why shouldn't a vote be free? Why shouldn't homes and cars and all possessions be "free", too? We are all good communists in Canada, no?

Most people think their "free" vote is worth what they paid for it, and don't bother to vote. You probably think that's a great system. I think it sucks.

I think a vote is worth something. You should have to earn it.

Ever heard of "taxation without representation"? Probably not, huh?

Wilbur · Post by **Wilbur** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:49 pm

The Green party is even less coherent than the NDP.

Dex · Post by **Dex** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 1:16 pm

I knew you were a little heavy on the right wing Hedley, but I didn't figure you to be a fascist. Your provocative ideals are what many citizens of this country died fighting against. Lets hope you were just trolling for attention.

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:26 pm

If they don't bother to vote, then why bother worrying about them? They won't oppose your vote.

How is wealth a reasonable measure of whether you've 'earned' your vote?

This really is bordering on Oligarchy/Facisim.

(and we know what happened to France)

Dust Devil · Post by **Dust Devil** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:43 pm

I think the other way. I think there should be a fine for not voting. These people who spew shit like I have the right not to vote should go live in afganistan.

x-wind · Post by **x-wind** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:57 pm

Hedley, what the Heck?

Freedom isn't free right? So what the hey are we on a mission to free people people for? They aren’t paying us, well there’s going to be a pretty sweet pipeline going through that might be ok, but still......Oh right, they have bad guys their that are going to take away are freedom or at least make us fight on our own land right?

And our neighbor has troops in Iraq trying to give those "foreigners" freedom to vote. That’s ridiculous right? There probably all poor over there and heck I bet the lot of them don't even have houses now. We, oh.... I mean they better just put who they want in power again right? I'm sure they learnded a lesson with Saddam and will be more careful this time.

Oh and about all this nonsense with the NDP. I don't see why we don't put some sort of restriction on who can be a party leader that we can vote for.....maybe something like- your supper duper rich or better yet your dad was a Prime Minister (except for that Trudeau Kid cause I hear he is gay and likes Castro). Just my two cents ($.016 Hedley)

x-wind · Post by **x-wind** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:03 pm

[quote]The only useful function the NDP fulfills in this country, and ever will, is to provide some balance to the equally simple minded right wing radicals that have a chance of gaining some influence on the coat tails of moderate conservatives.
[/quote]

But [quote]Jack Layton is a mental furball. Don't pay him any attention. [/quote]

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:58 pm

I have no problem with people not voting. If they aren't voting, they probably aren't knowledgeable enough to make an informed choice. I think there should be a test of your knowledge at the polling station to prove that you're not just an idiot voting for "X" because your daddy always voted "X".

That's how my Grandmother votes and it pisses me off to no end, not because of the party she chooses, but why and how she chooses it. People not voting will never affect you life as much as those who do!

(Though the lack of interest in politics is a problem in itself)

Back on topic;

Turkeys like Layton don't help the public's lack of intrest in participating in political discourse.

North Shore · Post by **North Shore** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:03 pm

I think there should be a fine for not voting.

Quick, someone hit me - I'm agreeing with Dust Devil!!

I worked at a polling booth a few elections back, and it used to pi$$ me off no end to see Seniors in their 80's and 90's shuffling into the poll on their walkers to vote, while their 20/30/40/50-something children couldn't be bothered

Dust Devil · Post by **Dust Devil** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:46 pm

North Shore wrote:
I think there should be a fine for not voting.
Quick, someone hit me - I'm agreeing with Dust Devil!!

I worked at a polling booth a few elections back, and it used to pi$$ me off no end to see Seniors in their 80's and 90's shuffling into the poll on their walkers to vote, while their 20/30/40/50-something children couldn't be bothered

I'm not really as bad a guy as some people think

Walker · Post by **Walker** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:15 pm

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Its the Chamberlaytonator!

. ._ · Post by **. ._** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:39 pm

Normally, I'm a Layton fan, but I think the NDP are pretty off on their Afghanistan views.

Poor Jack. I was thinking about voting NDP till this happened.

Looks like I'll have to vote for the old standard.

-istp

Hedley · Post by **Hedley** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:24 am

Only in Canada is fascism defined as having to earn something of value ... instead of being given everything, as in a good communist society!

Unless of course, you lefties think a vote is worthless, so they ought to pass them out in breakfast cereal boxes.

Which is it, lefties?